Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

[JaumeJ]

I need a Mediator and I have Him always in my heart, Jesus Christ.


Any who believe the law is dead, no longer have need of a mediator.

I am dead to the law, for death, the sting of the law was destroyed on the cross, yet

as Jesus teaches the law is still in vigor for me according to His teaching.......

Jesus has fulfilled the law for me, but He cannot for those who have destroyed it for in so
doing and thinking there can be no mediation they have put themselves above His gift

Yes, I will need Jesus Christ forever........Do not teach the law is no more simply because you do
not understand how it is fulfilled.

 

[PS]

I need a Mediator and I have Him always in my heart, Jesus Christ.


Any who believe the law is dead, no longer have need of a mediator.

I am dead to the law, for death, the sting of the law was destroyed on the cross, yet

as Jesus teaches the law is still in vigor for me according to His teaching.......

Jesus has fulfilled the law for me, but He cannot for those who have destroyed it for in so
doing and thinking there can be no mediation they have put themselves above His gift

Yes, I will need Jesus Christ forever........Do not teach the law is no more simply because you do
not understand how it is fulfilled.

We are all condemned by the law until we come to Jesus believing and in repentance. Then we are redeemed from the law.

Those who do not come to Christ for forgiveness of sins are still under the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

Boy now I have heard it all.

"Redeemed from the Law."

We are redeemed from the guilt of our sin. If we should sin again, since Jesus has informed us the law is NOT destroyed but fulfilled, we have our blessed Mediator, Jesus Christ, our High Priest.

Anyone who knows Jesus and just some of the law knows that the majority of the laws have become uselesw because He had fulfilled all of the law.

How can this be? Because, as I have already posted, He is the only sacrifice.....no sacrificial laws, He is the High priest over us, His royal priesthood, not Levitical laws need be anymore. and so on.

Yet the law is? How can that be, for He is the fulfillment of the law for you, for me,and for all who believe Him, and a major part of believing Him is to hear His teaching.

Jesus says, and He cannot lie, the law is still in vigor, but as He only teaches. If one does not know how He teaches, then that one should not be telling others not to worry any more about the law, for Jesus teaches anyone teaching against the least of these laws WILL BE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM.

Hear the Word of the Lord. This is not from my own teaching, for I have none of my own, it is the Teacher's instructions...do ot label Him as in error.

We are all condemned by the law until we come to Jesus believing and in repentance. Then we are redeemed from the law.

Those who do not come to Christ for forgiveness of sins are still under the law.

 

[PS]

Boy now I have heard it all.

"Redeemed from the Law."

We are redeemed from the guilt of our sin. If we should sin again, since Jesus has informed us the law is NOT destroyed but fulfilled, we have our blessed Mediator, Jesus Christ, our High Priest.

Anyone who knows Jesus and just some of the law knows that the majority of the laws have become uselesw because He had fulfilled all of the law.

How can this be? Because, as I have already posted, He is the only sacrifice.....no sacrificial laws, He is the High priest over us, His royal priesthood, not Levitical laws need be anymore. and so on.

Yet the law is? How can that be, for He is the fulfillment of the law for you, for me,and for all who believe Him, and a major part of believing Him is to hear His teaching.

Jesus says, and He cannot lie, the law is still in vigor, but as He only teaches. If one does not know how He teaches, then that one should not be telling others not to worry any more about the law, for Jesus teaches anyone teaching against the least of these laws WILL BE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM.

Hear the Word of the Lord. This is not from my own teaching, for I have none of my own, it is the Teacher's instructions...do ot label Him as in error.

I find it very sad when people, who obviously do not know what they are talking about, come on and say to those who do know the subject, Boy now I have heard it all.

That is downright rude and plain ignorant. You need a proper Christian education. Here is part 1.

2321 Jesus Christ, as redeemer
Jesus Christ redeems believers from all forms of sinful bondage and oppression through his death and resurrection. The price of that redemption, his own death, represents a ransom paid to secure the freedom of those held in bondage to sin.

