How To Be Un-Saved

Speak2Me · Mar 2, 2018

Actually, hypergrace is like OSAS taken to the next level.

Old OSAS (Southern Baptist, for example), believed that after salvation, new sins committed needed to be confessed & repented of, & that a convert should be faithful in commitment to God. (Southern Baptists, if I'm wrong, please correct me)

New OSAS is slowly changing, with some still believing the old way, while others are similar to hypergrace.

The real reason Joseph Prince's name comes up all the time is because he claims in his book 'Destined to Reign' that God showed him in 1997 that people weren't walking in grace correctly, & Freegrace/Hyper-grace was born.

Prince claims to have started it.

Hyper-grace believes once you ask Christ in your heart that sin doesn't matter because Jesus died for our past/present and future sins.

Therefore:

God no longer convicts you of your sins after conversion. No more guilt over sin.
We no longer confess & repent of new sins. Jesus has already taken care of that.
Lack of faithfulness doesn't matter, because it's not about us doing anything. Jesus took care of that, too.
Believers can commit suicide & still be saved.

All of this is in his book.

When you put all of the above together, no conviction, no confession, no repentance, & no mandatory faithfulness, it means basically you can do what you want & be saved, cuz they say over & over that none of that matters.

Some, but not all of the modern OSAS believes the same thing.

This is why we have the various arguments because one says one thing & another one says something else.

Hearing EG, for instance, saying nothing is wrong with hyper-grace & then claim OSAS can be confusing to a lot of people.

Speak2Me · Mar 2, 2018

joefizz said:

You say this, yet feel right at home in the NBW's thread.

The two don't add up.

LoveGodForever · Mar 2, 2018

Thanks I am just trying to understand what you guys are preaching here so trying to keep it all together.

NoNameMcgee said:

So I asked the question does HYPERGRACE or OSAS BELIEVE you can be LOST and you can LOSE your salvation if you CONTINUE in a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN? The answer was NOPE you cannot lose your salvation while living a life on KNOWN UNREPEANT SIN.

This was followed by a post from EG saying that those following OSAS or HYPERGRACE CANNOT live in UNREPENTANT SIN..

eternally-gratefull said:

This seemed to me to be a little bit confusing or conflicting so I respnded with....

This is then followed up again by NNM here, SO please be patient as I am trying to understand what you believe so I may ask some questions for clarification. So broken this next post into sections....

NoNameMcgee said:

So in summary; so far you believe that SOMEONE who BELIEVES IN OSAS or HYPERGRACE is someone that is Born Again and these and those thatr BELIEVE this cannot lose their salvation and cannot be lost and in your view a OSAS or HYPERGRACER is someone that is born again and does not commit SIN?

SO if someone that BELIEVES in OSAS or HYPERGRACE commits SIN and decides to turn away from GOD to CONTINUE LIVING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN how are they in a SAVED state before GOD and how will they NOT lose their salvation when God says the wages of SIN is death?

NoNameMcgee said:

So your saying here that repentance is chnaging your mind which I agree with. Does changing your mind lead to changing your actions?

Pro 28:13
He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

NoNameMcgee said:

Where in God's Word does it say that a Born again christian cannot turn away from God to go back to a life of SIN and will not lose their Salvation?

NoNameMcgee said:

So your saying that you can continue in SIN living the works of the flesh and Jesus Righteousness will cover you regardless and that this is the gospel?

So how do you explain..

Galatians 5
19, Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: OF THE WHICH I TELL YOU BEFORE, AS I HAVE TOLD YOU IN TIME PAST, THAT THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD

I think I will believe God on this one.

NoNameMcgee said:

I love these scriptures but they are not saying that we are free to SIN they are saying that FAITH work RIGHTEOUSNESS

RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH is God saving you from SIN not so you can continue to SIN.

Phi 2:13
For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Eph 2
8, For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10, For WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus TO GOOD WORKS, which God has before ordained THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 6
4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God:
8, But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?
30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

SIN is breaking God's Commandments (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11)

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodForever · Mar 2, 2018

Speak2Me said:

Goodness, I did not know so many things like this exist although I had heard about it but did not understand what they are believing. Essentially though the foundations are the same for OSAS and HYPERGRACE and that is the fist lie in the Garden of Eden spoken by the Devil the father of lies to EVE and that is;

THE FOLLOWING IS THE ORIGIN OF OSAS AND HYPERGRACE; THE VERY FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN.

Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)

3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.

4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)

5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DIOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>

6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >

8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Key points and putting it all together..........

