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blue_ladybug · Dec 5, 2017

Just the sound of it scares me..lol.. And mine is hereditary, my entire family has bad backs, all around bad bones in general.. Mine has gotten alot better in recent months, due to a few rounds of physical therapy, and exercises that I do at home..

Now if only I could rid myself of the aches and pains that comes with being 47,000 years old..

Crustyone said:

To Truth, Stones and Blue, as I have posted elsewhere, spinal decompression helps with disc problems. The big machines work, but we are charged about $250.00 per session and at least 10 sessions are suggested for relief and real bad problems require 30 sessions. When I went for mine the machines pulled me apart at 112 lbs pressure and increased 2 lbs every session to end at 130 lbs of traction. I have since found that I can gain relief by lying on my back, jacking my legs up, putting my hands on the top of my thighs down by the crease between body and thighs and pushing my legs away from my shoulders, hard. I increase the pressure slowly for one minute and then release it so as not to cause a radical release. Sometimes I will get a clunk when the spine aligns and other times it just creates more space between the vertebrae to relieve the pressure of the disc gel pushing against the spinal cord. If you decide to do it and are able to do it(arthritis), I hope it helps. Also, if you have weak bones I certainly would not recommend it.

My back is basically fine, now. I just lost control of some muscles and had some bad aches because of the gel pushing against my spinal cord and the spinal decompression took care of it for me.

Hope you don't mind me going off topic.

Beez · Dec 5, 2017

^^^ You're much older than I realized!!^^^

stonesoffire · Dec 5, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

47,000 yrs old, 'ey....so I can write you down as an old earther.

But, that's another topic....EG, did you see this? Lol

beastslayer1970 · Dec 5, 2017

Endoscopy said:

Romans 5 says that Adam was not under the law

Romans 5:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— [SUP]13 [/SUP]for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Moses did not bring down the 10 God gave them to the people orally.

Exodus 20:1-17

Then God spoke all these words, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, [SUP]6 [/SUP]but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“You shall not murder.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“You shall not commit adultery.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“You shall not steal.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

I think you are sitting under someone who is giving you communicated Bible Knowledge and you never have cracked the Bible open and learned anything for yourself.

beastslayer1970 · Dec 5, 2017

Magenta said:

It is people who call themselves "Christian" who put themselves under the law. Sometimes they are called Judaizers, or Hebrew roots movement etc, and they are often Sabbatizers, claiming everyone but those who worship like them is breaking the law, for they reject Jesus as their Sabbath rest, embracing the shadow rather than the substance. As to Gentiles (non-believers) and the law, since they are not covered by grace through faith in the righteous shed blood of the spotless Lamb of God, they will be condemned by the law at the resurrection and judgment of all.

Thanks, that is what I thought you were saying.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 5, 2017

stonesoffire said:

Nope just caught it, another heretic

lololol!!!

stonesoffire · Dec 5, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

She speaketh truth!

Look at the rings of gigantic trees. *dont really know if this is a valid point*

eternally-gratefull · Dec 5, 2017

stonesoffire said:

we will all find out one day, And laugh with each other in love

Seohce · Dec 5, 2017

Mark 7:6-23 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you HYPOCRITES; as it is written: “‘THESE PEOPLE HONOR ME WITH THEIR LIPS, but THEIR HEARTS ARE FAR FROM ME. They worship me IN VAIN, THEIR TEACHINGS ARE JUST RULES TAUGHT BY MEN’ YOU HAVE LET GO OF THE COMMANDS OF GOD and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them, YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. AND YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.” Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a man can make him ‘unclean’ by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him ‘unclean.’”
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.”
After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him ‘unclean’? For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.”) He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’ For from within, OUT OF MEN’S HEARTS, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man ‘unclean.’”

Endoscopy · Dec 5, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

I know how you feel. I'm 74 and have one titanium knee and the other one needs to be titanium as well. I was told by some people that I should have both done at once or I wouldn't get the other one done. The surgeon refused to do both. My bad knee will have to get extremely painful before I subject myself to the extreme pain after the surgery. I was given physical therapy for several months. I took codeine for 2 months after the surgery and at first it only took the edge off of the pain. The therapy was torture After 2 months I started getting a buzz from the medication so I switched to non narcotic pain killer. All in all I had decreasing levels of pain for over 6 months. .

I will only go through that if unavoidable. I use a staff to support my bad knee. The pain is easily taken care of by over the counter drugs. I get aches and pains all over my body these days. I am slowly losing mobility and had to stop driving. God has been providing me with the ability to ignore my physical problems and maintain a positive happy attitude. The Footprints in the Sand strikes home for me. Looking back I see times of severe emotional pain it seems like he carried me through it. As a child I came to Christ and without that I wouldn't have been able to carry on.