The incarnate God as redeemer
God as redeemer Isa 63:16 See also Job 19:25; Isa 49:26; Isa 59:20; Lk 1:68-75

Jesus Christ as redeemer 1Co 1:30

Forms of bondage from which Jesus Christ redeems believers
Jesus Christ redeems from slavery to sin Rev 1:5 See also Ps 130:8; Ro 3:23-24; Ro 6:18,22; Tit 2:14; Tit 3:3-5; 1Pe 3:18

Jesus Christ redeems from the curse of the law Gal 3:13 See also Gal 4:4-5

Jesus Christ redeems from empty religion 1Pe 1:18 See also Gal 4:3; Col 2:20; Heb 9:14 fn

Jesus Christ redeems from the power of Satan Col 1:13 See also Ac 26:18; Gal 1:4

Jesus Christ redeems from the coming judgment 1Th 1:10 See also Ro 5:9; Ro 8:1-2; 1Th 5:9

Jesus Christ redeems from death Heb 2:14-15 See also Hos 13:14; 1Co 15:54-57

The means by which Jesus Christ has redeemed believers
Redemption comes through the incarnation of Jesus Christ Gal 4:4-5 See also Ro 8:3; Heb 2:14

Jesus Christ redeems by his sacrificial death Heb 9:12 See also 2Co 5:21; Eph 1:7; 1Pe 1:18-19; Rev 1:5

Jesus Christ redeems by paying a ransom Mt 20:28 pp Mk 10:45 See also Ac 20:28; Heb 9:15; Rev 5:9

The purposes for which Jesus Christ redeems believers
Jesus Christ redeems believers so that their sins may be forgiven Eph 1:7 See also Ac 26:18; Col 1:14; Heb 9:15; 1Jn 1:7

Jesus Christ redeems believers to make them pure Tit 2:14 See also 1Co 6:19-20; 1Co 7:23

Jesus Christ redeems believers so that they may receive God’s promised blessings Gal 3:14 See also Gal 4:5; Gal 5:1; Heb 9:15

Jesus Christ redeems believers so that they may receive final redemption Ro 8:23 See also Lk 21:28; Eph 1:14; Eph 4:30

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/dictionary-of-bible-themes/2321-Jesus-Christ-as-redeemer

 

[JaumeJ]

Yes, the curse of the sin, which is death we are saved from when we confess Jesus christ.

Death was destroyed on the cross, but only for those who repent of sin, otherwise it sill exists for them

Although the guilt of our sin is overlooked because Jesus Christ fulfilled the law for us, the law is
not destroyed.

We are not counted guilty of our sin pas or when we fail in the future, though we are being perfected, we
are not perfect and will not be perfected until God finishes that work He began in us. We do not perfect ourselves
He is doing that work.-

Now if you believe you are already perfect then you no longer need the Mediator, but you will be alone in that regard and that means alone.

My sharing of what the Master teaches in past posts has demonstrated by His words, not by mine, that what I share is true.

It is a shame some refuse to hear Him

 

[Jackson123]

"The law" is a term which can apply to several things, depending on the context:

1. The Whole Bible

2. The Old Testament

3. The Torah (the Law of Moses)

4. The Ten Commandments

Therefore the Law can and does included prophecy starting in Genesis.

[h=2]Definition of law[/h]1a (1) : a binding custom or practice of a community : a rule of conduct or action prescribed (see prescribe 1a) or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority
(2) : the whole body of such customs, practices, or rules

• The courts exist to uphold, interpret, and apply the law.

(3) : common law

b (1) : the control brought about by the existence or enforcement of such law

• preserved law and order in the town

(2) : the action of laws considered as a means of redressing wrongs; also : litigation

• developed the habit of going to law over the slightest provocation
• —H. A. Overstreet

(3) : the agency of or an agent of established law

• When he saw that the fighting was escalating, he called in the law.

c : a rule or order that it is advisable or obligatory to observe

• a lawof self-preservation

d : something compatible with or enforceable by established law

• The decrees were judged not to be law and were therefore rescinded.

e : control, authority

• The child submits to no law.

