How To Be Un-Saved
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By your words you will be justified and or condemned...who is accusing...I am stating facts based upon the things you say and peddle.....end of story.....and like the old saying...if the boot fits.....
Your reference to JUDAS...not JUDAH and it is plain as day you peddle he was saved and then lost it...man you sure are deceptive...!!
YOUR WORDS
If then we sin willfully? After all of that?? There's nothing left for us. Nothing. This is why Judas is forever lost as an example. He tasted of the kingdom.
Your reference to JUDAS...not JUDAH and it is plain as day you peddle he was saved and then lost it...man you sure are deceptive...!!
YOUR WORDS
If then we sin willfully? After all of that?? There's nothing left for us. Nothing. This is why Judas is forever lost as an example. He tasted of the kingdom.
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That wasn't the question... the question is, do you believe that either I or Ralph stated or implied what you said -
Their version-->He that believes on the son, does 9654892 works plus 1, is Bap-tized wet, states the Lord's prayer 67 times, yells 47 hail Marys, plays with the plastic beads 89 times, confesses to some man in a box, back flips down the isle while saying mumbo jumbo 33 times super fast in some jibber jabbish, keeps all 613 laws 24/7/365 their whole life, never sins, does more works etc....might have eternal life as long as they, like the instructions on shampoo, rinse and repeat the above numerous times....
Their version-->He that believes on the son, does 9654892 works plus 1, is Bap-tized wet, states the Lord's prayer 67 times, yells 47 hail Marys, plays with the plastic beads 89 times, confesses to some man in a box, back flips down the isle while saying mumbo jumbo 33 times super fast in some jibber jabbish, keeps all 613 laws 24/7/365 their whole life, never sins, does more works etc....might have eternal life as long as they, like the instructions on shampoo, rinse and repeat the above numerous times....
Just another false gospel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that devalues Christ, voids his promises and power and is a slap in the face of JESUS.....
We are KEPT by the POWER of GOD <---If JESUS cannot keep us and WE must do something to remain saved...he is very weak, inept and his promises mean nothing.....!
I BELIEVE he KEEPS his word, is ALL powerful and does not need my help to KEEP me SAVED by HIS POWER!
We are KEPT by the POWER of GOD <---If JESUS cannot keep us and WE must do something to remain saved...he is very weak, inept and his promises mean nothing.....!
I BELIEVE he KEEPS his word, is ALL powerful and does not need my help to KEEP me SAVED by HIS POWER!
well i did not leave anything out on purpose
so if that is what youre accusing me of
i can say with confidence
and i know God hears all things
i did not leave "your" out on purpose
i also dont see what difference it makes...
we work out OUR salvation
not work for OUR salvation
we also dont work AT it
so if that is what youre accusing me of
i can say with confidence
and i know God hears all things
i did not leave "your" out on purpose
i also dont see what difference it makes...
we work out OUR salvation
not work for OUR salvation
we also dont work AT it
well i did not leave anything out on purpose
so if that is what youre accusing me of
i can say with confidence
and i know God hears all things
i did not leave "your" out on purpose
i also dont see what difference it makes...
we work out OUR salvation
not work for OUR salvation
we also dont work AT it
so if that is what youre accusing me of
i can say with confidence
and i know God hears all things
i did not leave "your" out on purpose
i also dont see what difference it makes...
we work out OUR salvation
not work for OUR salvation
we also dont work AT it
Your bringing up prepositional examples that are not there has no bearing on the issue. What you left out was a pronoun and inserted a preposition in your juxtapose. Offering a unfair comparison. In other words, slick.
If someone is told to "work out your debt with hard work and penny pinching" would that not imply the hard work and penny pinching was for the getting out of debt? The verbiage is clear and does not change to suit faith alone regeneration theology.
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false accusation
followed by strawman...
do you think we are told to pay off (work out from your definition) our debt?
in context?
no....
we aren't.... Jesus takes our debt.....
all of it
we do what we do out of love
not the need to pay any debt off
i dont care if you think im "slick"
i have been nothing but honest with you since your thread on assurance
i truely do hope you come to a point where you KNOW you are safe
and your assurance is full
seeing as how it comes only from the promises of God
His sacrifice
and His righteousness
followed by strawman...
do you think we are told to pay off (work out from your definition) our debt?
in context?
no....
we aren't.... Jesus takes our debt.....
all of it
we do what we do out of love
not the need to pay any debt off
i dont care if you think im "slick"
i have been nothing but honest with you since your thread on assurance
i truely do hope you come to a point where you KNOW you are safe
and your assurance is full
seeing as how it comes only from the promises of God
His sacrifice
and His righteousness
Yes this is the Father's will.
This is also the Father's will:
Just as some that believeth on Him may have everlasting life but may not, so also many who the father wills to not perish will still perish. [/FONT]
This is also the Father's will:
[FONT="]KJV[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2nd Peter 3:9Just as some that believeth on Him may have everlasting life but may not, so also many who the father wills to not perish will still perish. [/FONT]
Its a parallel example to show the meaning stays the same even if the subject is changed. There isn't even a context to worry about! Its a stand alone example! My comment is not a strawman! Your
is a distracting strawman.
I have been honest with you and that's what stings.
equals universal reconciliation.
But
His sacrifice and His righteousness properly accepted equals salvation.
I have been honest with you and that's what stings.
equals universal reconciliation.
But
His sacrifice and His righteousness properly accepted equals salvation.
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i said in context
pointing to the what the words "work out" in scripture mean as opposed to how you used them in your "example"
then if your example was meant to have any meaning here
debt would have had to represent salvation....
also i never said anything universalist
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nothing you say stings dj
but im worried about you....
you are very dishonest with your approach
pointing to the what the words "work out" in scripture mean as opposed to how you used them in your "example"
then if your example was meant to have any meaning here
debt would have had to represent salvation....
also i never said anything universalist
:/
nothing you say stings dj
but im worried about you....
you are very dishonest with your approach
Notice that Paul said to "work out" your salvation in Philippians 2:12 and not "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ. This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer (vs. 13) to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith.
Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, perfect life (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ (Romans 5:1). Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is an ongoing process. Philippians 2:12 is often misused to instill fear into people, warning them that it means that they can lose salvation. Paul can hardly be encouraging believers to live in a continuous condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would contradict his many other exhortations to peace of mind, courage, and confidence in Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith.
The Greek word translated "fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence" or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in (2 Corinthians 7:15) where he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him “with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility and respect for his position as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with much trembling” (1 Corinthians 2:3), mindful of the great and awesome nature of the work in which he was engaged.
Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, perfect life (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ (Romans 5:1). Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is an ongoing process. Philippians 2:12 is often misused to instill fear into people, warning them that it means that they can lose salvation. Paul can hardly be encouraging believers to live in a continuous condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would contradict his many other exhortations to peace of mind, courage, and confidence in Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith.
The Greek word translated "fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence" or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in (2 Corinthians 7:15) where he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him “with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility and respect for his position as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with much trembling” (1 Corinthians 2:3), mindful of the great and awesome nature of the work in which he was engaged.
