KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[KJV1611]

I didn't notice that. Wars of words are all too common on the forum and I try (sometimes unsuccessfully) not to get caught up in them. It is NOT my favored debating style.

I don't like it either and it takes a lot to upset me but belittling other people over their beliefs really upsets me.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Happens all too frequently on here, unfortunately.

 

[KJV1611]

Since the controversy on this thread is at full tilt, would anyone care to present evidence that born again and saved are the same... another one of my "heretical" views lol.

 

[MarcR]

Hey, I know I get a little too rough with the KJVO ppl on here. However, I was once one, so I know the hypocrisy they hold to. My bone of contention was KJV1611(though he really uses the 1769 version) asked what it took to get someone banned who personally attacked ppl, but in that same post personally attacked me by calling me an a hole.

But this is my last convo with them. ALL KJVO’ers will be on my ignore list.

I was defending your post. I try (sometimes unsuccessfully) to avoid getting drawn into hot rhetoric.

I actually like both you and KJV 1611; but I usually agree with you and disagree with him.

Meaning no disrespect, I have seen you get so emotionally involved in your position that you miss details more than once. I love you as a brother anyway.

 

[MarcR]

Since the controversy on this thread is at full tilt, would anyone care to present evidence that born again and saved are the same... another one of my "heretical" views lol.

I believe that they are identical; but I don't know how to show it to you. Perhaps God will when He is ready.

 

[KJV1611]

I believe that they are identical; but I don't know how to show it to you. Perhaps God will when He is ready.

Or maybe God will show you that it's not the same.

 

[Joseppi]

Since the controversy on this thread is at full tilt, would anyone care to present evidence that born again and saved are the same... another one of my "heretical" views lol.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[KJV1611]

I believe that they are identical; but I don't know how to show it to you. Perhaps God will when He is ready.

Or maybe God will show you that it's not the same.

 

[KJV1611]

I don't have descent internet right now... traveling home.

 

[tourist]

I believe that they are identical; but I don't know how to show it to you. Perhaps God will when He is ready.

I agree with your estimation. Born again and saved are one and the same.

 

[graceNpeace]

I agree with your estimation. Born again and saved are one and the same.

Always have been!

 

[Deade]

I agree with your estimation. Born again and saved are one and the same.

Me three. MarcR and tourist check out my blog "Who are the 144,000."

 

[preston39]

I'm not saying that Jesus Christ the eternal being is seperate from God at all. I believe they are one in the same just like the bible teaches - one God.

K...,

Whoa.
Are you saying that G-d was born of a virgin and did not always exists?

Are you saying that ...on the cross...G-d was talking to whom....Himself ....when Christ said..."my Father, my Father why has thou forsaken me"...? Since earthlings saw Christ..... and The Bible says ..no man has seen G-d...and if he did he must surely die...are you saying The Bible is conflicted there? et. al.

If that is your thought...you must have answers to a least 100 questions that position produces.

Yes...There is one G-d...our Creator. Yes...there is one Savior...Christ. Yes there is one Holy Spirit....The Comforter.

The Holy Trinity is alive and well.

Having said that I believe that Christ was G-d as needed to perform His duties while here. Or another way to say it; G-d gave Christ the level of power as needed to perform assignments as we see recorded in The Bible. The same thing.

 

[Dino246]

Wow... my post touched off a .... storm.

It's tempting to jump in and swing... but I'm going to have pizza and a decent beer instead. Blessings to all.

 

[nddreamer]

"John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Isn't our LORD saying here that they are one and the same?

 

[KJV1611]

"John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Isn't our LORD saying here that they are one and the same?

it says we must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven, not to go to heaven. I'll explain later.

This is how we are born again.

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
[23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[Lighthearted]

Wow... my post touched off a .... storm.

It's tempting to jump in and swing... but I'm going to have pizza and a decent beer instead. Blessings to all.

What did you do? Scoot over bro...share the pizza...? I have some dark chocolate...

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I wonder what it takes to get at an a hole banned on this Forum? You personally attack and insult people on a regular basis, I can't believe they allow to continue here.

I'm a calloused a dude and your insults mean nothing to me but it PISSES me off when you belittle others that are only speaking what they believe.

I don't like it either and it takes a lot to upset me but belittling other people over their beliefs really upsets me.

What about a sustained attack on The Bible itself? A constant barrage of disinformation, falsehood and misuse of scripture to attack other Christians who read the Bible. The irrational claim that the Bible isn't the Bible? That it is full of lies. Is that not offensive?

It's certainly meant to be.

corruption in modern bibles.

The modern bibles can’t stand the light of day, They really aren’t of God. They are a blight.

It all sounds reasonable until you compare the modern bibles with the truth. The problem is that corruption ruins modern bibles.

precisely because the modern bibles are obviously corrupt.

the corrupt modern bibles,

and today’s phony modern bibles.

Satan, and man is actively seeking to corrupt the Bible.

You didn’t notice the modern bible quotes are corrupt.

You need to cast out the false bibles lest they corrupt any reader with their falsehoods.

they invented the underlying texts of the modern corrupt bibles.

the false modern Bible

Notice how the corrupt text breaks the sentence apart

This rather stupid thing is probably done to mislead readers

these corrupt bibles promote false doctrine.
What bald face lies these modern bibles invent.

The corruption in modern bibles is intentional and will corrupt the readers of them with carnal and blasphemous doctrine and, vain philosophy as well.

A large well kept older text means it was a corrupt, unused ecclesiastical text.

No one will accept corrupt copies.