The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE. Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment NOT TO EAT the FRUIT lest you DIE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD.

I BELIEVE the TREE of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL represents God's 10 commandments.

THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.

SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)

It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)

SIN will indeed KEEP ALL THOSE WHO KNOWINGLY CONTINUE IN IT OUT OF GOD'S KINGDOM.

ONLY God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

Speak2Me · Mar 2, 2018

While having great difficulty believing LGF's post, there's one thing for sure: There's some doctrines out there(in here) that says you cannot spiritually die after conversion.

"You won't surely die" is sounding all too familiar.

Yet it did happen for Adam & Eve, it happened to Israel, & right now it's happening to the church.

Many good & wonderful scriptures have been set aside to believe this lie.

Yet, as much as the followers of this doctrine claim their doctrine is good, no doctrine can be good while leading it's followers into unbelief.

Scripture after scripture has been set aside for it.

When will it stop?

The precious Word that's forever established in Heaven is being set aside while it's true meaning, God's intent, is trodden underfoot just as Hebrews said it would.

I don't expect the deluded ones to understand or change their ways. I can only hope the readers will open their eyes before it's too late.

As I have said, your soul depends on it.

Speak2Me · Mar 2, 2018

Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

Katy-follower · Mar 3, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

I don't even use the title of christian anymore, because of all the various religions that claim to be, but preach a different gospel. I worry that if I witness to someone that they might end up going to a mormon or catholic church, so I usually just tell them that I'm a born again christian. This has always been a great conversation starter too.

Katy-follower · Mar 3, 2018

RickyZ said:

Wow, that's a long post, and I'm tired, lol, so will just tackle this one for now.

V21 is relevant here too...

"And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister"

The "if indeed" serves as confirmation in this case. It's confirming that genuine faith will persevere. It will continue and overcome. The scripture that comes to mind is... 1 John 5:4-5: "For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?"

So if you look at the passage, it does not say that perseverance is required for reconciliation. It says first that we used to be enemies, were then reconciled, and then it confirms that the result will be perseverance. True believers will persevere.

Also take note of the fact that believers are no longer enemies....

Romans 5:8-11: "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation"

Budman · Mar 3, 2018

For the last few days I've come in and simply read the posts on this thread and "Not By Works". The more I read, the sadder I became. It is absolutely heartbreaking to see the modern day Pharisees and Judaizers trying relentlessly to drag people back to Moses.

WHY can't they understand that for the Christian, the sin issue is over. For the Christian, the Law has no hold on us, and is, in fact, DEAD.

I just can't understand why these people love their chains so much!

eternally-gratefull · Mar 3, 2018

Chester said:

Yes, here is where the disconnect is, WHo are Gods sheep? According to scripture they were given to him. They were called the elect. They were predestined, they where known before time began. So No, they can not die. They will not wither, they will not return to the ground, it says God will not let them go. And even if they get lost. He will leave th flock to go get them.

Your saying they may not be sheep one day. Where does it say that. It does not. It says plainly. My sheep. Those who belong to me. I know my sheep. And they know me, I have come to rescue them, If jesus knows who they are,. If the father know3s who they are. They are not these things that just come and go. They have already been determined who they are. And it was for them jesus came to die. (See the whole of John 10, Jesus makes this very clear)

If you read all of chapter ten, it certainly does. Again, I do not see why you can not see it.

1. They have a name. 3 him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”
2. He knows who they are already before he goes to get them, and he payed his life down for 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock andone shepherd.

Notice, He does not say they MAY hear my voice. Or they will hear his voice one time and not the next. He says he knows them (meaning they belong to him and are known) and they WILL hear him, and will follow.

see above, And just take Jesus at his word. If jesus said he knows his sheep and they will nto follow after strangers. Then trust him.

Which is exactly what I have been saying. Your trying to make it a point that the sheep can stop[ being the sheep. There is nothing in the passage that suggests this. There is MUCH in the passage that suggests in fact it is not true. Again, look at the whole passage, not just a few verses.

Your welcome and thank you also.

Ps. Can you please learn how to use quotes. It would make it so much easier. If you just respond int eh quotes. It does not follow. You can only see what is outside of the quote. Thank you.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 3, 2018

Budman said:

For the last few days I've come in and simply read the posts on this thread and "Not By Works". The more I read, the sadder I became. It is absolutely heartbreaking to see the modern day Pharisees and Judaizers trying relentlessly to drag people back to Moses.

WHY can't they understand that for the Christian, the sin issue is over. For the Christian, the Law has no hold on us, and is, in fact, DEAD.

