Mortal and Venial sins

[Ariel82]

By "Law of Moses" I mean the 613 mitzvot.

I agree that if a Christian lusts after someone for a considerable amount of time they are actually committing adultery, and it is even worst if they attempt a sexual encounter -- even if it fails the person will be guilty just the same.

I don't think, however, that lusting after someone for a few seconds or minutes is the same as committing adultery. If it were, nobody would be saved!

James 1:15 ►
New International Version
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death

I believe there is different levels of sin and that sin is not "full grown" until someone commits it and then denies its a sin when confronted by God or His messengers...when people refuse to repent.

For example Adam and Eve never admitted it was their choice or asked for forgivness but blamed someone else.

People still do that today. Its hard to confess and ask for forgiveness but it's necessary to overcome sin by admitting its wrong and then asking God for help to learn another way of coping and living.

 

[joefizz]

Any one that is a slave to sin and call themselves a Christian is fooling themselves. When people commit sin and enjoy the sin they commit,they are weak.

Yep we are weak in flesh and strong in Christ,and with sin "remorse" is key,granted there are still sins that people may delight in without noticing yet still be Christians a few examples include....
1.Pride/gloating/vanity-who doesn't like telling others that they are saved and have scripture for support?
We all typically believe we "have it right" and like butting heads so to speak but Insults and Falsities is when we "shame ourselves" where as those of unbelief delight in being shameful.
2.Idle contentment-Now you'll always see me telling people that faith alone saves or better yet that only Jesus saves but you won't seem me tell someone that they should be a "Idle content" person and what I mean by this is "taking God/Jesus for granted" now true enough once we're saved we have nothing to fear of damnation but one's "idleness" can reflect if one actually "cares for and serves God/Jesus" thus not being saved only claiming Jesus in name and title never "bringing him into" their live.
Now at times one may see me "Idle" but that doesn't mean I'm headed for hell it can just mean I'm "weary" or "weak" everybody gets "weak" at times it doesn't matter if you're the healthiest,strongest,or most looking person there are times when a person can't muster much strength and must "rest" and during that time satan tries to get us to "stumble" that's why a person needs to remember to "rest in Christ" not just rest in general and be "appreciative" not merely "content",think of Daniel he went through quite a "tough life" yet he thanked God daily,3 times a day,in prayer never willing to be content or take God for granted,but rather "thankful/appreciative" there in lies the difference between one of unbelief whom claims Jesus and one of humble belief who "appreciates him" and "loves him" and is "willing to serve him","claiming" Jesus as one's Lord is quite different from "knowing" whom you serve.

 

[joefizz]

Yep we are weak in flesh and strong in Christ,and with sin "remorse" is key,granted there are still sins that people may delight in without noticing yet still be Christians a few examples include....
1.Pride/gloating/vanity-who doesn't like telling others that they are saved and have scripture for support?
We all typically believe we "have it right" and like butting heads so to speak but Insults and Falsities is when we "shame ourselves" where as those of unbelief delight in being shameful.
2.Idle contentment-Now you'll always see me telling people that faith alone saves or better yet that only Jesus saves but you won't seem me tell someone that they should be a "Idle content" person and what I mean by this is "taking God/Jesus for granted" now true enough once we're saved we have nothing to fear of damnation but one's "idleness" can reflect if one actually "cares for and serves God/Jesus" thus not being saved only claiming Jesus in name and title never "bringing him into" their live.
Now at times one may see me "Idle" but that doesn't mean I'm headed for hell it can just mean I'm "weary" or "weak" everybody gets "weak" at times it doesn't matter if you're the healthiest,strongest,or most looking person there are times when a person can't muster much strength and must "rest" and during that time satan tries to get us to "stumble" that's why a person needs to remember to "rest in Christ" not just rest in general and be "appreciative" not merely "content",think of Daniel he went through quite a "tough life" yet he thanked God daily,3 times a day,in prayer never willing to be content or take God for granted,but rather "thankful/appreciative" there in lies the difference between one of unbelief whom claims Jesus and one of humble belief who "appreciates him" and "loves him" and is "willing to serve him","claiming" Jesus as one's Lord is quite different from "knowing" whom you serve.

Oh and for anyone curious I've finally got antibiotics for my head and ear pressure problem(hence the long post I suppose lol) and in time am likely to be joining in a lot more,around Christian Chat,been slacking on praying and welcoming,and bible discussions(which has really irritated me) and even lately haven't been much on even singles forum mingling,I can't wait to "really be back"!

