How To Be Un-Saved

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

1 john 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Didymous · Apr 4, 2018

I, myself, prefer "once saved , always safe.". Jesus, Himself, when asked what must be done to work the works of God, said "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.". Either all the things some try to add are given(either then or later)when we believe in Jesus for our salvation, or Jesus was a liar. I, myself, choose to believe that Jesus never lied.

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

Didymous said:

amen

the glory goes to Jesus our Lord and savior

we are saved by grace (Gods) through faith (He calls)

and not of works (self)

and HE puts in His adopted children a new heart and spirit

after we are His sons

we can not fall away from FAITH

the same way we cannot deny our father on earth is our father

we cannot deny our Father in heaven is our Father

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

all glory to God

Yahshua · Apr 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

From John before the cross to Peter after the cross, the instructions are: "repent, be baptized, and you will receive the Holy Spirit." In that order.

- Repent means "turn away from sin". It's the first step we must take ourselves before receiving the Holy Spirit. Repentance isn't done for us.

- Be baptized is the outward expression of the old* man dying. It's the second step we must take ourselves, believing in Christ's work. Believing isn't done for us.

- Receive the Holy Spirit who we know is the comforter who guides us in all truth. Christ enters into us to cleanse and to guide our steps we have to take, which we can choose not to take. We aren't robots. We are servants.

God is who draws us to Christ and keeps us. But we have work to do.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 4, 2018

Yahshua said:

I don't think so..

1. Truly Christ died 2000 years ago. But Christ died *once* for all, not again and again and again for all. And he didn't die for ANY of the sins of the "new man" because the new man doesn't sin because Christ's seed is in him. He died for ALL of the sins of the "old man" because it's the old man who is supposed to die, crucified with Christ. That hasn't happened yet for most.

2. Christ's sacrifice isn't a "credit balance" to draw from. It's a cleansing (with spiritual bleach). A complete restart. This is exactly why I say most if not all people today aren't there yet but are still under God's mercy while we learn. Because once this happens; once we're truly are...

a) Enlightened (full knowledge of the truth)
b) Having tasted of the heavenly Gift
c) Having shared in the Holy Spirit
d) Having tasted of the actual Powers of the age to come (as detailed in acts)

We are no longer from Adam at all.

If then we sin willfully? After all of that?? There's nothing left for us. Nothing. This is why Judas is forever lost as an example. He tasted of the kingdom.

3. I think you just accused me of a strawman argument while creating your own? Focusing on murder in my example doesn't deny any other sins you mentioned as being sins too. No one said that not doing right wasn't a sin.

You do not get it man.

Any sin jesus did not die for will cause permanent punishment.

All of my sin was prersent tense when Jesus died for them. when he offered me salvation, he offered to take care of all of them (he knew what sins I would commit when he came to me)

eternally-gratefull · Apr 4, 2018

Yahshua said:

I would rather just stick to the word of God

ETERNAL life. not CONDITIONAL life.

OSAS is a doctrine, ETERNAL life is a gift.

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

Yahshua said:

you can believe your false gospel

but it is indeed a false gospel

and not what Jesus taught

first repent from unbelief

then God works a greater repentance in you

3341. metanoia ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Short Definition: repentance, a change of mind
Definition: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

again

we work OUT our salvation

not FOR it

or to keep it

or to regain it

we who are born again

are kept by the power of God

Yahshua · Apr 4, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

I'm sorry but it wasn't.

This is why we must still confess our sins once we commit them. Sins are NOT cleansed unless confessed. It's literally something we have to do.

Accepting Christ's sacrifice and death GRAFTS US INTO covenant with the God of israel. It also mended the breach of covenant with Israel and God.

In order to be grafted in we must accept the laws given by God to Israel. Christ (God) and the apostles are all clear on those laws we are to follow.

What we can not do is think of Christ's sacrifice as a COVERING, when it was/is a CLEANSING.

To cover something means it's still there...

But to cleans something means it's gone forever.

If we believe Christ's sacrifice was a covering and not a cleansing then we don't believe in what Christ actually did/is doing just yet.

Salvation by grace through faith hinges on accurate faith in what Christ actually did for us.

But I have to go now. I'll try to be on later.

Yahshua · Apr 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

you can believe your false gospel

but it is indeed a false gospel

and not what Jesus taught

first repent from unbelief

then God works a greater repentance in you

3341. metanoia ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Short Definition: repentance, a change of mind
Definition: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

again

we work OUT our salvation

not FOR it

or to keep it

or to regain it

we who are born again

are kept by the power of God

I will post unaltered scripture when I return and we can read what they say. Take care for now.

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

bump

hebrews 10
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

___________

Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

1 Peter 2:24 - Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

yash

i will pray God opens your eyes to what imputed righteousness means....

you are sounding more and more like those in romans 9 at the end

and early verses of 10

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

Yahshua said:

you can post whatever youd like

those who are born again by the power of God

adopted as sons

by grace through faith are saved

i will try to help you see context

eternally-gratefull · Apr 4, 2018

Yahshua said:

I am sorry, But if he did not, We are doomed.
The penalty of sin is death, Not confessing. If all it took to have a sin forgiven was to confess, Then jesus would never have had to die, and all those animals sacrificed from adam until the New Covenant began died in vein.

DJ2 · Apr 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

I have to hand it to you, you are rather slick. But its:

Philippians 2:12[SUP]12[/SUP]

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to

work out your salvation

with fear and trembling,

not:

Strange how one pronoun can make such a difference.

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

DJ2 said:

lol

im not sure i appreciate you calling me slick

what are you implying?

DJ2 · Apr 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

That you purposely left out "your".

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

DJ2 said:

well i did not leave anything out on purpose

so if that is what youre accusing me of

i can say with confidence

and i know God hears all things

i did not leave "your" out on purpose

i also dont see what difference it makes...

we work out OUR salvation

not work for OUR salvation

we also dont work AT it

tourist · Apr 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

This member just takes pleasure in nitpicking and causing strife. I wouldn't pay him any mind.

NoNameMcgee · Apr 4, 2018

tourist said:

God bless you brother.... im about to take my leave anyways

tourist · Apr 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

God bless you too as well, my friend.

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