2a often capitalized : the revelation of the will of God set forth in the Old Testament b capitalized : the first part of the Jewish scriptures : pentateuch, torah — see bible table

3: a rule of construction or procedure

• the laws of poetry

4: the whole body of laws relating to one subject

• criminal law

• probate law

5a : the legal profession

• studied for a career in law

b : law as a department of knowledge : jurisprudence
c : legal knowledge

• a man with much history but little law

6a : a statement of an order or relation of phenomena that so far as is known is invariable under the given conditions

• a law of thermodynamics

• Boyle's law

b : a general relation proved or assumed to hold between mathematical or logical expressions

— at law: under or within the provisions of the law

• enforceable at law

let say history about how David is that a law?

prophesy about second coming, is that a law?

 

[JaumeJ]

To say and teach that we are "free of the law"" in the sense of being free fro obedience is not teaching against the least of the laws rmaining according to Jesus Christ, it is teaching against all of the laws that remain........

You who say you love God and your fellows please love God enough to learn what Jesus teaches, otherwise all of that love is just a word used by the lips to give empty service.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Jesus says, and He cannot lie, the law is still in vigor, but as He only teaches. If one does not know how He teaches, then that one should not be telling others not to worry any more about the law, for Jesus teaches anyone teaching against the least of these laws WILL BE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM.

Why is it that you people don't get it? In the same breath you say "salvation through Christ only" and at the same time you say "we're still under the Law."

Do you understand the concept of "new covenant?"

Also, the scripture actually says "anyone who teaches anyone to break the least of these commandments," which we are not doing. We are telling you that Christ fulfilled the Law, satisfying it completely, bringing it to its fruition. Why are still trying to put yourself under the Law, when Jesus fulfilled it perfectly?

If one puts himself under the Law, then he has to keep the entire law, not just bits and pieces. And when you break just one Law, you've broken the entire Law. How do get through Romans and Galatians and not understand that we are saved by Grace through faith and this not by our own efforts, it is the gift of God,not by works lest anyone should boast or try to take credit.

The problem with you and others who don't understand salvation, is that you equate not being under the law with free will to sin. Those who are truly trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for them, are led by the Spirit of Christ. Their desire is to keep control over their bodies and to not sin against God. But when they fail, they go to God the Father and ask for forgiveness in the name of His Son and are cleansed of all unrighteousness.

I don't even think of the Law to meet its requirements, but meditate on God and His word day and night. Keeping the works of the law cannot save anyone.

Everyone who has the Spirit is zealous for good works and that for the purpose of glorifying God, not to obtain or maintain salvation because Jesus already took care of that. Scripture also states that by our good works we are building up our treasures in heaven. But salvation has already been provided by having faith in the shed blood of Christ. As soon as one brings in his own works/efforts along side of Christ's finished work as a requirement for salvation, they are then trusting in their own efforts. It's the equivalent to saying that His sacrifice was insufficient.

As the believer goes from faith to faith, he continues in sanctification, which is the process of being made holy and which is a life-long process. It will come to its fulfillment when the body is resurrected, immortal and glorified.

In the true believer's spirit, salvation has already been accomplished by Christ. At that moment, the believer is credited with the righteousness of Christ and is reconciled to God. God then sees that person with the perfect life of Christ. Christ has also taken upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves, so that God's wrath no longer rests on the believer. And the Lord paid the penalty for every believers sins. We are free in Christ. Therefore, let us use our freedom, not to fulfill the desires of the sinful nature, but to offer our bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is our reasonable act of spiritual service of worship.

 

[JaumeJ]

Do not say I have ever declared we are "under the law." It sounds as though you are under your own law.

I have repeated, you guy, that the law is fulfilled in and for my by Jesus Christ.

This means I live in His mercy and in His grace.

This doe snot mean I would ever teach agains the laws that must yet be fulfilled in others......if you do not understand this
that is no excuse to come in labeling all as under the law.

Listen to Jesus Christ....He has taught all the law is yet valid according tow how H ehas and is fulfilling it..

 

[Jackson123]

To say and teach that we are "free of the law"" in the sense of being free fro obedience is not teaching against the least of the laws rmaining according to Jesus Christ, it is teaching against all of the laws that remain........

You who say you love God and your fellows please love God enough to learn what Jesus teaches, otherwise all of that love is just a word used by the lips to give empty service.

i believe these verses below is a law of God and as a child of God we must obey


Numbers 15
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

do you teach people to obey this law or against ?

