Hello friends,
It appears we have a dozen Scripturally-grounded reasons which jointly confirm that animal sacrifices will (in the future) be resumed in conjunction with the full restoration of Priestly/Levitical duties. And, we will participate in these activities as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between God and Israel. Most of us Christians are unaware of our future destiny in Israel; I hope this thread begins (in at least some small way) the process of correcting this unfortunate circumstance.
1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.
1a Any prophecy that deals with the bruise to satan's head is unfulfilled.
1b The question is not about an altar or the sacrifice. The question is about what sacrifice will be acceptable and which will not. Today our sacrifice is what we say in our prayer to God. The 1,000 years runs on the same principals as the new earth runs on. The population in the 1,000 years is a static population and they are the first of man that are immprtal and sinless. Cain and Able brought tw offerings. The one that was rejected in a sinful world will be the one that is acceprable in a sinless world so the rejected sacricice will become the accepted one starting at the beginning of the 1,000 year reign. Zec:14 is a preview of how the New earth will worl only both the 12 Tribes and the Church will inhabit New Jerusalem as they assume their roles as Priests and Kings to the everr growing number of people that will make their homesoutside of the wall of New Jerusalem once the New Earth begins. The Feast of the Tabernacles will happen each year for 1,000 times.
1c The resurrection of the whole House of israel will go all the way back to the sons of Abraham. The duties of a Prtiest of God is not the same in a sinless world as it is in a sinful world. The ones that become alive at the start are students rather than teachers. Below Jesus is the 24 Elders fom the Re:4 Temple. They are the 'many Saints' that came out of the graves the same morning as Jesus did. They all ascended to that temple to be glorified, only Jesus came back and that was onlt to help the ones He baptised to get through the same 40 dat fast He went through when He was baptised by God.
2. A. Eze. 40-47 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Eze. 40-47 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity will occur in the future.
2a Zec:6 and many other places prompote a temple and an altar being present during the 1,000 year reign. You will find nothing that suppors a blood sacrifice as that ended with the cross and the next 40 years of the practice was an abomonation to God and shoul any flesh be killed in the new earth it means that person is sent to the fiery lake.
2b Eze:37 defines the whold House of Israel. Able's sacrife is no longer the acceptable sacrifice. Any member of the 12 tribes can do it and they will still be raised with all the rest. A Gentile doing so gives up his place in the 1,000 year reign and is resurrected with 'the rest'instead.
3c. The activities taught to tem durin the 1,000 year Zec:14 represents will be what both groups do when they are both living inside New Jerusalem. Israel will be taught all there is to know about being Priests and the Gentile Church members will be taught all there is to know about being kings to the nations that will exist outside the walls of New Jerusalem. They arte Shepherds to a very large Flock.
3. A. Jer. 33:20-22 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Jer. 33:20-22 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.
3a Nor has the punishment of the Nations in Jer:25 or the gathering of the 12 Tribes as defined in Jer:31.
3b okay
3c okay
4. A. Zec. 14 guarantees future GLOBAL participation in the sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (with punishment upon the nations who do not participate).
B. Therefore, global participation in sacrifice-laden feasts will occur in the future, and it will be required, and it will be good to obey, and it will be bad to disobey.
4a Feast of the tabernacles doesn't mention blood sacrifice. After the feast the Church wanders around the globe seeing how to build cities as that willbe part of their duris in the New Earth era. Cities mena the megaliths that are in ruins today rather than it is referncing all the cities we have on our maps, they will never be rebuilt. Since the Church has rain it can grow crops and the produce is what they bring to the feat.Grapes are grrown is Israel in that time so the Gentiles procide the fine flower that is a substitute of a live sacrifice if none were available. there will be no flesh in the 1,000 years that is available for sacrifice. The only other flesh that is alive is the fish in the former dead sea as stated in Eze:47.
4b Why would either group want to fall into sin. Coming tpo a feast where Jesus is the host does not sound like aburden at all, in fact it shounds like it is a celebration of sorts.
5. A. Mal. 3:1-4 guarantees that the Messiah will RESTORE the covenant with Levi, complete with sacrifices to be offered again in the future.
B. We should not oppose what the Messiah will come to restore in the forthcoming kingdom rule.
5a That book also says Eligiah will come first. He would be with Moses and Elias and the rest of the 12 Tribes that arte resurrected as soom as Jesus kills allthe existing sinners on the globe. The only wrathnthat come after that is when God sents the ramaining fallen angels to the fiery lake. The fire Jesus used sent a few fallen angels there and it only melted Satan's Babylon. The next wrath does the same to the rest on the planet and it looks like that when New Jerusalem lands on it at the end of Re:22.
The arrival is the beginning of the restoration, by the time satan is releassed Jerusalem is called 'the glorious city' and the surrounding land is called 'the campof the Saints', it is a mirror image of what that paryt of the garden would look like if sin had never entered the world.
6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.
