Sabbath

[Hizikyah]

"You Christians"? You do not consider yourself to be a Christian?

The Law was given to Israel for a specific time period - till Christ. When Christ came, we are not under the Law anymore.
Thats why a day observation does not matter anymore, clean/unclean animals do not matter anymore etc.

Yes, Christ is my God. And yours?

Yahshua/Jesus own words;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."[/FONT]

Seems this Jesus that says the Law is done away is not found in Scripture.

 

[trofimus]

Yahshua/Jesus own words;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."[/FONT]

Seems this Jesus that says the Law is done away is not found in Scripture.

Try to look at Letters too.

 

[mailmandan]

Maybe you could learn to read more then one book of the bible.

Paul and James do not contradict each other. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-26).

Keep in mind that James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3)

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

In James 2:14, we read of one who *says-claims* he has faith but has no works (to back up his claim). Where is the evidence? Genuine faith is evidenced by works. So that is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" He is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

*So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not the works; rather, life in faith is the source of the works. Works salvationists have this backwards and put the cart before the horse.

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

In James 2:22, faith made perfect by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It does not mean that Abraham was finally saved/accounted as righteous based on the merit of his work of offering up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." Again, James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3). Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

In Matthew 12:37, we read - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." This is because our words (and our works) reveal the condition of our hearts. Words/works will appear to be evidences for, or against a man's being in a state of righteousness.

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, "acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV reads, "they declared God just.." This is the sense in which God was justified, "shown to be righteous".

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

*It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-26). *Perfect Harmony.*

But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day:
the night cometh, when no man can work.

What Jesus said here had nothing to do with man being saved based on his works and the work done here by Jesus was accomplished on the Sabbath.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahshua/Jesus own words;

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unlessheaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Seems this Jesus that says the Law is done away is not found in Scripture.

Try to look at Letters too.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
the dragon was enraged with who?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]

 

[trofimus]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
the dragon was enraged with who?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]

Try to look at Letters, too.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahshua/Jesus own words;

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unlessheaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Seems this Jesus that says the Law is done away is not found in Scripture.

Try to look at Letters too.

the dragon was enraged with who?

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Try to look at Letters, too.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Trofi.

"You Christians"? You do not consider yourself to be a Christian?

I believe in Jesus Christ, but I believe in keeping God's word too.

I don't keep excuses to not keep it.
I don't keep only a few verses from St Paul, and few half sayings of Jesus, and preach that God's word doesn't matter, or is a curse if you try keep it.

Because Christians say all these things, and condemn me for saying we need to keep the law like Jesus said,
it is hard to think of myself as a Christian.

God circumcised my heart, so that I can keep His law.

The Law was given to Israel for a specific time period - till Christ. When Christ came, we are not under the Law anymore.
Thats why a day observation does not matter anymore, clean/unclean animals do not matter anymore etc.

Israel is God's children,
if you ever read your Bible I think you should know that.

And I too am a born again child in Him.

Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not My law.
Proverbs 4:1

Yes, Christ is my God. And yours?

I keep our Lord's commandment, as He commanded.

To the best of my ability of course.
And I know, if I do transgress, He corrects me.
So before you say to me, Bah, you aren't keeping the law,
Jesus tells me differently.

If you kept the law, you would know this to be true.
Your New Testament tells you too.

Thou shalt also consider in thine heart,
that, as a man chastens his son, so the LORD thy God chastens thee.
Deuteronomy 8:5

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten:
be zealous therefore, and repent.
Revelation 3:19

Bless Jesus
Paul

 

[trofimus]

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

"21But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith.
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."
NIV, Romans 3

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Because the Law testifies about what was about to come - Christ and faith, we are actually approving the Law when living in a freedom and by a Christian faith.

This section is not about us being under the Law and being required to obey Sabbath, clean/unclean animals, Jewish holidays etc.

 

[trofimus]

Thank you, Trofi.

I believe in Jesus Christ, but I believe in keeping God's word too.

I don't keep excuses to not keep it.

Ok, so keep this:

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."
(Acts 15:28-29)

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
(Col 2:16-17)

"You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you."
(Gal 4:10-11)

"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
(Rom 14:5)

 

[Grandpa]

free from bondage to sin... not still in sin and saying its not.... and not free from righteousness...

