How To Be Un-Saved
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Scripture teaches as you well know it is by grace through faith. Where does human reason fit in? John 16:8-11 show the direct action of God in our salvation. Any EMT can tell you of the intimacy of giving the breath of life to one who has stopped breathing. When God breathes into you new life because you were dead do you really miss what has happened? A dead person cannot reason or cause themselves to breathe again. It is divine mercy that you were given the breath of eternal life.
Salvation promised that can be lost is against the character of God. Jesus on the cross rejoiced to see those who would be reconciled. There is great rejoicing in heaven when a soul comes to Christ.
Lu 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Salvation promised that can be lost is against the character of God. Jesus on the cross rejoiced to see those who would be reconciled. There is great rejoicing in heaven when a soul comes to Christ.
Lu 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Again..those who erroneously teach it can be lost deny the following truths...
a. If we believe not (after belief) he CANNOT DENY HIMSELF because HE REMAINS faithful
b. I will NEVER leave thee nor FORSAKE THEE
c. I WILL finish and COMPLETE the good work of faith that I have begun in you
d. Jesus will leave the 99 to find the one that went astray
e. We are in the FATHER'S hand
f. We are in the SON'S hand
g. We are sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE unto the DAY of REDEMPTION
h. We are KEPT by the POWER OF GOD
I. WE ARE GIVEN as a GIFT ETERNAL LIFE, EVERLASTING LIFE
j. JESUS will LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up the last DAY
K. Salvation cannot be gained, then lost and then regained
l. Grace out bounds the sin of the believer
m. A son by birth cannot be changed ever
n. God deals with us as SONS and CHASTENS, he does not cast away
etc.
For salvation to be losable....ALL of the above must be false, null and or void.....
NOT HAPPENING...JESUS is not some weak flake liar that cannot keep his word........HE will do exactly as he said and eternal is eternal as applied unto the LIFE given at the moment of belief....it is not temporary based upon what we do or do not not do!
a. If we believe not (after belief) he CANNOT DENY HIMSELF because HE REMAINS faithful
b. I will NEVER leave thee nor FORSAKE THEE
c. I WILL finish and COMPLETE the good work of faith that I have begun in you
d. Jesus will leave the 99 to find the one that went astray
e. We are in the FATHER'S hand
f. We are in the SON'S hand
g. We are sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE unto the DAY of REDEMPTION
h. We are KEPT by the POWER OF GOD
I. WE ARE GIVEN as a GIFT ETERNAL LIFE, EVERLASTING LIFE
j. JESUS will LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up the last DAY
K. Salvation cannot be gained, then lost and then regained
l. Grace out bounds the sin of the believer
m. A son by birth cannot be changed ever
n. God deals with us as SONS and CHASTENS, he does not cast away
etc.
For salvation to be losable....ALL of the above must be false, null and or void.....
NOT HAPPENING...JESUS is not some weak flake liar that cannot keep his word........HE will do exactly as he said and eternal is eternal as applied unto the LIFE given at the moment of belief....it is not temporary based upon what we do or do not not do!
Ya know, if I you're too lazy to use proper spelling and grammar, I have to believe you're too lazy to use other pertinent facts.
Sorry not trying to dig at you. Jus' sayin'.
It's funny, I have an in-law who decided she was going to appoint herself as a teacher to home-school her grand daughter.
But she consistently uses incorrect spelling and grammar.
I pointed out that if she is going to assume the role of a teacher then she needs to know and teach correct information.
So what do you think she did - did she take the hint and learn the correct information, or did she blacklist me from any further communication?
I think you know the answer to that one...
Sorry not trying to dig at you. Jus' sayin'.
It's funny, I have an in-law who decided she was going to appoint herself as a teacher to home-school her grand daughter.
But she consistently uses incorrect spelling and grammar.
I pointed out that if she is going to assume the role of a teacher then she needs to know and teach correct information.
So what do you think she did - did she take the hint and learn the correct information, or did she blacklist me from any further communication?
I think you know the answer to that one...
Honestly, and I've said this before, I don't think this will be an issue for 99.999% of us.