 

[loverofjesus27]

Yep we are weak in flesh and strong in Christ,and with sin "remorse" is key,granted there are still sins that people may delight in without noticing yet still be Christians a few examples include....
1.Pride/gloating/vanity-who doesn't like telling others that they are saved and have scripture for support?
We all typically believe we "have it right" and like butting heads so to speak but Insults and Falsities is when we "shame ourselves" where as those of unbelief delight in being shameful.
2.Idle contentment-Now you'll always see me telling people that faith alone saves or better yet that only Jesus saves but you won't seem me tell someone that they should be a "Idle content" person and what I mean by this is "taking God/Jesus for granted" now true enough once we're saved we have nothing to fear of damnation but one's "idleness" can reflect if one actually "cares for and serves God/Jesus" thus not being saved only claiming Jesus in name and title never "bringing him into" their live.
Now at times one may see me "Idle" but that doesn't mean I'm headed for hell it can just mean I'm "weary" or "weak" everybody gets "weak" at times it doesn't matter if you're the healthiest,strongest,or most looking person there are times when a person can't muster much strength and must "rest" and during that time satan tries to get us to "stumble" that's why a person needs to remember to "rest in Christ" not just rest in general and be "appreciative" not merely "content",think of Daniel he went through quite a "tough life" yet he thanked God daily,3 times a day,in prayer never willing to be content or take God for granted,but rather "thankful/appreciative" there in lies the difference between one of unbelief whom claims Jesus and one of humble belief who "appreciates him" and "loves him" and is "willing to serve him","claiming" Jesus as one's Lord is quite different from "knowing" whom you serve.

This is guy should be a preacher....

 

[joefizz]

This is guy should be a preacher....

I have been pondering that one lately...

 

[garee]

for all have sinned

if sin keeps us out of heaven, no one is saved.

If Christ did not pay the wage of sin then no one would be going to heaven .Because he has the paid the wage of sin as many as the father has given to the Son will.

Not only have all sinned but all continue to fall short of the glory of God all the days of their lives. A dead body is evidence that one has sinned. Christians sin by s denying Christ in unbelief (no faith) .Christ cannot deny His own self .

 

[Marcelo]

They can be saved but that doesn't mean they will go unpunished.

They may lose their spouse, respect of the community, or other earthly consequences for their sins.

However if they are saved: have faith Jesus as their Savior, God will lead them to repentance and pull them like iron from the fire.

There is a difference between earthly punishment which is temporary and eternal damnation

But Paul said adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

I know many church goers who cheat on their spouses occasionally. Do you think they will be saved?

 

[Gabriel2020]

An adulterer is one who keeps putting away his wife time after time, marriage after marriage for another woman. A husband that sleep with other women is known as a fornicator or a whoremonger. We as Christian can commit adultry against God by being friends with the world while being married to him through fellowship.

 

[nddreamer]

He is teaching us t behave, but this does not say someone who has killed in the past is not to be forgiven by Him.....

We who believe Jesus do not kil, we obey Him in every way possible, but do not say braking a commandment is automatically going to hell, because it is not.

King David murdered Uriah after committing adultery with his wife...........now tht is a double whammy, yet he was and is beloved by God, though he was not allowed to build the first Temple because he had "blood-guilt," and this had occurred in obeying God, go figure. God's ways are not our ways. His mercy and grace are fresh every mining.......If you believe what you have said about killing being somehow worse than anting other, you are condemning yourself for your past sins for you are automatically judging others, and this should not be.

The commandments are to be obeyed but should you break one, and you are truly repentant you are forgiving becaue you love Jesus Chris.

If you love Jesus, do not fear the law, but by all means obey Him....always. You are on the right Way, you love Him.

Our LORD didn't say pretty please don't commit murderous acts. And he didn't say pretty please don't engage in adulterous acts. He said "thou shalt not".
It's absolutely true that if you repent and turn away from these things that you will be totally forgiven. It'll be like they never happened at all. But if you turn back again to these acts, it is written that you crucify our LORD anew. He took our rightful punishment for our errs upon himself. But if you treat his mercy as a gift that keeps on giving, you are taking that punishment back upon yourself.
He first came as a sacrificial lamb. But when he returns, it'll be very terrifying for those who have blatantly disregarded his words. He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, and there will be no place to hide from judgment.

 

[Ariel82]

But Paul said adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

I know many church goers who cheat on their spouses occasionally. Do you think they will be saved?