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 9:30-33
[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Its ok. This will not affect your philosophy. Because you will not understand it.

2 Corinthians 3:14-16
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[FONT=&quot]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.[/FONT]

 

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Grandpa

Romans 9:30-33
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Thank you, Grandpa.
You didn't have a bullock so you offer me a cake.
But you already forgot that I see St Paul as a teacher of the law.

I believe the stumbling block applies to them who are too ashamed to teach the law.
Having never kept it, they bleat their excuses why they do not keep it.
And that becomes their preach for God.

Teach even the least commandments
Paul

Well I'm shocked that you don't understand scripture.

Not really.

 

[Studyman]

Ok, so keep this:

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."
(Acts 15:28-29)

So Peter kept the New Converts away from the "Sect of the Pharisees which believed" teaching. They called their teaching "Circumcision" and "the Law of Moses", but after disputing with them, Peter decided to command the New Convert to immediately 2 Food Laws, and 2 Moral laws, then sent them to the Scribes on God's Holy Sabbath to learn from Moses.

Exactly the same teaching Jesus instructed the Apostles to do in Matt. 23. The burden the fathers couldn't bear was not God's Sabbaths, it was their own Doctrines and Traditions of men. At least according to Jesus. Peter knew this and kept the New Converts away for their teaching and directly to Moses.

I know you are just repeating what the Mainstream Church of today teaches. But just like the Mainstream doctrine of Christ's time, it is wrong.

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
(Col 2:16-17)

You also omitted very important parts of Col. 2.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Jesus is Lord of God's Sabbath, it is not a rudiment of the World. Yet you are preaching that it is.

Col. 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?


There are commandments and doctrines of men, and there are commandments of God. The Sabbath of the Bible is a Commandment of God made for man. The Sabbath of modern Christianity is a commandment of man, not of God.

"You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you."
(Gal 4:10-11)

Again, you are ignoring the parts of god's Word that shed light on His meaning.

Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

Are you preaching that when these did not know God, they were keeping His Commandments?

Then after the "knew" God, they rejected his Commandments, Right? But are now:

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

I makes so sense, but is used just the same to promote Mainstream Christian tradition over the Commandments of God.

"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
(Rom 14:5)

Again, you pick a scripture that is specifically written about the "Weak in Faith". You didn't see fit to include this scripture.

What possible difference should it make to me what one person does or another person does. Shouldn't we be fully persuaded in our mind whether we should listen to a man, or to God? And if I am following man's religious traditions over the commandment of God., does that show my Faith in the God of the Bible, or the men who created the Tradition.

You were born into the same religious traditions and doctrines as I was. Are we to trust the very people Jesus warned to "Take Heed" of. Are we not to "test the spirits" and Study to show ourselves approved?

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

There is no doubt you and I have been taught either directly or indirectly by some who fits this warning from Jesus. I write this to you in the hope you will consider, not my words, but the Scriptures. ALL of them.

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe the Sabbath is at the doorstep. It is a day. It is a thousand years. It is forever. Praise Yahweh, amen.

 

[trofimus]

Ok, so keep this:


So Peter kept the New Converts away from the "Sect of the Pharisees which believed" teaching. They called their teaching "Circumcision" and "the Law of Moses", but after disputing with them, Peter decided to command the New Convert to immediately 2 Food Laws, and 2 Moral laws, then sent them to the Scribes on God's Holy Sabbath to learn from Moses.

Exactly the same teaching Jesus instructed the Apostles to do in Matt. 23. The burden the fathers couldn't bear was not God's Sabbaths, it was their own Doctrines and Traditions of men. At least according to Jesus. Peter knew this and kept the New Converts away for their teaching and directly to Moses.

I know you are just repeating what the Mainstream Church of today teaches. But just like the Mainstream doctrine of Christ's time, it is wrong.





You also omitted very important parts of Col. 2.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Jesus is Lord of God's Sabbath, it is not a rudiment of the World. Yet you are preaching that it is.

Col. 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?


There are commandments and doctrines of men, and there are commandments of God. The Sabbath of the Bible is a Commandment of God made for man. The Sabbath of modern Christianity is a commandment of man, not of God.




Again, you are ignoring the parts of god's Word that shed light on His meaning.

Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

Are you preaching that when these did not know God, they were keeping His Commandments?

