IS MARY THE WOMAN IN REVELATION CHAPTER 12?

[Ahwatukee]

That woman is represented by Virgo--the virgin. She is clothed by the sun from mid-September to early October.

Hello TheTao,

The woman represents Israel. God used the same symbols of the sun, moon and stars in Gen.37:9-10. After Joseph told Jacob and his brothers his dream, Jacob revealed that the sun was symbolic representing Jacob, the moon his wives and the stars his sons. God provides the answers to these things through his word. This has nothing to do with neither the literal sun, moon, stars, seasons or astrology, for they are meant to be interpreted figuratively.

 

[Jackson123]

Here it is again:

1). Jesus does not fit the criteria of the Male Child

2). These (144,000) are those who will not have defiled themselves with women



I Never said that "in the first part of the tribulation, most of Israel dies." You are misquoting. What I did say is that I believe a remnant of Israel will flee out into the wilderness and be cared for by God.



Why do you think that the antichrist establishes a covenant with them and then in the middle of the seven years he causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease and sets up that abomination, which causes them to flee? He wants to kill them because they are God's people. He wants to keep them from coming to Christ. Those Jews of Israel who flee obviously will not have taken the mark. Even though they do not believe in the new testament writings, they do have the following in their law regarding being mark:

"Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord." - Lev.19:28

Therefore, because of the law given, Israel will not receive that mark.

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I don't believe that all of Israel will survive, but only a remnant and that is who will be fleeing out into the wilderness to that place that God will have prepared for her. And my explanation for those who are cared for out in the wilderness, is because God is the One who will have a place prepared for them and will be caring for them. Regarding God's care for Israel, if you will notice in Rev.12:15-16, the dragon/Satan is said to spew water from his mouth to overtake the woman, which is symbolic representing Satan sending an army after Israel as she is fleeing. But God causes the earth to open up and swallows the army that the dragon/Satan sends after her. Since God will be the One protecting that remnant of Israel, then no one will

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So you believe not all Israel survive. And base oN your statement above, in the middle of tribulation antichrist Will couse sacrifice to cease

Is that the time the antichrist start killing Israel?

So you believe in the middle of tribulation the population of Israel reduce because antichrist killing them?

 

[garee]

Hello TheTao,

The woman represents Israel. God used the same symbols of the sun, moon and stars in Gen.37:9-10. After Joseph told Jacob and his brothers his dream, Jacob revealed that the sun was symbolic representing Jacob, the moon his wives and the stars his sons. God provides the answers to these things through his word. This has nothing to do with neither the literal sun, moon, stars, seasons or astrology, for they are meant to be interpreted figuratively.

Yes nothing to do with astronomy or the flesh of any nation.

I would offer. The sun and moon as temporal time keepers and stars as night time direction guides are under the feet (no more subject to them) Its the bride of Christ the church. Its the end of time .The Sun and moon are no longer needed . The glory of God did bring her the light and the lamb of God the lamp of it .

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.Revelation 21:22-26

God who is not a man as us is not Jewish as if it was a Jewish religion .It is why when he spoke without parables he spoke not using the temporal things seen to represent the unseen eternal gospel

For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which "are seen" are temporal; but the things which "are not seen" are eternal.2 Corinthiians 4:15-18

Revelation as the inspired and "signified" language of God again using the things seen the temporal to represent the unseen eternal gives us a beautiful parable of the bride of Christ depicted as the mother of us all in Revelation 12, a picture represented as the context of the previous chapter, eleven .

Revelation1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and "signified" it by his angel unto his servant John:

Its the end of time, the final trump as the voice of God has sounded . In affect saying Rise up (rapture) with those who are asleep and together receive the promise your new incorruptible bodies (neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile)

Revelation chapter 11:12 through Revelation chapter 12:1 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; "a woman" clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

 

[Ahwatukee]

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I don't believe that all of Israel will survive, but only a remnant and that is who will be fleeing out into the wilderness to that place that God will have prepared for her. And my explanation for those who are cared for out in the wilderness, is because God is the One who will have a place prepared for them and will be caring for them. Regarding God's care for Israel, if you will notice in Rev.12:15-16, the dragon/Satan is said to spew water from his mouth to overtake the woman, which is symbolic representing Satan sending an army after Israel as she is fleeing. But God causes the earth to open up and swallows the army that the dragon/Satan sends after her. Since God will be the One protecting that remnant of Israel, then no one will

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That is correct "only a remnant." What you said, was that most of Israel will be killed during the first 3 1/2 years. Do you see anywhere in my post which says that most of Israel will be killed during the first 3 1/2 years? This is what I meant by misquoting me.

"Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:

'Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved.' For the Lord will carry out His sentence on the earth thoroughly and decisively.” - Isaiah 9:27-28

So you believe not all Israel survive. And base on your statement above, in the middle of tribulation antichrist Will cause the sacrifice to cease

I believe that once the antichrist/beast has that abomination set up, that he will go after Israel and there will most likely be casualties for those who do not respond quickly enough or heed Jesus warning to "Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak." In other words when they see that abomination set up in the Holy Place, get out of there immediately! Anyone who stops to pack and save their belongings, like Lot's wife who looked back, will most likely die.