Deciding who will and won't be saved is above my paygrade.

All I know is that I would pray they will repent and turn from their sinful ways.

You know many people who cheat on their spouses?

That's really sad for their spouses.

Self control and godliness is a fruit of walking with the Holy spirit.

Again prayer and wisdom to speak words that can call people from the path of darkness and sin and back to Goda truth and light.

 

[JaumeJ]

When Jesus speaks, it is never a suggestion.

Our LORD didn't say pretty please don't commit murderous acts. And he didn't say pretty please don't engage in adulterous acts. He said "thou shalt not".
It's absolutely true that if you repent and turn away from these things that you will be totally forgiven. It'll be like they never happened at all. But if you turn back again to these acts, it is written that you crucify our LORD anew. He took our rightful punishment for our errs upon himself. But if you treat his mercy as a gift that keeps on giving, you are taking that punishment back upon yourself.
He first came as a sacrificial lamb. But when he returns, it'll be very terrifying for those who have blatantly disregarded his words. He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, and there will be no place to hide from judgment.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When Jesus speaks, it is never a suggestion.

Unless you disagree with him or take him out if context (misinterpret)

 

[joefizz]

When Jesus speaks, it is never a suggestion.

What are you talking about?
Jesus spoke suggestions not just "orders",like when Jesus told a young ruler to sell his possessions and give to the poor,he didn't say he "had to" just that he lacked doing so,and that if he did so he would have "treasure in heaven".

 

[JaumeJ]

He suggests we love our enemies, God and eaqch other.

He suggests we not teach against the leaqst of laws.

He suggests we obey.

He suggests we believe Him to be saved.

I could go on.........if any here believe these are just ok ideas, suggestions from Jesus, I am afraid they do not believe Him, for what He says is true today and foreer..........o truth is never a suiggestion, nor is it an order as you say, but it is the imperative.

What are you talking about?
Jesus spoke suggestions not just "orders",like when Jesus told a young ruler to sell his possessions and give to the poor,he didn't say he "had to" just that he lacked doing so,and that if he did so he would have "treasure in heaven".

 

[joefizz]

He suggests we love our enemies, God and eaqch other.

He suggests we not teach against the leaqst of laws.

He suggests we obey.

He suggests we believe Him to be saved.

I could go on.........if any here believe these are just ok ideas, suggestions from Jesus, I am afraid they do not believe Him, for what He says is true today and foreer..........o truth is never a suiggestion, nor is it an order as you say, but it is the imperative.

And why would we need to teach against the law?,Paul and others whom served Jesus taught against the law,even Jesus himself taught against the law,and that's the "truth".

 

[Marcelo]

Deciding who will and won't be saved is above my paygrade.

It's not our job to decide that, but we must know what the Bible says about the consequences of adultery.

You know many people who cheat on their spouses?

Yes, and I know that because they make no secret of it.

Self control and godliness is a fruit of walking with the Holy spirit.

You're right! And people who occasionally commit adultery don't have the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ariel82]

It's not our job to decide that, but we must know what the Bible says about the consequences of adultery.



Yes, and I know that because they make no secret of it.



You're right! And people who occasionally commit adultery don't have the Holy Spirit.

Which do you think is the bigger issue:

The lack of the Holy Spirit to convict and guide someone?

Or the act of adultery?

The world sees nothing wrong with sin. Its only when people are born again that their hearts expresss godly sorrow unto repentance.

Jesus is able to forgive and heal all people no matter their sins.

Adultery isn't an "occasional" thing...the physical act may be termed occassional but Jesus says that to lust after a women not your spouse is to commit adultery.

Commitment and contentment and love in marriage are the spiritual weapons to battle adultery. Communication, forgiveness and mutual respect are also need for marriage to work.

Something we should all keep in prayer.

 

[JaumeJ]

This is a Chubby Checker post..........good -bye.

And why would we need to teach against the law?,Paul and others whom served Jesus taught against the law,even Jesus himself taught against the law,and that's the "truth".

 

[joefizz]

This is a Chubby Checker post..........good -bye.

Thanks for the compliment I'm good at twisting with you all!...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's not our job to decide that, but we must know what the Bible says about the consequences of adultery.



Yes, and I know that because they make no secret of it.



You're right! And people who occasionally commit adultery don't have the Holy Spirit.

james said, if you break onelaw your guilty of all,

do you have a roblems with james? Why are you stuck on adultry, and why do you think your sins do not stink as much to God as theirs?