why would millennial kingdom not be literal?

[Bladerunner]

I seem to have skipped your first question in my previous answer.

Besides Jesus' resurrection, I believe there are two:

1) The rapture

2) The White Throne judgement.

The 1st resurrection extends into Daniel's 70th week.. This includes: the resurrection of Jesus Christ (firstfruits), The resurrection of 144,000 Children (also firstfruits), The Resurrection of those who have died in Christ and the Rapture of the Church, the resurrection of three different bands of "tribulation" (daniel's 70th week) Saints.

The second resurrection as you say: is the Great White Throne Judgement.

 

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I am not questioning the Lord having power in heaven and on the earth. This, however, does not mean He is currently ruling on the earth.

Well, if He has all power in heaven and earth, I guess that means that He has all power.

Jn 19:11, "Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above:"

Satan has no power, except what is given to him by God, allowed by God.

One only needs to look at the world to see that the Lords government is not running things.

The kingdom is on earth right now, since Pentecost.

When Jesus comes to take possession of the kingdom, after that, the planet ends in fire, and eternity begins.

 

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The 1st resurrection extends into Daniel's 70th week.. This includes: the resurrection of Jesus Christ (firstfruits), The resurrection of 144,000 Children (also firstfruits), The Resurrection of those who have died in Christ and the Rapture of the Church, the resurrection of three different bands of "tribulation" (daniel's 70th week) Saints.

The second resurrection as you say: is the Great White Throne Judgement.

#1 Jesus

#2 144000

#3 rapt/resur

(3 different bands of trib saints)

#4 trib band 1

#5 trib band 2

#6 trib band 3

#7 Grt Wht Throne

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7 resurrections, But 1 Cor 15:23-28 says only 2.

 

[Bladerunner]

#1 Jesus

#2 144000

#3 rapt/resur

(3 different bands of trib saints)

#4 trib band 1

#5 trib band 2

#6 trib band 3

#7 Grt Wht Throne

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7 resurrections, But 1 Cor 15:23-28 says only 2.

There are only two,,,you did not read my post :"The 1st resurrection extends into Daniel's 70th week.. This includes: "

 

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The 1st resurrection extends into Daniel's 70th week.. This includes: the resurrection of Jesus Christ (firstfruits), The resurrection of 144,000 Children (also firstfruits), The Resurrection of those who have died in Christ and the Rapture of the Church, the resurrection of three different bands of "tribulation" (daniel's 70th week) Saints.

The second resurrection as you say: is the Great White Throne Judgement.

Brother Bladerunner,

This is the difference between looking at the Rev as one time line or having several time lines telling the same story.

That would be the story of Israel to the end of this planet.

If you you look at the Rev as one time line, yes, you get more than 2 resurrections. (7?)

But if you look at it as telling the same story (Israel), several times, in a different way,

Then the resurrections may be identified as the 1st (Jesus), or the 2nd for salvation (at his coming).

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Take the 7th trumpet for example.

What happens at the 7th trumpet, that would identify the resurrection associated with it?

Well, Jesus clearly takes possession of the kingdom Rev 11:15.

And we usually associate that, with the 2nd resurrection/rapt of salvation Heb 9:28,

There is a resurrection shown, the 2 witnesses.

So if we had to pick, between the resurrection of Jesus, and the one that is for "those who are his at his coming" (1 Cor 15:23-24),

I would say the 2nd one , "those who are His".

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But then this creates a dilemma, for those who teach that the Rev is one complete time line.

Because it creates too many resurrections.

They say the door at Rev 4:1-2, is one resurrection.

Then the trib saints at the alter, then the 144000, etc.

By the time that you get to the 7th trumpet, you already say that you have at least 3 ahead of it.

(And more following the 7th trumpet one)
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The answer of saying, "The first resurrection is actually 5 resurrections", cannot be confirmed in scripture, as in relating directly to the number of resurrections.

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[Bladerunner]

Brother Bladerunner,

This is the difference between looking at the Rev as one time line or having several time lines telling the same story.

That would be the story of Israel to the end of this planet.