Then after the "knew" God, they rejected his Commandments, Right? But are now:

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

I makes so sense, but is used just the same to promote Mainstream Christian tradition over the Commandments of God.






Again, you pick a scripture that is specifically written about the "Weak in Faith". You didn't see fit to include this scripture.

What possible difference should it make to me what one person does or another person does. Shouldn't we be fully persuaded in our mind whether we should listen to a man, or to God? And if I am following man's religious traditions over the commandment of God., does that show my Faith in the God of the Bible, or the men who created the Tradition.

You were born into the same religious traditions and doctrines as I was. Are we to trust the very people Jesus warned to "Take Heed" of. Are we not to "test the spirits" and Study to show ourselves approved?

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

There is no doubt you and I have been taught either directly or indirectly by some who fits this warning from Jesus. I write this to you in the hope you will consider, not my words, but the Scriptures. ALL of them.

Too long post.

Just regarding being born into some kind of a bad tradition:

"Furthermore he says to them, 'Your new moons and the sabbaths I cannot away with.'
Do you see what he means? The present sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but that which I have made, in which I will give rest to all things and make the beginning of an eighth day, that is the beginning of another world.
Wherefore we also celebrate with gladness the eighth day in which Jesus also rose from the dead, and was made manifest, and ascended into Heaven."

Barnabas 15:8-9
- written between 80-120 AD

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"If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death..."

Ignatios to Magnesians 9:1
- written between 105-115 AD

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"But as to their scrupulosity concerning meats, and their superstition as respects the Sabbaths, and their boasting about circumcision, and their fancies about fasting and the new moons, which are utterly ridiculous and unworthy of notice...
And as to their observing months and days, as if waiting upon the stars and the moon, and their distributing, according to their own tendencies, the appointments of God, and the vicissitudes of the seasons, some for festivities, and others for mourning,--who would deem this a part of divine worship, and not much rather a manifestation of folly? I suppose, then, you are sufficiently convinced that the Christians properly abstain from the vanity and common error and from the busy-body spirit and vain boasting of the Jews."

Diognetus 4:1
- written between 130-200 AD

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Now I hope that this "being born into church tradition" idea is proven wrong.

 

[Snoozy]

trofimus those guys who u quoted are weird. they are calling things God they believe in (?) setup as "folly"? even if we arent under the law they were still setup by God. we should respect it.
this is why the church went the way of replacement theology. the more time went on, the more hostile they came.

 

[trofimus]

trofimus those guys who u quoted are weird. they are calling things God they believe in (?) setup as "folly"? even if we arent under the law they were still setup by God. we should respect it.
this is why the church went the way of replacement theology. the more time went on, the more hostile they came.

When something is observed while it has been abolished, its folly, vanity and error. What else should it be?

 

[shadowPal07]

Seems you disagree with scripture 2Tim 3v16.

2 Tim 3:1617
All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable
for doctrine
for reprooffor correction
for instruction
in righteousness:

That the man of GOD may be perfect {means complete}
through furnished unto all good works.

2 Tim 2:15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing
the word of truth.

WE,
on this side of the cross of Christ,
are living under theNEW testament
for which CHRIST shed His blood.
Just some things to ponder....have a blessed day

 

[Studyman]

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Too long post.

Just regarding being born into some kind of a bad tradition:

"Furthermore he says to them, 'Your new moons and the sabbaths I cannot away with.'
Do you see what he means? The present sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but that which I have made, in which I will give rest to all things and make the beginning of an eighth day, that is the beginning of another world.
Wherefore we also celebrate with gladness the eighth day in which Jesus also rose from the dead, and was made manifest, and ascended into Heaven."

Barnabas 15:8-9
- written between 80-120 AD

He is equating "their" Sabbath with God's. Jesus was clear that the Mainstream Preachers of His time were "Transgressing the Commandments of God by their doctrines and traditions". We know they had created their own version of the Sabbath which included not being able to help a brother in need, or take a walk and eat a blackberry. That was their Sabbath, not Gods.

This preacher you trust forgot to include this very important fact. And as is the custom of Mainstream Preachers he only uses the scripture that can be used to support his own doctrines.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

So what is the Doctrines and Traditions of the MANY who come in Christ's Name that make up Mainstream Christianity?

