Thanks I am just trying to understand what you guys are preaching here so trying to keep it all together.
Originally Posted by
LoveGodForever
So HYPERGRACE or OSAS does BELIEVE you can be LOST and you can LOSE your salvation if you CONTINUE in a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN?
nope
they believe you are no longer lost when you are born again of incorruptible seed
given a new heart and spirit
and now are a child of God
forever
you impute a lot of your own misunderstanding in this...
So I asked the question does HYPERGRACE or OSAS BELIEVE you can be LOST and you can LOSE your salvation if you CONTINUE in a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN? The answer was NOPE you cannot lose your salvation while living a life on KNOWN UNREPEANT SIN.
This was followed by a post from EG saying that those following OSAS or HYPERGRACE CANNOT live in UNREPENTANT SIN..
Originally Posted by
NoNameMcgee
nope
they believe you are no longer lost when you are born again of incorruptible seed
given a new heart and spirit
and now a child of God
forever
you impute a lot of your own misunderstanding in this...
And I will add, they believe you CAN NOT live in unrepentant sin as stated by John in his epistle. (A child of God can not sin, he who sins has neither seen God or known him)
I can nto see what LGF posts. So I figure I would answer him by your posts and your quote.
This seemed to me to be a little bit confusing or conflicting so I respnded with....
Originally Posted by
LoveGodForever
SO guys your OSAS or HYPERGRACE GOSPEL seems a little confusing one person says you cannot lose your salvation by continuing in SIN and the other says you can lose your salvation if you continue in SIN which is it?
Isn't the OSAS or HYPERGRACE belief only a continuation of the first LIE spoken by the DEVIL to EVE in the Garden of Eden that if you brake God's Commandments you will not surely due? When God says you will surely die?
Just saking as I cannot see the difference here. Thanks
This is then followed up again by NNM here, SO please be patient as I am trying to understand what you believe so I may ask some questions for clarification. So broken this next post into sections....
OSAS means once saved always saved it means this believer has a new heart and spirit placed in them the sins they used to love so much when they were of the world now breaks them
So in summary; so far you believe that SOMEONE who BELIEVES IN OSAS or HYPERGRACE is someone that is Born Again and these and those thatr BELIEVE this cannot lose their salvation and cannot be lost and in your view a OSAS or HYPERGRACER is someone that is born again and does not commit SIN?
SO if someone that BELIEVES in OSAS or HYPERGRACE commits SIN and decides to turn away from GOD to CONTINUE LIVING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN how are they in a SAVED state before GOD and how will they NOT lose their salvation when God says the wages of SIN is death?
they have repented from unbelief and God is working repentance in them
3340. metanoeó ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose
Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.
So your saying here that repentance is chnaging your mind which I agree with. Does changing your mind lead to changing your actions?
Pro 28:13
He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoever confesses and
forsakes them shall have mercy.
they cannot and will not lose salvation because they are now Gods children by grace through faith
Where in God's Word does it say that a Born again christian cannot turn away from God to go back to a life of SIN and will not lose their Salvation?
they will be judged according to the WHOLE law but covered by the righteousness of Jesus not their own so they are seen as perfect regardless of their works of the flesh or how much fruit the spirit bares in them its the gospel...100% biblical
So your saying that you can continue in SIN living the works of the flesh and Jesus Righteousness will cover you regardless and that this is the gospel?
So how do you explain..
Galatians 5
19, Now the
WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: OF THE WHICH I TELL YOU BEFORE, AS I HAVE TOLD YOU IN TIME PAST, THAT
THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
I think I will believe God on this one.
Romans 4
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
I love these scriptures but they are not saying that we are free to SIN they are saying that FAITH work RIGHTEOUSNESS
RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH is God saving you from SIN not so you can continue to SIN.
Phi 2:13
For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Eph 2
8, For by
grace are you saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the
gift of God:
9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10, For
WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus
TO GOOD WORKS, which God has before ordained
THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
WHAT IS GRACE FOR?
Romans 1
5, By whom we have received
GRACE and apostleship,
FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.
Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?
Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?
Hebrews 6
4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God:
8, But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?
30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
SIN is breaking God's Commandments (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11)
Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).