Where I see this really coming into play is in the end. You know, when those who thought they were going to be spared judgment and then wake up to find themselves smack dab in the middle of it - and then question if they were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about?
Everyone knows about the antichrist. But few acknowledge the apostasy... EVEN THOUGH PAUL PUT THEM ON AN EQUAL FOOTING.
If you believe in the antichrist, then you also have to believe in the apostasy.
You DO know what apostasy is, right?
And no, that's not an attempt to derail and introduce end times arguments. I'm just pointing out where this will most come into play.
Where I see this really coming into play is in the end. You know, when those who thought they were going to be spared judgment and then wake up to find themselves smack dab in the middle of it - and then question if they were wrong about that, what else are they wrong about?
Everyone knows about the antichrist. But few acknowledge the apostasy... EVEN THOUGH PAUL PUT THEM ON AN EQUAL FOOTING.
If you believe in the antichrist, then you also have to believe in the apostasy.
You DO know what apostasy is, right?
And no, that's not an attempt to derail and introduce end times arguments. I'm just pointing out where this will most come into play.
The bible is clear....they went out from us because THEY NEVER WERE OF US <----what part of this belies saved and then forfeited? NOTHING....NEVER WERE OF US is clear....
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction
The two events are tied together by the word AND......
Original Word: ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apostasia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: defection, apostasy
Definition: defection, apostasy, revolt
I am sick and tired of this word being misapplied.....and then used to try and support the loss of salvation....the word and application of the word is tied directly to the man of sin and him declaring himself as GOD......the word itself MUST be understood within this context and is applicable to the REVOLT that HE will lead AGAINST GOD and those that are SIDED with HIM in this revolt..........ALL other considerations DO NOT FIT this context......it is NOT about SAVED MEN losing salvation, it is about the gathering of the LOST who will not receive the love of the truth under the banner of the BEAST and his REVOLT against GOD........
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction
The two events are tied together by the word AND......
Original Word: ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apostasia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: defection, apostasy
Definition: defection, apostasy, revolt
I am sick and tired of this word being misapplied.....and then used to try and support the loss of salvation....the word and application of the word is tied directly to the man of sin and him declaring himself as GOD......the word itself MUST be understood within this context and is applicable to the REVOLT that HE will lead AGAINST GOD and those that are SIDED with HIM in this revolt..........ALL other considerations DO NOT FIT this context......it is NOT about SAVED MEN losing salvation, it is about the gathering of the LOST who will not receive the love of the truth under the banner of the BEAST and his REVOLT against GOD........
Another from Webster:
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2: extreme narrowness of viewpoint : narrow-mindedness; also : single-minded concentration on one objective
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2: extreme narrowness of viewpoint : narrow-mindedness; also : single-minded concentration on one objective
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Can a believer become apostate?
Can the butterfly once again become a caterpillar?
Can an apostate know the truth but refuse to receive and believe the truth? We need to know Christ but more importantly He needs to know us. Those He commands to depart from Him are the ones He never knew.
Its the John 16:8-11 Holy Spirit conviction thing which separates the intellectual knowledge from the real conversion experience. Its not a commitment, no its way more. I do not give my life to Christ I receive life from Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Can the butterfly once again become a caterpillar?
Can an apostate know the truth but refuse to receive and believe the truth? We need to know Christ but more importantly He needs to know us. Those He commands to depart from Him are the ones He never knew.
Its the John 16:8-11 Holy Spirit conviction thing which separates the intellectual knowledge from the real conversion experience. Its not a commitment, no its way more. I do not give my life to Christ I receive life from Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
This is the problem: You place your personal experiences as authority instead of the Word of God. That is exactly what you're doing with your above scenario.
You have no business or authority in popishly declaring your BIL as truly converted. I'd take a hard gander at Matthew 13 parable of soils. You also don't know if your BIL will come back to Christ or to Christ.
You have no business or authority in popishly declaring your BIL as truly converted. I'd take a hard gander at Matthew 13 parable of soils. You also don't know if your BIL will come back to Christ or to Christ.