Questions on Onanism

[jameen]

Genesis 37:8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”

1) Is the commandment to Onan is only commandment to him or it is also commandment to couples who believe in God?

2) Is Onanism a good basis that withdrawal method as form of family planning method is a sin?

3) Is Onanism also a good basis that masturbation and using contraceptives is a sin?

 

[OneFaith]

Genesis 37:8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”

1) Is the commandment to Onan is only commandment to him or it is also commandment to couples who believe in God?

2) Is Onanism a good basis that withdrawal method as form of family planning method is a sin?

3) Is Onanism also a good basis that masturbation and using contraceptives is a sin?

Things were done physically in the old testament that are now done spiritually in the new testament. It was important then to keep the physical seedline to Christ. So no, that is no longer in practice. And no, it is not wrong to use contraceptives to hold off having a child until you're ready. But abortion is murder not a contraceptive. There are many threads on masterbation, just type it in the search bar.

 

[garee]

Genesis 37:8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”

1) Is the commandment to Onan is only commandment to him or it is also commandment to couples who believe in God?

2) Is Onanism a good basis that withdrawal method as form of family planning method is a sin?

3) Is Onanism also a good basis that masturbation and using contraceptives is a sin?

It represents the ceremonial law that protected the spiritual seed of Christ .In a hope of not being unevenly yoked as those born again with those who are not converted .

Like all ceremonial laws except for the sabbath and the water baptism as a desire of a believer to be part of the kingdom of priest all the ceremonial laws were filled at the time of refomation. It is then that the genealogy of the seed of Christ had come to a end (Mathew 1:1-16)

So masturbation of its self was not consided a sin but violating the cerimoinal law not protecting the spiritual seed was.

Its why God brought a flood , sons of God as those who followed after the Spirit of God (believers) were mixing with daughter of men .

 

[PennEd]

Look up the Leverite marriage.

God killed Onan because he refused to raise up a Child for his brother. Many reasons why he didn't want to. He would be responsible for raising the child. Also, Onan would not receive his brother's inheritance if he provided an heir.

Lastly, this was yet ANOTHER attempt by satan to thwart the Will of God as Jesus had to come from the line of Judah.

Oh. And the "sons of God" are fallen Angels NOT human "believers". People have a problem with that. But the evidence is overwhelming.

 

[Adstar]

Genesis 37:8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”

1) Is the commandment to Onan is only commandment to him or it is also commandment to couples who believe in God?

2) Is Onanism a good basis that withdrawal method as form of family planning method is a sin?

3) Is Onanism also a good basis that masturbation and using contraceptives is a sin?

It was an OT command for the Jews.. it is not a Christian commandment..

The Jews had land passed down from father to son land granted to them by God in the promised land.. There was no social security and old people needed offspring and the land to support them.. Onan was withdrawing during sex with his brothers wife so as to prevent her from having offspring,, so as to make sure his sons from his first wife inherited his dead brothers lands.. This would leave his dead brothers wife destitute and landless and without children..

This is why Onan was not right with God.. It had nothing to do with the withdrawal method or even masturbation.. But the denying of his brother in laws wife children and land..

 

[CS1]

Genesis 37:8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”

1) Is the commandment to Onan is only commandment to him or it is also commandment to couples who believe in God?

2) Is Onanism a good basis that withdrawal method as form of family planning method is a sin?

3) Is Onanism also a good basis that masturbation and using contraceptives is a sin?

I do not see this in Gen 37:8

 

[Adstar]

Oh. And the "sons of God" are fallen Angels NOT human "believers". People have a problem with that. But the evidence is overwhelming.

sons of God was a term used for Angels in general.. and yes the angels that left their first estate and came down to earth where also sons of God..

Job 1: KJV
6 "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {7} And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

 

[CS1]

sons of God was a term used for Angels in general.. and yes the angels that left their first estate and came down to earth where also sons of God..