The Alexandrian Egyptian manuscripts are the corrupt texts underlying the invented texts

The corrupt text above is proven corrupt
There are other problems in the corrupt sentence.
The corruptors present the nonsense

even if the brightest scholar came here to try and sell some corrupt texts.

How come you don’t reveal the corruption in modern bibles?

The problem with modern bibles is that they corrupt the truth.

defenders of corrupt modern bibles.

The corruption lovers seek to claim that all bibles are error ridden so that ignorant people might assume nothing is seriously corrupt and devilish about modern bibles.

But it doesn’t take much inspection of modern bibles to determine how wicked they are.

So, readers are asked by corruption lovers to think its godly to speak well of the corrupt bibles and the scholars who invented the lies and corruption in the corrupt bible.

If a man speak of error as if the least mistake is important but then says nothing about the corruption in modern bibles, they are deceivers that love the falsehoods taught in modern perverse bibles.

And so they claim it’s divisive to point out the damnable lies in the modern bibles.

And if you force them to see and take note of the corruption, then the corrupt bible lovers suddenly feign being too dumbfounded and stupid to understand plain English, while having claimed to be some supposed wit.

But, does it matter that the devil has entered churches with corrupt bibles and sent his pastors and teachers also to praise the modern bibles?
No, it doesn’t.
It doesn’t matter what subversive lies these corruption lovers tell about the written word of God, because all you have to do is compare the evil to the good and turn away from corrupt bibles to God’s holy written word. That’s everyman’s responsibility.

It’s been 4oo years since the Holy Bible was published in English, so there are no excuses for not knowing what God hath said and done.

Now, after 4oo years the churches want to follow modern bibles and forsake the Authorized Holy Bible? So be it, Let God’s judgment begin with the church, since that is apparently the only thing to do to turn men’s hearts back to God and his holy words of truth.

As the great and global tribulation approaches the holy writ is needed more than ever before lest the saints perish for lack of knowledge. Not only are corruption lovers wrong about their petty criticisms of the Authorized, as they swallow whole camels worth of corrupt bibles, but they are completely unaware of how precise the Authorized Bible text is.

You want easy, please me, bibles? Go buy a lollipop version and buy all manner of helps, and see where you end up.

I myself use no helps. I found through experience that helps invented by man lead away from truth by teaching readers to not lean on the Holy Ghost as they’re supposed to do. In all my years allowing the Holy Ghost to teach me I have never found error nor any corruption in scripture of the Authorized. I have yet to find any man able to correct the Authorized in any way.
The next time you hear a pastor say he’s found a better word that is in the Authorized, don’t swallow that lie, stop and take a good look and let the Holy Ghost help you. Then you’ll find out what you didn’t know about the truth.

I believe what is written in the Authorized Version of the Holy Bible.
And that way I avoid all the devilish confusion corrupt bibles and philosophers present.

The confusion many of you posters have seems to arise from at least three errors.

1. Erring in not knowing the holy scriptures.
If you read modern versions you are not reading the scriptures of a God.

2. Erring in not believing what is written.
That is, even when you do read the authorized scriptures you error in not believing what is written.

3. Erring in not knowing the power of God.

modern corrupt versions and swallow the blatant lies in them is shameful.

With respect to scripture I stand on what is published in English in the Authorized Bible.

The modern bibles prove that modern unauthorized scholars are unable to produce any good translations.

Something is phony about the value of modern textual studies and translation since it has only produced corrupt texts in English.

I’ve watched as many on this site fail to read English well, while claiming to be educated in anything but the Holy Bible.
I suspect that many slipped away from the truth because they foolishly turned to man for helps, and forsook the leading of the Holy Ghost.

modern bibles are like that sand, as are all the philosophical works of man.

Yes, the Authorized Version of the Holy Bible is the standard of truth. As all comparison proves unerringly.

I have proven and can always prove corruption abounds in the modern unauthorized versions of bibles.


Corruption of scripture is provable by scripture.

So, you know that scripture proves what is truth and what things are lies. It can correct you if you quote a modern version Bible. It will expose the falsehood in false teachings. It corrects mistakes translators make. It tells us what is right.

If your reading of corrupt modern bible versions can’t be corrected by comparison of them against the Authorized Version, then there’s nothing that can be done to help you escape corruption. And if you don’t care enough to test all things then your a casual reader of scripture.
You can’t be Jesus’ disciple if you don’t continue in his word.

Without the Authorized Version as a standard we’d be unable to know God’s word and believe it.

The Authorized Version has authority over everyone and everything.
Denial will not help you escape God’s written word.

I find proving all things to be needful and so, that’s what I do.
I have no interest in such stupid nonsense.
But, hey present the best argument the book has and let’s see how silly a book it is.
I know better.
To get you to be dismissive of the Authorized Version is why heathen scholars invented modern corrupt versions.

 

[Lighthearted]

The KJV may be the standard you use, but it isn't any kind of objective standard for everyone.



You haven't proven anything to anyone who doesn't already hold to a KJV-only position. Proving something to yourself is irrelevant.



Have you read The King James Only Controversy yet? If not, then you haven't tested all things.



What a ludicrous statement. It is completely without foundation or merit.

I just have to say that growing up I was introduced to the KJV...
Flat out faith in Jesus didnt come from the Bible then nor does it now for me. ( It comes from Him working in my life and our personal relationship)
It came from others sharing the love of Jesus Christ with me. Of hearing of creation and God's miracles in the OT.

What do you think is the first thing a non believer sees when they come on CC? Is it a version of the Bible? Nope...its the love and attitude they see in you and I....what are you portraying? How long will they stick around to hear His word?

 

[nddreamer]

I have to agree with you. I've read it many times and it's done a work on me.