KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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Musicus

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trofimus said:
"Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
Mt 6:10, KJV

Its a Christian axiom.
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Peterson used American slang for The Message, and he admits he could have researched it better. But the phrase "as above, so below" is from a legendary (mythical) book of magic called The Emerald Tablet, part of the Hermetica, by a probably fictitious Hermes Trismegistrus.

I don't think he ever got a copywrite for it.
 
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James37 said:
I have presented fruit in the form of the phrase "as above so below" Are you going to answer the question Dino246? Yes or no answer will work.
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We, as Christians, should live in the style "as above, so below".

If occultists, satanists, buddhists, spiritists, masonry, secret organizations, aliens on Mars and who else exists want to use this phrase in various meanings, its their fight, its not related to us.

Your reasoning is totally irrelevant to a Bible translation question.
 
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Musicus said:
Peterson used American slang for The Message, and he admits he could have researched it better. But the phrase "as above, so below" is from a legendary (mythical) book of magic called The Emerald Tablet, part of the Hermetica, by a probably fictitious Hermes Trismegistrus.
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I rather care about Greek manuscripts than such works. It seems to be more useful to me.
 
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Dino246 said:
You need to provide evidence of the linkage and intention instead of simply pointing out a correlation which could as easily be quite innocent.
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Maybe Eugene Peterson thought he was coining a new and original phrase. Is the phrase "as above so below" a WELL KNOWN OCCULT AXIOM? I will be content with a yes, no or I don't know answer from you.
 
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Musicus

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trofimus said:
We, as Christians, should live in the style "as above, so below".

If occultists, satanists, buddhists, spiritists, masonry, secret organizations, aliens on Mars and who else exists want to use this phrase in various meanings, its their fight, its not related to us.

Your reasoning is totally irrelevant to a Bible translation question.
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I don't think it's totally irrelevant, since the Message is a modern translation, albeit questionable as to content if not motive.
 
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Musicus said:
I don't think it's totally irrelevant, since the Message is a modern translation, albeit questionable as to content if not motive.
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Correct me if I am wrong, I do not use it, but is not "Message" a free paraphrase targeted to easy reading?

If so, to discuss "they are not precise here or there" is quite absurd...
 
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Joseppi said:
I accept what the scriptures say because I love the truth.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

As I read the verse above I note that God didn’t only say he hated Esau, he acted accordingly.

So, I reason it is wise to understand why God hates. For he is not a respecter of persons.
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It wouldn't have made a difference if Esau knew what God hated or not would it, according to the letter God hated him from the womb.... note I said according to the letter.
 
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I'm painting today, my responses will be slow. :)
 
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James37 said:
Maybe Eugene Peterson thought he was coining a new and original phrase. Is the phrase "as above so below" a WELL KNOWN OCCULT AXIOM? I will be content with a yes, no or I don't know answer from you.
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You add speculation to speculation.

I have already responded; I am not obligated to disprove your assertion. That is a burden-of-proof reversal, and I won't play that game.
 
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trofimus said:
Correct me if I am wrong, I do not use it, but is not "Message" a free paraphrase targeted to easy reading?

If so, to discuss "they are not precise here or there" is quite absurd...
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Most folks don't even consider it a bible at all. There is nothing precise about it. The copy I had I threw away.
 
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Dino246 said:
You add speculation to speculation.

I have already responded; I am not obligated to disprove your assertion. That is a burden-of-proof reversal, and I won't play that game.
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You were so quick to come to the defense of the Peterson's rendering of Matthew 6:10 and now you cannot answer a simple question! You should do a bit more research before you dive into the conversation.
 
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Musicus said:
Most folks don't even consider it a bible at all. There is nothing precise about it. The copy I had I threw away.
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Until somebody forces you to use it and read it, I see no problem. Its not targetted on you, obviously.
 
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James37 said:
You were so quick to come to the defense of the Peterson's rendering of Matthew 6:10 and now you cannot answer a simple question! You should do a bit more research before you dive into the conversation.
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I will not answer a question designed to garner agreement with an assertion that you have not supported with linking evidence.

Step up with the evidence, and we'll discuss it. I don't need to do your research for you.
 
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