If you you look at the Rev as one time line, yes, you get more than 2 resurrections. (7?)

But if you look at it as telling the same story (Israel), several times, in a different way,

Then the resurrections may be identified as the 1st (Jesus), or the 2nd for salvation (at his coming).

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Take the 7th trumpet for example.

What happens at the 7th trumpet, that would identify the resurrection associated with it?

Well, Jesus clearly takes possession of the kingdom Rev 11:15.

And we usually associate that, with the 2nd resurrection/rapt of salvation Heb 9:28,

There is a resurrection shown, the 2 witnesses.

So if we had to pick, between the resurrection of Jesus, and the one that is for "those who are his at his coming" (1 Cor 15:23-24),

I would say the 2nd one , "those who are His".

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But then this creates a dilemma, for those who teach that the Rev is one complete time line.

Because it creates too many resurrections.

They say the door at Rev 4:1-2, is one resurrection.

Then the trib saints at the alter, then the 144000, etc.

By the time that you get to the 7th trumpet, you already say that you have at least 3 ahead of it.

(And more following the 7th trumpet one)
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The answer of saying, "The first resurrection is actually 5 resurrections", cannot be confirmed in scripture, as in relating directly to the number of resurrections.

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Now you are just trying to be cute and use circle reasoning to confuse the situation..... Have a Blessed day.

Blade

 

[louis]

Well, if He has all power in heaven and earth, I guess that means that He has all power.

Jn 19:11, "Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above:"

Satan has no power, except what is given to him by God, allowed by God.

You are correct. The scriptures I posted where the devil tempts the Lord by offering all the earths kingdoms to Him at their height in glory state that they were given to the devil to give to whomever he chooses (Luke 4:5-6).
Man in the garden chose this world through Satan which we now live in.



Luke 4:5 [FONT=&quot]And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.[/FONT]
6 [FONT=&quot]And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.[/FONT]

 

[garee]

I have a question for you: How does Satan offer the Lord all the kingdoms of the world, if the devil is not reigning on earth (Luke 4:5-6; Matthew 4:8-9)?

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Jesus as the Son of man born in corrupted flesh, was like us by which he could be tempted and carried away according to the imagination of his heart. In Mathew 4 The father of lies brought in a false revelation to His mind that tried to deceive the fleshly mind of Jesus as the Son of man . He saw all the kingdoms of the world as the father of lies gave him a vision from the imagination of His heart , being strengthened by the father the Son replied again and again it is written and he fled.

If its possible for Christ as the Son of man to be tempted in that way why not us. I would beware of what some call out of the body experiences.

The father of lies is not bound from bringing new signs as lying wonders which if believed they will receive the promise of God a strong delusion to keep on keeping the lie.

I think the verse below could apply .the Son of man refused to believe His mind holding fast to as it is written . Experiencing something is not the validation of spiritual truth .

Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

[garee]

What will Jesus look like during the mill?

Will He be in His glory, like when Moses saw Him?

Or will He look like a regular dude?

Will we see His face during that time?

God is not a man as a us , As eternal Spirit he has no from and therefore no face .His face represents his unseen glory . It will not be shown as long as we live in theses bodies of death. Before the fall it was glory glory glory as it will when the new heavens and earth appear.

There are two resurrections . The one in which we are still in (to be absent from the body is to be present in the new heavenly Jerusalem) occurred when he said it was finished .At the at time all the old testament saints saints graves were open and they entered in .The last will occur on the last day . Judgement day for the unbeliever, a new body for the saints that were here reigning with Christ just as to day.Both those here and those asleep in the twinkling of the eye. The former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind. It will be just like nothing ever happened before. A new creation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What will Jesus look like during the mill?

Will He be in His glory, like when Moses saw Him?

Or will He look like a regular dude?

Will we see His face during that time?

why would he look any different than he did post resurrection when he walked the earth and all these people walked and even after with him?

 

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why would he look any different than he did post resurrection when he walked the earth and all these people walked and even after with him?

