Grace alone or grace plus works?
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If he had constant unwavering hope, he would not have asked for the cup to be removed for a split second he did in the garden. Luke 4 says the devil left him for a more opportune season. I believe that he met Jesus again at the rock of agony in the garden and again while he was on the cross. We also need to understand that Jesus was in touch with everything we are, yet never sinned. This includes fear, hopelessness, etc. to be clear he obeyed but he also suffered. Hebrews 5:7-9 says so.
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I do not see him asking the cup removed had anything to do with hope. It had to do with fear. He knew what was coming, to me, If he had no hope. He would never have given in to his fathers request and suffered the cross.
His hope was all of us. The ones who would be saved because of the extreme pain/shame and he endured, not to mention the fear of being separated from the father for the first time in all eternity.
Thats why we can carry our crosses, and endure our pain, because of the hope we have, if we had no hope. Why suffer at all? I think paul said we are of all people the most pitiful
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Rev. 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Duet. 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Duet 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always.
Duet. 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods,(images of a long haired pretty boy) and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Ye that refuse to Love Me and Keep My Commandments)
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Rev. 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Duet. 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Duet 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always.
Duet. 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods,(images of a long haired pretty boy) and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Ye that refuse to Love Me and Keep My Commandments)
Jesus Christ asked in hope if it were possible that hE NOT NEED TO SUFFER THE AGONY OF THE CROSS WHICH hE ALREADY KNEW WAS hIS MISSION. He thens said, nevertheless, Thy will be done.
This sounds like someone who simply was asking if His mission could be accomplished without the horrible suffering, yet He was perfectly willing to carry out His mission. .
He did ot lose hope, and please do not attempt to pass this on to the weak in faith, for god will take care of them....
This sounds like someone who simply was asking if His mission could be accomplished without the horrible suffering, yet He was perfectly willing to carry out His mission. .
He did ot lose hope, and please do not attempt to pass this on to the weak in faith, for god will take care of them....
Do people think I am as good as is Jesus. If you think NO, good.
I have posted this before, but here it is again
When I lost the vision in one of my eyes, I thanked god and offered Him the vision of theother eye. Now when I offered I did say I realy wold like to keep it, but Your will be done. I was not feeling hopeless, just grateful
As it turned out the vision in the good eye seemed to completely vanish for a time, and it did not take away from faith and hope. I thanked God still for the events. Then the vision came back to the second eye, a mirable since macular degeneration does not reverse itself ever.....
If an unworthy servant such as I kept hope, I believe Jesus was never without hope. Always, nonetheles dear and blessed ¨Father, Thy will be done. Surely Jesus is returning soon, amen.
I have posted this before, but here it is again
When I lost the vision in one of my eyes, I thanked god and offered Him the vision of theother eye. Now when I offered I did say I realy wold like to keep it, but Your will be done. I was not feeling hopeless, just grateful
As it turned out the vision in the good eye seemed to completely vanish for a time, and it did not take away from faith and hope. I thanked God still for the events. Then the vision came back to the second eye, a mirable since macular degeneration does not reverse itself ever.....
If an unworthy servant such as I kept hope, I believe Jesus was never without hope. Always, nonetheles dear and blessed ¨Father, Thy will be done. Surely Jesus is returning soon, amen.
Amen E-g, notice this, instead of trying to prove their mistaken belief, "non-assurance", why not search the scripture to prove what the bible does teach, "assurance of the believer." Many who cannot believe in assurance, do not because the liturgy of their Church does not teach this doctrine. They will ultimately take their last breath not knowing for sure of their eternal destination; "misguided non-assurance."
“I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life."
“I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life."
Amen again E-g, and to think that Jesus endured the suffering of the cross for the whole world is truly, "Amazing Grace", "yes Jesus had hope"
"fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. "For the joy set before him", he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews12:2
"fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. "For the joy set before him", he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews12:2
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Prior to my conversion, I had no assurance of salvation, no certain hope and lived in fear and bondage to insecurity. 
I was a miserable Roman Catholic who trusted in works for salvation. It was not until after I placed my faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ ALONE for salvation that I received assurance of salvation, certain hope and now no longer live in fear and bondage to insecurity.
I was a miserable Roman Catholic who trusted in works for salvation. It was not until after I placed my faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ ALONE for salvation that I received assurance of salvation, certain hope and now no longer live in fear and bondage to insecurity.
Prior to my conversion, I had no assurance of salvation, no certain hope and lived in fear and bondage to insecurity. I was a miserable Roman Catholic who trusted in works for salvation. It was not until after I placed my faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ ALONE for salvation that I received assurance of salvation, certain hope and now no longer live in fear and bondage to insecurity.
I was a miserable Roman Catholic who trusted in works for salvation. It was not until after I placed my faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ ALONE for salvation that I received assurance of salvation, certain hope and now no longer live in fear and bondage to insecurity.