I just can't understand why these people love their chains so much!

amen bro, it does get discouraging.

ljs · Mar 3, 2018

Budman said:

I feel the same , they are so obsessed with SIN , when as you say , it was dealt with , and we are free from the law .
Of course when you try and explain that to them , they accuse you of wanting an excuse to sin , which is far from the truth !!!!
God's GRACE makes you strive NOT TO SIN , but believers shouldnt be obsessed with SIN ( which they are !!!!! )
Agree 100% with you , its sad really , because they can never feel our " Blessed Assurance "

Chester · Mar 3, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

Yeah, I need to learn how to use quotes: haven't figured that out yet - but not now because my day is full . . . I did search the Tech page and found no help . . . (but I think I can figure it out when I have more time)

Trying to figure out our difference in approach? And probably the root issue is not a different approach but that we have both just decided what we are going to believe, but want to think we are being open to what Scripture says. . . LOL!

One difference I am seeing is that I have been intensely looking at these verse John 10:27-29 to see if they say anything clearly about OSAS. I haven't seen anything. I see them giving wonderful promises to the sheep who are hearing and following Christ.

I see you bringing in comments that I need to take the whole of the chapter and what it says about sheep: Here are quotes from your last response:

"(See the whole of John 10, Jesus makes this very clear)

If you read all of chapter ten, it certainly does. Again, I do not see why you can not see it.

There is MUCH in the passage that suggests in fact it is not true. Again, look at the whole passage, not just a few verses. "

I of course agree that context is an important part of sound Biblical interpretation. But that does not mean that individual verses cannot be interpreted on the basis of what they simply say. I am a stickler for not adding to what the Word says to form doctrine. What the rest of John 10 says about sheep also needs to be studied and learned: no argument about that. But for verses 27-29: they do not state "once a sheep always a sheep" or "a sheep will always hear and follow". They state simply that the sheep are hearing and following and have the promises of verses 28,29. To force an interpretation upon a verse from outside of it is eisegesis, not exegesis.

So, if John 10:27-29 do not directly state that a sheep will always hear and follow and never perish, then do other verses directly state that? Fair enough question! If there is such a verse, we can start another conversation. (but not now: I am going to be gone for a few days!)

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Here is another quote from your last response:

"Notice, He does not say they MAY hear my voice. Or they will hear his voice one time and not the next. He says he knows them (meaning they belong to him and are known) and they WILL hear him, and will follow."

I think this sort of approach is dangerous. You first say that the passage does not say something. (We should focus on what it does say). And then you wind up saying that is says they will hear and will follow. And as I have been pointing out it says they are hearing and are following.

star · Mar 3, 2018

Would that not include works by that one who has "unsaved" themselves.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 3, 2018

Chester said:

Yeah, I need to learn how to use quotes: haven't figured that out yet - but not now because my day is full . . . I did search the Tech page and found no help . . . (but I think I can figure it out when I have more time)

Trying to figure out our difference in approach? And probably the root issue is not a different approach but that we have both just decided what we are going to believe, but want to think we are being open to what Scripture says. . . LOL!

One difference I am seeing is that I have been intensely looking at these verse John 10:27-29 to see if they say anything clearly about OSAS. I haven't seen anything. I see them giving wonderful promises to the sheep who are hearing and following Christ.

I see you bringing in comments that I need to take the whole of the chapter and what it says about sheep: Here are quotes from your last response:

"(See the whole of John 10, Jesus makes this very clear)

If you read all of chapter ten, it certainly does. Again, I do not see why you can not see it.

There is MUCH in the passage that suggests in fact it is not true. Again, look at the whole passage, not just a few verses. "

I of course agree that context is an important part of sound Biblical interpretation. But that does not mean that individual verses cannot be interpreted on the basis of what they simply say. I am a stickler for not adding to what the Word says to form doctrine. What the rest of John 10 says about sheep also needs to be studied and learned: no argument about that. But for verses 27-29: they do not state "once a sheep always a sheep" or "a sheep will always hear and follow". They state simply that the sheep are hearing and following and have the promises of verses 28,29. To force an interpretation upon a verse from outside of it is eisegesis, not exegesis.

So, if John 10:27-29 do not directly state that a sheep will always hear and follow and never perish, then do other verses directly state that? Fair enough question! If there is such a verse, we can start another conversation. (but not now: I am going to be gone for a few days!)