Brother EG,

Matt 25:31, Matt 16:27, Lk 9:26

You do believe that Jesus is sitting on the throne, the throne of God, the eternal throne right now don't you?

1 Jn 3:2

Ex 33:20

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Brother EG,

Matt 25:31, Matt 16:27, Lk 9:26

You do believe that Jesus is sitting on the throne, the throne of God, the eternal throne right now don't you?

1 Jn 3:2

Ex 33:20

Not sure what that has to do with what jesus looks like.. or will look like when he returns to earth.

 

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Not sure what that has to do with what jesus looks like.. or will look like when he returns to earth.

The Matt and Lk verses tell us that when He returns, that He will be in His glory.

The 1 Jn verse says that we shall see Him as He is.

The Ex verse says that no one can see His face and live.

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So when He comes no one will be left alive in the material world.

We will be like Him. yes?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Matt and Lk verses tell us that when He returns, that He will be in His glory.

The 1 Jn verse says that we shall see Him as He is.

The Ex verse says that no one can see His face and live.

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So when He comes no one will be left alive in the material world.

We will be like Him. yes?

1 John 3: 2 says when he reveals himself to us (saved people) it is not talking about when he returns. So ex 33: 20 is not applicable to when he returns

In acts 1 we are told when he returns, he will return in the same manner. Including his appearance.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Matt and Lk verses tell us that when He returns, that He will be in His glory.

The 1 Jn verse says that we shall see Him as He is.

The Ex verse says that no one can see His face and live.

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So when He comes no one will be left alive in the material world.

We will be like Him. yes?

Matt 25 talks about the final judgment.

Matt 16 does not say he will come in a glory where everyone will die if they looked at him. Nor does Luke 6, In fact in Luke 6 jesus is transformed, Yet non of the disciples who saw him died. So theyt saw him in his glory. I also believe when Jesus ressurected, he ressurected in his glory.

We still have acts 1. When jesus returns he will return int he same fashion,

 

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Matt 25 talks about the final judgment.

Matt 16 does not say he will come in a glory where everyone will die if they looked at him. Nor does Luke 6, In fact in Luke 6 jesus is transformed, Yet non of the disciples who saw him died. So theyt saw him in his glory. I also believe when Jesus ressurected, he ressurected in his glory.

We still have acts 1. When jesus returns he will return int he same fashion,

Brother EG,

What about 1 Jn 3:2?

Thanks.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Brother EG,

What about 1 Jn 3:2?

Thanks.

I already answered this

1 John 3: 2 says when he reveals himself to us (saved people) it is not talking about when he returns. So ex 33: 20 is not applicable to when he returns

In acts 1 we are told when he returns, he will return in the same manner. Including his appearance.

 

[valiant]

I already answered this;

1 John 3: 2 says when he reveals himself to us (saved people) it is not talking about when he returns. So ex 33: 20 is not applicable to when he returns

In acts 1 we are told when he returns, he will return in the same manner. Including his appearance.;

1Jn 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. And
every one that hath this hope set on him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

This is the second coming as it applies to His people. We shall see Christ in His glory, and we shall be made like Him. Then He will appear to all in His glory.

The fact that He shall appear in the same manner as 'we' saw Him go applies to His literal return not how He returs.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1Jn 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. And
every one that hath this hope set on him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

This is the second coming as it applies to His people.

That does not mean it is the second coming and the set up of his kingdom. Where every eye shall see him, Where he destroys all who appose him (the birds shall eat the flesh for a year) and those who recieve him and endured to the end are saved and enter the kingdom (matt 24)

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

1Jn 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. And
every one that hath this hope set on him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

This is the second coming as it applies to His people. We shall see Christ in His glory, and we shall be made like Him. Then He will appear to all in His glory.

The fact that He shall appear in the same manner as 'we' saw Him go applies to His literal return not how He returns.

That does not mean it is the second coming and the set up of his kingdom. Where every eye shall see him, Where he destroys all who appose him (the birds shall eat the flesh for a year) and those who recieve him and endured to the end are saved and enter the kingdom (matt 24)

LOL you would have Him return many times