Job 1: KJV
6 "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {7} And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

Context Job context is not the same as gen 6

 

[Adstar]

Context Job context is not the same as gen 6

I believe the sons of God in job are angels and the son of God in Genisis 6 are also angels..

 

[LPT]

Huh and I've always thought the sons of God were the offsprings of Adam and Eve before the fall.

 

[CS1]

I believe the sons of God in job are angels and the son of God in Genisis 6 are also angels..

you can believe that but the context of the chapter in Gen 6 does not support your belief Contextually.

 

[PennEd]

Huh and I've always thought the sons of God were the offsprings of Adam and Eve before the fall.

So let's break this down a little bit. First the only hint that Adam & Eve may have had children in the Garden of Eden is the Lord's direction to be fruitful and multiply, and that He told Eve her pain would increase in childbirth. That's it.

But let's say they did have kids who didn't participate in their parent's sin. So they wouldn't have been kicked out of Eden. Adam & Eve are forced out, the good kids peek their heads out of paradise, see some of the daughters and descendants of their parents, think they are pretty hot, look back into paradise and see that THEIR sisters and female cousins are dogs, LEAVE paradise, take the bad human, sinful women as wives, and then, to top things off, they mate with these fallen women, and produce some sort of super human?

 

[PennEd]

you can believe that but the context of the chapter in Gen 6 does not support your belief Contextually.

Yes it does.

 

[LPT]

So let's break this down a little bit. First the only hint that Adam & Eve may have had children in the Garden of Eden is the Lord's direction to be fruitful and multiply, and that He told Eve her pain would increase in childbirth. That's it.

But let's say they did have kids who didn't participate in their parent's sin. So they wouldn't have been kicked out of Eden. Adam & Eve are forced out, the good kids peek their heads out of paradise, see some of the daughters and descendants of their parents, think they are pretty hot, look back into paradise and see that THEIR sisters and female cousins are dogs, LEAVE paradise, take the bad human, sinful women as wives, and then, to top things off, they mate with these fallen women, and produce some sort of super human?

Well it depends on how a person looks at that which was mentioned before God told Eve pain will increase in childbirth, now what does that mean was there no pain during the other births kind of seems that way.

gen 1.28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Adam was created in the likeness of God but that doesn't mean Adam was superhuman.

 

[Kavik]

Have defer to PennEd on this one - sounds like what's being discussed in the Genesis passage is a textbook Levirate marriage.

 

[PennEd]

Well it depends on how a person looks at that which was mentioned before God told Eve pain will increase in childbirth, now what does that mean was there no pain during the other births kind of seems that way.

gen 1.28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Adam was created in the likeness of God but that doesn't mean Adam was superhuman.

I agree. Adam wasn't super human. Neither was any of his direct offspring. That's the point. The product of the fallen angels and human women is what produced the super human hybrid race. I believe Most of humanity was tainted by this DNA problem. Genesis 6:9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, [f]perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Read that, Noah had pure, untainted GENES, deriving from the word generations. This also helps to explain why ALL, including children, had to destroyed.

 

[LPT]

I agree. Adam wasn't super human. Neither was any of his direct offspring. That's the point. The product of the fallen angels and human women is what produced the super human hybrid race. I believe Most of humanity was tainted by this DNA problem. Genesis 6:9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, [f]perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Read that, Noah had pure, untainted GENES, deriving from the word generations. This also helps to explain why ALL, including children, had to destroyed.

The only reference to fallen angels mating with human women comes not from the bible but from man's idea's.

What I mentioned is small though nonetheless there is a truth in that statement God made to Eve. I'll explain.

If I say PenEd your pain will increase during Asheebobah, no doubt your going to think to yourself well LPT what in the world is Asheebobah. it would mean nothing to you if you don't no what it means.

God wouldn't have told Eve about childbirth if Eve didn't know already what childbirth was.

 

[garee]

Look up the Leverite marriage.

God killed Onan because he refused to raise up a Child for his brother. Many reasons why he didn't want to. He would be responsible for raising the child. Also, Onan would not receive his brother's inheritance if he provided an heir.