Do they preach to follow God's instruction that Jesus clearly followed, including the Sabbath created by Him and for Him, that He taught was made for man? That we should "Walk even as He walked" . as the Scriptures teach?

Or do the "MANY" which come in His name preach we should reject God's Sabbath, like the Pharisees did, and create their own Sabbath, as the Pharisees did.

Why don't he include the whole message from Isaiah instead of just that part which can be used to support their rejection of God's Sabbaths.

Is. 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.


15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

What is the difference between this scripture and Matt. 7:22?


16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

So are you preaching the Sabbath God/Jesus created for man is evil?

17 Learn to do well;(according to who, God or man) seek judgment,(Whose', God or man?) relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Willing and obedient to what? The Commandments of God, or the traditions and doctrines of man?
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Refuse and rebel against what? God's Word, or the traditions and doctrines of man?

Ez. 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

As opposed to the god's of the land which have Venerable Day of the Sun, and Venus and her laying of eggs, and the Winter Solstice celebrated by pagans in ancient days.


13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

The Preachers words you posted didn't use these scripture, why, aren't they relevant?

Ez. 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.


24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my Sabbaths.

So the preachers you posted. Does it look like they were interested in Christ's teaching, or were they part of the "MANY" who Jesus warned us of.

How does one or two sentences of Isaiah, taken out of context, make the rest of the Bible null and void?

I mean to try and make a case that the Old Testament taught the rejection of God's Commandments, including the Sabbath, is a pretty good stretch given what is actually written.

Was Peter born into a religion that Transgressed the Commandments of God by man made traditions? Was Jesus? Were you and I? The truth shall set you free.

 

[Hizikyah]

2 Tim 3:1617
All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable
for doctrine
for reprooffor correction
for instruction
in righteousness:

That the man of GOD may be perfect {means complete}
through furnished unto all good works.

2 Tim 2:15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing
the word of truth.

WE,
on this side of the cross of Christ,
are living under theNEW testament
for which CHRIST shed His blood.
Just some things to ponder....have a blessed day

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

 

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He is equating "their" Sabbath with God's. Jesus was clear that the Mainstream Preachers of His time were "Transgressing the Commandments of God by their doctrines and traditions". We know they had created their own version of the Sabbath which included not being able to help a brother in need, or take a walk and eat a blackberry. That was their Sabbath, not Gods.

This preacher you trust forgot to include this very important fact. And as is the custom of Mainstream Preachers he only uses the scripture that can be used to support his own doctrines.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

So what is the Doctrines and Traditions of the MANY who come in Christ's Name that make up Mainstream Christianity?

Do they preach to follow God's instruction that Jesus clearly followed, including the Sabbath created by Him and for Him, that He taught was made for man? That we should "Walk even as He walked" . as the Scriptures teach?

Or do the "MANY" which come in His name preach we should reject God's Sabbath, like the Pharisees did, and create their own Sabbath, as the Pharisees did.

Why don't he include the whole message from Isaiah instead of just that part which can be used to support their rejection of God's Sabbaths.

Is. 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.


15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

What is the difference between this scripture and Matt. 7:22?


16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

So are you preaching the Sabbath God/Jesus created for man is evil?

17 Learn to do well;(according to who, God or man) seek judgment,(Whose', God or man?) relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Willing and obedient to what? The Commandments of God, or the traditions and doctrines of man?
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Refuse and rebel against what? God's Word, or the traditions and doctrines of man?

Ez. 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

As opposed to the god's of the land which have Venerable Day of the Sun, and Venus and her laying of eggs, and the Winter Solstice celebrated by pagans in ancient days.


13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

The Preachers words you posted didn't use these scripture, why, aren't they relevant?

Ez. 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.


24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my Sabbaths.

So the preachers you posted. Does it look like they were interested in Christ's teaching, or were they part of the "MANY" who Jesus warned us of.

How does one or two sentences of Isaiah, taken out of context, make the rest of the Bible null and void?

I mean to try and make a case that the Old Testament taught the rejection of God's Commandments, including the Sabbath, is a pretty good stretch given what is actually written.

Was Peter born into a religion that Transgressed the Commandments of God by man made traditions? Was Jesus? Were you and I? The truth shall set you free.

I would be glad if you can make simple posts. I do not want to read such tuns of text and then to react on sentence after sentence.

Just pick up one point.