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus fulfills the law in all of us, not us. We are not under the law, but we are expected to at least obey Him.

How can anyone obey Him if they do not know what He teaches?

 

[PS]

Do not say I have ever declared we are "under the law." It sounds as though you are under your own law.

I have repeated, you guy, that the law is fulfilled in and for my by Jesus Christ.

This means I live in His mercy and in His grace.

This doe snot mean I would ever teach agains the laws that must yet be fulfilled in others......if you do not understand this
that is no excuse to come in labeling all as under the law.

Listen to Jesus Christ....He has taught all the law is yet valid according tow how H ehas and is fulfilling it..

Thanks for wasting my time. You are on ignore.

 

[JaumeJ]

As long as you continue to endeavor to learn the teaching of Jesus Christ as our Savior, I am quite at peace with your ignoing me,just do not put Him on ignore.

Thanks for wasting my time. You are on ignore.

 

[lightbearer]

the trap is - you and others keep trying to tie the law into salvation by grace through faith for good works. you and others keep inserting Sabbath keeping into salvation. not there though.

The Sabbath is of the Decalogue; the Law. The New Covenant is that the Law has been placed in our hearts and minds. It is much more than that though. It is that the Word;Christ is in our hearts and mouths. That is the Faith in which Paul through Christ taught and that is the Faith in which we are to preach because that is what Faith comes from. From GOD's working on our hearts through the unity that we have with Christ.

 

[lightbearer]

Originally Posted by lightbearer

Let's take a look at the Greek word translated hang in the translation you used.

From BDAG:

.... fig. (Philo, Post. Cai. 24; 25; SibOr 7, 55) ἐν ταύταις τ. δυσὶν ἐντολαῖς ὅλος ὁ νόμος κρέμαται καὶ οἱ προφῆται all the law and the prophets hang (depend) on these two commandments Mt 22:40 (as a door hangs on its hinges, so the whole OT hangs on these two comm. For the thought cp. Plut., Mor. 116d.—On κ. ἐν cp. 2 Km 18:9; Billerb. I 775ff; 967f).—DELG. M-M. TW.

Thayer's unabridged Lexicon:

...Mat_22:40, where the meaning is, all the Law and the Prophets (i. e. the teaching of the O. T. on morality) is summed up in these two precepts. (Compare: ἐκκρέμαμαι.)

Mounce's concise Greek Dictionary:

G2910
κρεμάννυμι kremannymi 7x
also spelled κρέμαμαι and κρεμάζω, to hang, suspend, Act_5:30; Act_10:39;
pass. to be hung, suspended, Mat_18:6; Luk_23:39;
mid. κρέμαμαι, to hang, be suspended, Act_28:4; Gal_3:13;
met. κρέμαμαι ἐν, to hang upon, to be referable to as an ultimate principle, Mat_22:40

Hang as in depends not nullify.

Summed up as in summarized. The Ultimate principle.


The Law; the Word through Christ is in our hearts, minds and mouths. It is no longer a ministry to which we obey that which is on parchment and Tables of Stone but one of the fleshly tables of the Heart; not of the Letter but of the Spirit.

If you would have thought a little bit more I think you would have had it.

The door is the law. The Hing is the 2 commands. On one side, your living an obedient life, on the other side, your living in self righteousness

without the hinges, You can push on the door (the law) all you want. you will end up with self righteousness. because you can never get to the other side. But add the hinges, And the opens easily with no power. And you walk in righteous living,

The door is the barrier,

Just like the law is the barrier, as it condemns those who are not saved, and to those who are saved, it can only produce self righteousness. as the person keeps trying tp push on that door expending all their energy trying to be obedient and continually failing.

We can do nothing in and of ourselves. But with GOD; HE who is LOVE all things are possible.

The verse says, "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."(Mat 22:40 KJV)

In other words the Commandments depend on the love of Christ; the Word in our hearts and mouths.

And what is the LOVE of Christ? He loved the LORD our GOD with all His heart, mind and soul and HIS neighbor as himself.

On this LOVE depends all the Law and the Prophets.