6a true, it also promotes the existance of a new earthn that is not yet made. The new covenant mentione in Hebrews is made with an immortal and sinless group rAther than sinful men who can die.
6b you need to evaluate all the references rather tyhan habging a complicated doctrine on a single verse from a passage that may or may not be in the proper context. That is actually a sign that a doctrine is weak and not supported by the book
7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).
7a. Nope. The iron/clay kingdom from Da:2 hasn't even began yet.it begins when the 7th trump sounds. The 12 books listed after Daniel only detail how the transitio from taht to the 1,000 year reign happens. Even the 'latter days' from the De:4:30 prophecy is unfulfilled. The sacttering from that prophecy and Luke:21:24 happened in 70 AD.
7b any prophecy about the return is unfulfilled, any to do with the bruise to the heel from Ge:3;15 vwas fulfilled when Jesus said, 'It is finished,'just before He died on nthe cross. All two brusies are completed when He says,'It is done.;'when He pours out the 7th vialin Re16.
7c the only law from the that survived the transition is the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments are retired at the start of the 1,000 year reign.
7d I'm afraid it does as only one version of Law can esist at one toime. The Law before the 10 commandments was the one the sons of God in Ge:6 were under. That Law ceased to be the Law of the land when the last giant died in the exodus wars. that is when the 10 commandments became law. A law that exists onlt for the time it takes for Ge:3:15 to be fulfilled. That day is the day the 7th trumps sounds. The new covenant is made with an immortal and sinless people. People born in the new earth will attain taht level when they are 120 years old.
7d what do they do with their day if nobpody has any sins to confess?
8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).
8a Okay,the last one that could do any of the 'signs following' died by 100AD
8b If it was a blood sacrifice in the temple it was an abomination mentioned in the 70th week prophecy. Killing Stephen and allowing the money-changes back were also abominations by that time. This doesn't fit in well with the reference to this specific chapter made a little earlier.
Isa:66:3:
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man;
he that sacrificeth a lamb,
as if he cut off a dog's neck;
he that offereth an oblation,
as if he offered swine's blood;
he that burneth incense,
as if he blessed an idol.
Yea,
they have chosen their own ways,
and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
8c a sin after the 1,000 years starts will get yo a seat beside satan in nthe fiery lake. God will prevent tyhat from happenming. Removing all other flesh will prevent any blood sacrifice. God does it so no other flesh than fallen angesl gets sent to the lake. Only beings that are sinless and know about good and evil are saved from the fire hat melts the whole earth.
9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.
9a God's book is 66 books rather than 5.
Re:22:18:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Re:22:19:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.
9b All of Re:12 is an expansion of Ge:3:15 if you are looking for comfirmation of what 'the book actually means.
9c You would actually try and slaughter one of the birds or beasts of the field that come to the supper Christ prepares for them when it is payback for so many of them being killed as an atonement to man's own sin. I don't see that working out for the men really. lol
9d No Apostleor Disciple ever took part in a blood sacrifice after the cross. Believer were the minority and were ignored when they spoke.
9e if NT believers cannot eat the meat that is ki9llen in a religios ritual what is the purpose of the death??
10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.
10a The reference is to the 613 laws rather than the 10 Commandments.
10b Jesus introduce a modified Passover meal that excluded meat. we bare still under the old covenant as the new covenant is means for when we have a glorified body like the one Jesus has after His return for 40 days.
10c not at all
11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.
11a That is not true
11b The prophecy in the last 3 verses of Zec:13 are the start of the passage that covers all of the next chapter. The 'little pones' start with the gentioles that God sent to peter in Acts:10. Their judgment on the day the 7th trump sounds sees 2/3 of all of them on the planet dying. The 1/3 that do not die have repented their sins and theu are joined by the gentioles included in verse Re:20:4 and when combined the qualify aqs 'the Church' Any female Gentiles that were taken captive during the exodus wars have their whole families become part of the whole House of israel.
11c Gentiles werc alway goint to be saved. The ber=ruise to the heel was first so the 12 tribes bacame the first to be gathered.
Isa:40:15:
Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket,
and are counted as the small dust of the balance:
behold,
he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.
11d. Not a good plan to start killing after you have been is=nstructed to stop killing as a way to please God.
12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.
12a That isn't until the return, and the land of the enemy in Jer:31 is the grave rather than it being a gentile country. The verse below is referencing gentile countries though.
Eze:39:28:
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God,
which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.
12b The return is not until just after all 7 vials kill all the sinners in nthe world.
12c No they won't.
12d Israel is raised whole, the Gentilkes alive for the 1,000 years area remant of all gentikle. Gentiles will be a wholepeople at the end og Judgment Day that comes after satan is in the fiery lake.
12e Won't ever happen as there is zero support for that. What will happen is both groups who are alive according to Zec:14 will both reside in New Jerusalem in the New earth. Priests and Kings (to the nations) are as close as the get to bong one people. The is no blood sacrifice at any time after the 7th trump sounds.
Hope that is helpful.
