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I do not require everybody to be so, but if you start arguing with me, I will!
Regarding Wikipedia vs CPRC:
I gathered facts. Either I got the facts right, in which case the conclusion follows logically.
Otherwise, show me which facts are incorrect.
Again, people in this discussion argued for giving guns to teachers. I asked for evidence towards
the effectiveness of such a dramatic change, with potentially (I say *potentially*) large negative impact
on the lives of children.
- Several people started replying.
- I tried to demonstrate that the proposed evidence actually does not exist.
- Eventually you seem agree that there is no evidence.
Great.
As for how complicated is checking sources, give me a break!
- You cut and paste half a page of a long pro-guns article.
- You probably read the article before pasting it.
- The web page has a big logo on top with the word "GUNS".
You say you do not have time to check the logo? That takes less than one second.
I am not suggesting to do detective work. I am just suggesting that you should skeptical, especially of information sources that
are highly partisan *and* confirm your bias.[/QUOTE]
Yes,yes it actually is!
Just because something comes from a site that supports gun rights doesn't mean its not truthful/correct/honest etc. You said you had no opinion either way. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle of two opinions. You can make whatever demands you want it doesn't mean other people will listen to you.
You're chasing your tail on this. Wiki is not an authority on any subject. Everyone contributes but there is someone who controls what stays. Is that person biased to a certain political/belief system? Who knows? If your standards for everyone else is so high,then you must be held to the same standard.
You assume too much. I'm Canadian,spent most of my life there. Very strict rules about owning guns there. My father had a rifle for hunting and never used it so he got rid of it. About a decade ago I moved to the US,which has a totally different idea of guns then what I grew up with. Now,having been in an active shooter situation in Canada,no one was armed. The best we could do was duck and cover and hope that the shooter did not come inside. In my situation the shooter did not come inside the building. But he did shoot out in the parking lot where my father,grandmother and friends were. It was an extremely helpless feeling.People were pinned on the ground behind their vehicles. No one was killed that day,but they could have been. Had there been someone there that was armed and trained,
it may have been stopped a lot sooner.
I watched a episode of 20/20 where they talked to a cop.He said in a massive shooter situation most of the killing happens in the first 5mins., and the cops can not get there that quickly. He said people need to be aware and ready to either defend themselves or have a way of escape. After I heard that I began to look at places I regularly go to during my week. Where are the exits? If I had to get out where would I go? I keep a cell phone with me at all times. I also carry mace.At the moment I don't carry a gun but I haven't written off the possibility. So you see my bias isn't what you assume it is.
Lastly,as everyone here has said time and time again,we don't have stats about teachers carrying guns.That doesn't mean it won't work or shouldn't be considered. All options should be on the table.The only thing I do stand firm on is a persons right to bear arms. Again,schools are coming up with solutions that are best for them,as it should be.No one has said teachers must be armed. Those that wish to should be allowed to. That should be the end of the discussion.
Regarding Wikipedia vs CPRC:
I gathered facts. Either I got the facts right, in which case the conclusion follows logically.
Otherwise, show me which facts are incorrect.
Again, people in this discussion argued for giving guns to teachers. I asked for evidence towards
the effectiveness of such a dramatic change, with potentially (I say *potentially*) large negative impact
on the lives of children.
- Several people started replying.
- I tried to demonstrate that the proposed evidence actually does not exist.
- Eventually you seem agree that there is no evidence.
Great.
As for how complicated is checking sources, give me a break!
- You cut and paste half a page of a long pro-guns article.
- You probably read the article before pasting it.
- The web page has a big logo on top with the word "GUNS".
You say you do not have time to check the logo? That takes less than one second.
I am not suggesting to do detective work. I am just suggesting that you should skeptical, especially of information sources that
are highly partisan *and* confirm your bias.[/QUOTE]
Yes,yes it actually is!
Just because something comes from a site that supports gun rights doesn't mean its not truthful/correct/honest etc. You said you had no opinion either way. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle of two opinions. You can make whatever demands you want it doesn't mean other people will listen to you.
You're chasing your tail on this. Wiki is not an authority on any subject. Everyone contributes but there is someone who controls what stays. Is that person biased to a certain political/belief system? Who knows? If your standards for everyone else is so high,then you must be held to the same standard.
You assume too much. I'm Canadian,spent most of my life there. Very strict rules about owning guns there. My father had a rifle for hunting and never used it so he got rid of it. About a decade ago I moved to the US,which has a totally different idea of guns then what I grew up with. Now,having been in an active shooter situation in Canada,no one was armed. The best we could do was duck and cover and hope that the shooter did not come inside. In my situation the shooter did not come inside the building. But he did shoot out in the parking lot where my father,grandmother and friends were. It was an extremely helpless feeling.People were pinned on the ground behind their vehicles. No one was killed that day,but they could have been. Had there been someone there that was armed and trained,
it may have been stopped a lot sooner.
I watched a episode of 20/20 where they talked to a cop.He said in a massive shooter situation most of the killing happens in the first 5mins., and the cops can not get there that quickly. He said people need to be aware and ready to either defend themselves or have a way of escape. After I heard that I began to look at places I regularly go to during my week. Where are the exits? If I had to get out where would I go? I keep a cell phone with me at all times. I also carry mace.At the moment I don't carry a gun but I haven't written off the possibility. So you see my bias isn't what you assume it is.
Lastly,as everyone here has said time and time again,we don't have stats about teachers carrying guns.That doesn't mean it won't work or shouldn't be considered. All options should be on the table.The only thing I do stand firm on is a persons right to bear arms. Again,schools are coming up with solutions that are best for them,as it should be.No one has said teachers must be armed. Those that wish to should be allowed to. That should be the end of the discussion.