Lastly, this was yet ANOTHER attempt by satan to thwart the Will of God as Jesus had to come from the line of Judah.

Oh. And the "sons of God" are fallen Angels NOT human "believers". People have a problem with that. But the evidence is overwhelming.

Sons of God are those who a led by the Holy Spirit of God .

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

There is no evidence that either of the angels that left their first place of habitation or not, that they were made from the dust of field as beast of the field . Some became as lying spirits but nether had the sexual organs or dna needed to create a human beings.

Its simply teaching men as believers(sons of God) mingled with the daughters of men unbelievers as unevenly yoked . Angels were not given the commandment to be fruitful and multiply .



it would be a imposiiblbilltty to meingle two kind as and create a new kind

 

[garee]

I agree. Adam wasn't super human. Neither was any of his direct offspring. That's the point. The product of the fallen angels and human women is what produced the super human hybrid race. I believe Most of humanity was tainted by this DNA problem. Genesis 6:9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, [f]perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Read that, Noah had pure, untainted GENES, deriving from the word generations. This also helps to explain why ALL, including children, had to destroyed.

Noah's genes were corrupted just as any thing in a world, that God corrupted . The whole corrupted creation moans in expectation of the new heavens and earth

Its not a Dna problem . Angels as messenger of God do not have a physical body . The seed God was protecting was the spiritual seed of Christ by which all believers are born again .

We do not wrestles against the things seen, rudiments(flesh and blood) of this world and neither do we know Christ after the rudiments of this world .No one knows what the new creation will be made up of . Most like from something out of this corrupted world a creation of the new heavens and earth.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The idea of a product of the fallen angels and human women producing a super human hybrid race makes good science fiction Hollywood material .

 

[PennEd]

Well I'm not gonna argue. I am COMPLETELY persuaded by Scripture that fallen angels mated with human women to produce a hybrid race called the nephillim. I will simply present my case and you can believe whatever you'd like.

The idea that "sons of God" are human believers is beyond preposterous. You know what happens when a believer mates with an unbeliever? It's not as crazy as you might think. They have sex and it produces........ ANOTHER human being!! Not mighty men, with super human attributes. Or Giants. Also, the implication is that these"human" believer sons of God mated with the unbelieving women because they were beautiful. Are we to believe the human believing "daughters of God" were ugly, and that is why they went after unbelieving women?

The ONLY other place in Scripture where the Hebrew term used in Genesis 6 "sons of God" is in Job. Both places in Job it's usage is clearly represented to be ANGELS. Unless you think Adam's believing offspring were there with God, jumping for joy when the world was created. That should be the ball game right there. Shouldn't have to say a single thing else. But of course there is more evidence.

NOTICE that the Lord's brother doesn't say "sons of God" but leaves no doubt that it was FALLEN ANGELS that committed SEXUAL sin, and THAT is the reason they are being held in prison for judgement. This passage leaves ZERO doubt. Jude definitively ties the SEXUAL sin the ANGELS committed (going after strange flesh) to the SEXUAL sin of Sodom & Gomorrah.

Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a SIMILAR manner to these, having given themselves over to SEXUAL immorality and gone after STRANGE FLESH, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.

The word "abode" or habitation, is the Greek word OIKHTHRION. It is used only one other time in Scripture:
2 Corinthians 5 New King James Version (NKJV)
Assurance of the Resurrection
5 For we know that if our earthly [a]house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [b]HABITATION which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.

So while it's absolutely true the Angels IN HEAVEN, in their HEAVENLY HABITATION, do not have sex or procreate, there is nothing in Scripture that says they are unable to do this on Earth. In fact, THIS IS THE VERY CRIME FOR WHICH THEY WILL BE CAST INTO HELL FOR!!!
They appear in human form all over Scripture, like at Sodom where humans wanted to have sex with them!

I have never figured out why people are so offended by what Scripture clearly says about this subject. I can only assume that as children we have this dreamy idea of what Angels are and we don't like that messed with.