 

[PS]

We can do nothing in and of ourselves. But with GOD; HE who is LOVE all things are possible.

The verse says, "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."(Mat 22:40 KJV)

In other words the Commandments depend on the love of Christ; the Word in our hearts and mouths.

And what is the LOVE of Christ? He loved the LORD our GOD with all His heart, mind and soul and HIS neighbor as himself.

On this LOVE depends all the Law and the Prophets.

Of course we cannot do anything in and of ourselves, what do you think Jesus was doing?

 

[mailmandan]

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I am sticking with the Word which became Flesh MMD. You can listen to religious man if you like.

You are not fooling me and if I wanted to listen to religious man then I would have remained a member of the Roman Catholic church and an unbeliever who was "religious" but not right with God.

Paul teaches the Gospel of Christ is where the Wrath and the Righteousness of God is revealed. That is the Old Testament. There is no other place to find these things. Only one spirit would want to erase these two things and it isn't the Spirit of Christ.

Just because Romans 1:17 says "the righteousness of God is revealed" and ends with "the just shall live by faith" and Habakkuk 2:4 says "the just shall live by faith" does not mean the Gospel of Christ that Paul preached (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) is preached in Habakkuk 2:4 and all throughout the Old Testament. Can you show me the word "Gospel" in the Old Testament? Only one spirit would want to pervert the Gospel and it isn't the Spirit of Christ (Galatians 1:6-9).

Habakkuk confirms what the Law and Prophets teach, which is the "Just shall live by Faith". It is the old Testament.

The "just shall live by faith" is true of all believers, but is not the specific "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the Gospel (Ephesians 3:6) that Paul preached. That is not preached in the Old Testament because it was still a mystery (Ephesians 3:1-9).

Duet 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God (word which became Flesh) require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Deuteronomy 10:12 -- Old Testament, Old Covenant, written to Israel. What does that have to do with the Gospel that Paul preached under the New Covenant?

This is called "FAITH" as the Faith Chapter clearly teaches. Where can we find the many examples of Faith written for our admonition? How many of the examples of faith were not from the Old Testament you reject as the "Old Covenant"?

Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Who said that I reject examples of faith? Another straw man argument. In Hebrews 11, notice in all of these occurrences that is was "by" or "out of" faith, not faith is in essence, these acts of obedience/works. Their faith was genuine and it was shown by their actions (works) so all of these works accomplished in Hebrews 11 were done "by" or "out of" faith, but those works are not the essence of faith, but are the evidence (fruit) of faith. That is absolutely critical to understand! We are saved through faith at it's origin and not at some time later, based on the merit of works. Faith is the root of salvation and works which follow are the fruit. No fruit at all demonstrates there is no root.

Where does Paul say he teaches from?

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

and again;

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (Jew and Gentile) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

And where does he find this information?

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

This is the Good News of the Gospel of Christ that Paul taught. Not what the Catholic church or her daughters preach, but the true Gospel of Christ.

Just because it was prophesied in the Old Testament that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles (Acts 26:23) does not mean the Gospel that Paul preached in Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 3:1-9 was preached in the Old Testament. The Gospel that came by revelation to Paul from Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.

In Matthew 16:15, Jesus Christ asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Now Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified and resurrected. He only believed that Jesus was the Messiah at this time. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. Looking back upon this passage we see this as Jesus speaking of an event that would change the history of the world. However, it is unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem,…And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:31-34. hmm... that's strange if the Gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that was being preached from the roof tops in the Old Testament or even in the New Testament, prior to the death of Jesus. *This is where you need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24).

It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding (Luke 24:44-47).

Paul has just told you it is what man calls the Old Testament. Can you accept it?

I can accept the Old Testament, but I cannot accept mixing the Old Covenant with the New Covenant. Can you accept Ephesians 3:1-9?

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Gospel of Christ, Old Testament) You preach a different Gospel MMD, one that rejects the Word which became Flesh, and creates another Gospel, therefore we have a disagreement, much like Jesus and the Pharisees which also created a "different doctrine" from the Commandments of Men, and not from God.