Thank you God!!!

Ellsworth1943 · Dec 5, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

Just the sound of it scares me..lol.. And mine is hereditary, my entire family has bad backs, all around bad bones in general.. Mine has gotten alot better in recent months, due to a few rounds of physical therapy, and exercises that I do at home..

Now if only I could rid myself of the aches and pains that comes with being 47,000 years old..

You KIDS just exaggerate everything!

AbigailZeke · Dec 6, 2017

Just passing by!

Oh oh and I got something to share.

I'm listening to this series called "The Major Covenants of the Bible"

There's the Edenic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic and dun dun dun the NEW covenant.

Here's a thought.. which, hmm, I should probably create as another thread. Okay, will open a new thread instead. It's about what the new covenant really is.

dcontroversal · Dec 6, 2017

preacher4truth said:

Amen.....that which is designed to prove guilt will never make righteous before God.....<---what they fail to understand......

dcontroversal · Dec 6, 2017

Beez said:

So some here think that believers are "under the Law"?
And some believe that obedience to the Law brings righteousness?

[SUP]"[/SUP]For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace" Rom 6:14.

"Know that one is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" Gal 2:16.

And I know, of course, that there are many Scriptures that, at first glance, appear to prove the opposite of those above, but when the Bible appears to contradict itself, the problem is with the readers' understanding, not with the Bible.

Of course, many of us do what we can to obey the Law (not the law), but I think those who do don't do that thinking it will save them -- right?

Amen.....the law proves guilt....end of story...no man can keep every jot ot tittle 24/7/365......break the least commandment 1 (one) time = guilty......

Hizikyah · Dec 6, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:169-174, “My cry comes before You, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; Make me understand according to Your word. Let my prayer come before You; Deliver me according to Your word. My lips pour forth praise, For You teach me Your Laws. My tongue sings of Your word, For all Your commands are righteousness. Your hand is a help to me, For I have chosen Your orders. I have longed for Your deliverance, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], And Your Torah is my delight.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

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dcontroversal · Dec 6, 2017

Magenta said:

Endoscopy keeps saying Jesus said the law is eternal, but that is not what Jesus said. He said, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." As we should know, Jesus has fulfilled the law. Heaven and earth are still here, but they will not always be as they are, for they are to be destroyed and a new heavens and earth created.

Not to mention the words.....IT IS FINISHED.......

AbigailZeke · Dec 6, 2017

Okay I'm done wrecking havoc in BDF for today. Bahahaha. Now I must go back to studying.

Bogadile · Dec 6, 2017

Dropping by to say I have been praying for you VCO!

and
Happy birthday Finland, 100 years of independence today!

Going to watch a movie about the winter war as I always do this time of the year. Service is mandatory here for everyone even today so it goes with the territory.

God bless you all and keep contending for the faith once delivered to the saints!

[video=youtube;_kLC0bXNE5I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kLC0bXNE5I[/video]

Endoscopy · Dec 6, 2017

AbigailZeke said:

Careful about covenant theology. Going to the extremes it implies God changes His mind. It is a useful tool to look at how God dealt with people in the Bible making agreements with them if they follow His desires for them.

Hizikyah · Dec 6, 2017

Magenta said:

dcontroversal said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 2:1-12, "2:1, "Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate emptiness? The sovereigns of the earth take their stand, And the rulers take counsel together, Against [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and against His Messiah, and say, Let us tear apart Their bonds, And throw away Their ropes from us.”"2:4, " He who is sitting in the heavens laughs, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]mocks at them. Then He speaks to them in His wrath, And troubles them in His rage, saying,"2:6, "“ But I, I have set My Sovereign on Tsiyon, My set-apart mountain. I inscribe for a law: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have brought You forth. Ask of Me, and I make the nations Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth Your possession. Break them with a rod of iron, Dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel. And now, be wise, O sovereigns; Be instructed, you rulers of the earth. Serve [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He be enraged, And you perish in the way, For soon His wrath is to be kindled. Blessed are all those taking refuge in Him.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniel 7:21-22, “I was looking, and this horn was fighting against the set-apart ones, and was prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came, and right-ruling was given to the set-apart ones of the Most High, and the time came and the set-apart ones took possession of the reign.”

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 48:35, “All around: eighteen thousand cubits. And the name of the city from that day is: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is there!”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

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