Here is another quote from your last response:

"Notice, He does not say they MAY hear my voice. Or they will hear his voice one time and not the next. He says he knows them (meaning they belong to him and are known) and they WILL hear him, and will follow."

I think this sort of approach is dangerous. You first say that the passage does not say something. (We should focus on what it does say). And then you wind up saying that is says they will hear and will follow. And as I have been pointing out it says they are hearing and are following.

What I see is we are back to square one.

I am focused again who the sheep are, and how a sheep is always a sheep.

Our difference is I think God knows his sheep, and he calls them, and since they know him, they will follow (ie always) thus they are always sheep (because he knew them before he called them)

your focus is that sheep can be sheep one minute and not the next. I do not see that in the passage

Grandpa · Mar 3, 2018

Speak2Me said:

You call it a heresy.

Christians would call it instruction.

2 Peter 3:17-18

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18[/SUP]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

How can a person avoid being led away with the error of the wicked if they call the growing in Grace and in the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ heresy?

I guess they probably won't.

At what point does growing in Grace and in the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ become heresy? At the point when the legalist/worker who doesn't believe in Grace to begin with decides??? At the point when the carnal person with no knowledge of Salvation and Grace says so???

I suppose you'll have to forgive me for dismissing your anti-Grace, anti-Salvation stance. Its too late to lead me into your error of wickedness. I already know the Lord. And I try to grow in Grace and in the Knowledge of the Lord instead of carnal philosophies of works which lead to nowhere except failure.

RickyZ · Mar 3, 2018

joefizz said:

it's not the only long post here. Why is it the only one being mocked? Evidently when you have no argument to the Post, you tangent?

joefizz · Mar 3, 2018

Speak2Me said:

Sure it does,I "don't have a doctrine" exactly...My primary beliefs have been baptist but I'm not a calvinists,nor,once saved always saved,nor hyper grace,my beliefs are from "long deliberation"(around 10 or so years of thinking on what I believed before I made my decision to accept Jesus as saviour becoming saved)my beliefs are actually "rather peculiar".
For example once again I'm not a seventh day adventist or of the Judaism faith yet I try to keep my sabbath of Sunday as tribute to God(I refrain from violent,gambling,or spiritually questionable games or movies and either sleep,go to church,or both to keep to this)
I believe that when you humbly and sincerely give your life to Jesus accepting him as Lord and Saviour that one is Saved,but I don't believe this to be a license to sin or to be idle in general,as well as that good works do not save all but the exception of the 144,000 redeemed by Jesus in the tribulation,whom shall have to refuse the mark of the beast as their "good work" of "faith" yet I'm not a Jehovah witness.
Sometimes I have wondered if even "Christian" is the best title for my beliefs,but it's the most "suitable" I kind of like the term "Child of God" a bit better,because "Christian" sounds as if one thinking they can be the same as Christ which of course is impossible though we can "learn to do right" in "reflecting" on what he did say and do.

joefizz · Mar 3, 2018

joefizz said:

Sure it does,I "don't have a doctrine" exactly...My primary beliefs have been baptist but I'm not a calvinists,nor,once saved always saved,nor hyper grace,my beliefs are from "long deliberation"(around 10 or so years of thinking on what I believed before I made my decision to accept Jesus as saviour becoming saved)my beliefs are actually "rather peculiar".
For example once again I'm not a seventh day adventist or of the Judaism faith yet I try to keep my sabbath of Sunday as tribute to God(I refrain from violent,gambling,or spiritually questionable games or movies and either sleep,go to church,or both to keep to this)
I believe that when you humbly and sincerely give your life to Jesus accepting him as Lord and Saviour that one is Saved,but I don't believe this to be a license to sin or to be idle in general,as well as that good works do not save all but the exception of the 144,000 redeemed by Jesus in the tribulation,whom shall have to refuse the mark of the beast as their "good work" of "faith" yet I'm not a Jehovah witness.
Sometimes I have wondered if even "Christian" is the best title for my beliefs,but it's the most "suitable" I kind of like the term "Child of God" a bit better,because "Christian" sounds as if one thinking they can be the same as Christ which of course is impossible though we can "learn to do right" in "reflecting" on what he did say and do.

To shorten things to where people can understand more simply,I simply,believe,I let the holy spirit guide me and speak through me,and I don't fret over doctrinal matters much because it's rather a bit of a headache to me.

joefizz · Mar 3, 2018

RickyZ said:

Actually no I wasn't "mocking you" I was kidding from one of your other posts,with my "opinion bit" that was funny you said something about "an opinion having to agree with everyone else's" I was "testing" said funny remark!

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