I actually believe all that the prophets have spoken and I am NOT preaching a different Gospel but am preaching the Gospel that Paul preached (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) but sadly, you are preaching a different gospel of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works," just like SDA's and other modern day Judaizers/misguided teachers of the law.

You also preach falsehoods about the New Covenant.

The Word which became Flesh tells us in His Gospel.

It's you who preaches falsehoods about the New Covenant and about the Gospel. It also appears that you confuse the Gospel that Paul preached with everything that is written in the 4 Gospel accounts - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. LoveGodForever made the same mistake. He basically just labeled everything that is written in the Bible, the Gospel.

Jer.31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Absolutely zero mention of destroying God's Instructions, changing them, amending them, replacing them with a different set of instructions, NOTHING.

Amen to Jeremiah 31:33-34, but I can see that you still have not made the transition to the New Covenant and seem to believe that the entire Mosaic law is written in our hearts and nothing has changed from the Old Covenant in spite of Hebrews 8:13.

Since the entire old covenant law was nailed to the cross, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. He abolished the old covenant to "put legally into place" the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the New Command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

More exhaustive list:

Matthew 2:2; 2:8; 2:11; 4:9; 4:10; 14:33; 15:9; 28:9; 28:17, Mark 7:7, Luke 4:7; 4:8; 24:52, John 4:20,21,22,23,24; 9:38; 12:20, Acts 7:43; 8:27; 16:14; 17:23; 18:7; 18:13; 19:27; 24:11, Romans 1:25; 12:1, 1 Corinthians 14:25, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 1:6; 9:1; 9:6; 10:2; 11:21, Revelation 4:10; 5:14; 7:11; 9:20; 11:1; 11:16; 14:7; 15:4; 19:4; 19:10; 22:8; 22:9

Acts 15:20,29, Romans 1:25, 1 Corinthians 6:9; Chapter 8; 10:7,14; 12:2, 2 Corinthians 6:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:9, Galatians 5:20, Ephesians 5:5, Colossians 3:5, 1 Peter 4:3, 1 John 5:21, Revelation 2:14, 20; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15

Matthew 12:36, Ephesians 5:4, Romans 2:24, Revelation 16:9

Matthew 15:5, Matthew 19:19, Mark 7:10; 10:19, Luke 18:20, Ephesians 6:2

Matthew 5:21; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 1:29; 13:9, James 2:11

Matthew 5:27,28,32; 19:9,18, Mark 10:11,19, Luke 16:18; 18:20, Romans 13:9, James 2:11, 2 Peter 2:14

Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 2:21; 13:9, Ephesians 4:28

Matthew 15:9; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20

Mark 7:22, Luke 12:15, Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9, Ephesians 5:3, Colossians 3:5, Hebrews 13:5, 2 Peter 2:14

 

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Originally Posted by Studyman He speaks to 2 things here.

#1. How God's Law is administered or mediated. No more Levite Priests to filter the Word.

#2. How sins are forgiven. No more Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.

Hebrews 7 confirms this.

You are free to show me in the scriptures where the new covenant is the replacement of the entire old testament if you can. So far I have asked most of your pals to show this, and they can't. Because it is a creation of man, not God.

The New Covenant is the replacement of the Old Covenant (Hebrews 8:13). Who is trying to replace the entire old testament and why are you so in love with the old testament? Because it contains the law and you are seeking justification by the law? I have bad news for you if that's the case.

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

The Pope and "many" others who come in His Name preach this different covenant. One where you create your own righteousness and laws and write them on your own heart. A Covenant that destroys the righteousness of God and creates another.

What do we read about the righteousness of God?

Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

A covenant that erases the Wrath of God, and replaces it with a long haired men's hair shampoo model that has no wrath.

Ridiculous straw man argument.

The Jews were still pushing the Levitical Priesthood that the Jesus of the Bible changed as it is written. They still performed the Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. These are those who "bewitched" the Galatians.

And what makes you and your judaizing buddies any better?

"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

It's by the hearing of faith, of course and not by works of the law, including your pet laws in the old testament.

Because you have so little respect for the Word which became Flesh and His Gospel that Paul preached, you can't even see what is right in front of you.

False accusation and there is a reason why you can't see what is right in front of you. *See 2 Corinthians 4:3,4.

I am not SDA, nor do I belong to any organized religion. I am not perfect but I know God knows better than I so I let Him and His Word's guide my path and not religions which preach falsehoods. I belong to the same Church as Abel and Abraham and Noah and Caleb, and Stephen and Zechariahs and Peter and Cornelius and Rehab and John, and all those mentioned in Heb. 11. And the Head of this Church is the Word which became Flesh, the Christ of the Old Testament who became a man to show us the Way.

Just like SDA's you are completely mixed up.

REv. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The best way to intepret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction."20 The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13) According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)
Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3) Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)

From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:

To believe in Jesus Christ
To love one another

BTY to word "keep" (Greek word "tereo") means:

Strong's Concordance
téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Short Definition: I keep, guard, observe
Definition: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.
HELPS Word-studies
5083 tēréō (from tēros, "a guard") – properly, maintain (preserve); (figuratively) spiritually guard (watch), keep intact.

It does not mean sinless, perfect obedience to the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament under the Mosaic Law.

 

[Studyman]

Yep it is all there

1. Love the lord Your god with all your heart mind and soul
2. love your neighbor as yourself

IN THESE CONTAIN ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS.

Thew law fulfilled its purpose in leading me to Christ, Now that I have found Christ, I want to be LIKE Christ, WHo lived his life with those TWO commands as his purpose. and in doing so, NEVER broke one command found in mosaic law or any other law.

He is our example. And that is the way I will follow

Its all there Studyman, all you have to do is HUMBLE yourself to see it (and live up to your namesake)

Yes, you must deflect and change the subject away from your preaching and onto something else. You have become quite good at it. But I'm going to stick to the issue here and that is your preaching.

Interesting how preaching against what you guys call "Mosaic Law" that you say nobody can follow, and those who try are "legalists", leads you to Christ? How did rejecting His Laws lead you to Him?

If that were true then the Pharisees should have been model Christians.

I believe what Paul is speaking about in Galatians is the Jews version of the Priesthood and it's "works of the Law" that was to symbolize Christ's Sacrifice. Isn't that what the sacrificial "works of the Law" were really all about? He was speaking about "works of the Law". Do you teach that Loving God and others are "Works of the Law" the Pharisees were performing to "bewitch" the Galatians? Like you would ever engage in that discussion.

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. These two don't erase the Law and Prophets.

The preaching that the "Tutor" is these Laws, and that we don't need them after we find Jesus is certainly not supported by the rest of the Bible. But I digress.

Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came. What was the difference between Him and the Pharisees?

Oops I forgot. To you it's either my way, or your way. God's Words really don't have much to do with it.

Jesus never taught that the Pharisees were trying to "Earn" Salvation by following God's Laws EG.

You preach this, the Pope preaches this, but Jesus never did.

The Pharisees had created their own Religion, with their own version of the Christ's Sabbath, He created for man. Their own version of God's Holy Feasts, their own image of God created in the likeness of man. There is no getting around this truth if the Bible is the source.

They also claimed to be Children of God. When Jesus showed them in the Same Scriptures they claim to abide by, that they had been deceived and were preaching falsehoods, did they repent? Or did they strike out at the vessel that showed them their error?

My beef with you is that you preach things about the scriptures that are not true. You can not defend them with scriptures, they are simply falsehoods. We have all been deceived at one pint or another. You have been shown this error in your preaching. The scriptures show examples of the two choices you have.


#1. When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

Or

#2.Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

I don't think God intended us to "LOVE" Him by creating our own religion and telling falsehoods about His Word to justify some ancient man made religious traditions, or to "LOVE" others by teaching them these same untruths. It didn't work for the Mainstream Preachers of His time. I don't believe it will work for you according to the Scriptures.

 

[Studyman]

by the way, Abraham Issac and Jacob never had the law. yet they obeyed Gods commands. How? They learned to TRUST GOD and love as he loves. They did not need no law to show them how to love others.. The law could not do that anyway, all it can possibly do is tell you how much you fall short. which is its purpose.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

That you preach God didn't give him.

Duet. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

I know what you preach. It just isn't the same as what the Word which became Flesh teaches.