Is that the time the antichrist start killing Israel? So you believe in the middle of tribulation the population of Israel reduce because antichrist killing them?

During the first 3 1/2 years as part of the covenant made by the antichrist, Israel will be performing their sacrifices and offerings. In the middle of the seven that ruler, the antichrist, will cause the sacrifices and offerings to cease and will have that abomination set up in the Holy Place, which is what will cause Israel to flee, as can be determined from the following scriptures:

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"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ” - Dan.9:27

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak." - Matt.24:15

"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." - 2 Thes.2:4

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[garee]

I believe that once the antichrist/beast has that abomination set up, that he will go after Israel and there will most likely be casualties for those who do not respond quickly enough or heed Jesus warning to "Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak." In other words when they see that abomination set up in the Holy Place, get out of there immediately! Anyone who stops to pack and save their belongings, like Lot's wife who looked back, will most likely die.

The divorced Israel are the antichrists as the abomination that causes desolation, . They deny or confess not as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.... that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh . I heard recently that in Telavi that the last book store that sells the whole Bible is closing its doors. Make me wonder when he comes will he find faith or a worn out book of His law as work of his faith, the whole Bible. (both testaments)


2 John 1:7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Jackson123]

So you believe some jew Will be kill and the 8 million Will run to mountain, not wildernes.

So they must proactive, run to the mountain, rev say God Will protect woman in the wildernes. Is wildernes = mountain.

Is Jesus talk to unbelieve jews to run or to a Christian?

Did God protect unbeliever?

 

[Ahwatukee]

So you believe some jew Will be kill and the 8 million Will run to mountain, not wildernes.

So they must proactive, run to the mountain, rev say God Will protect woman in the wildernes. Is wilderness = mountain.

The mountains in Judea referred to in Matt.24: and the reference to the wilderness or desert in Rev.12:6, 14, is referring to the same thing, a desolated, desert area where the woman/Israel will be nourished for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.

Is Jesus talking to unbelieving Jews to run or to a Christian?

We can see from the context that the information is directed at Israel, which is revealed by the mentioning of the abomination being set up in the Holy Place, which is the room just outside of the Holy of Holies within the temple. In addition is the mentioning for those in Judea to flee to the mountains, which again would be referring to Israel. These would indicate that the scripture is neither referring to the church nor Gentile believers, but to Israel. After all, that last 3 1/2 years is referred to as "the time of Jacob's trouble." Another proof of this being directed at Israel is the fact that the scripture says "But pray that your flight might not be in winter, nor on a Sabbath." The mention of the Sabbath would be referring to those under the law, i.e. Israel.

Does God protect unbelievers?

God will not be protecting unbelievers during the time of His wrath/tribulation, for it is upon a Christ rejecting world that God will be pouring out His wrath which He will carry out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Even the great tribulation saints will be exposed to the results of God's wrath, simply because they will be on the earth during that time.

As far as Israel is concerned, that last seven years will be in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem in Daniel 9:24-27. When Christ was cut-off/crucified at the end of the sixty-ninth seven, God paused that last seven years and the Lord began to build His church which is still the process of being built. Once the church has been completed, then the Lord will appear according to His promise found in John 14:1-3, I Thessalonians 4:13-18 and I Corinthians 15:51-53. Once the church has been gathered and taken back to the Father's house, following that God will pick up right where He left off in fulfillment of that last seven years, complete with a new temple and sacrifices, which Israel is already prepared for.

The Sanhedrin was reconvened years ago, their priests are being instructed on proper sacrifices according to the Law, the priests garments have been made including the ephod with the twelves stones, all of the furnishings for the temple are ready and more. The only thing left now is God's timing and the revealing of that antichrist who will initiate that last seven years by establishing his covenant with Israel, which will allow them to build the temple.

I hope this has been beneficial to you

 

[DianaO]

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/12.htm

I agree the woman in chapter 12 is the mother of Christ. But that's not a foretelling , a revelation of what is to come. Reading the chapter it is an accounting of events that have already transpired.

 

[Ahwatukee]

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/12.htm

I agree the woman in chapter 12 is the mother of Christ. But that's not a foretelling , a revelation of what is to come. Reading the chapter it is an accounting of events that have already transpired.

Hello DianaO,

The identity of the woman is revealed in Gen.37:9-10, God using the same symbols of the sun, moon and stars that He did in Rev.12.

Sun = Jacob

Moon = Wife/wives

Twelve stars = the twelve tribes of Israel

Therefore, the woman clothed with the sun, with moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, is representing the nation Israel proper. In no way is the woman representing Mary, the mother of Christ.

In Rev.1:19, John was told to write the following:

What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1-19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the church, which also represents the entire church period

What will take place later = Everything that takes place after the "what is not" i.e. after the church period.

That said, we are still in the "what is now" part of what John was told to write. Therefore, how can you interpret chapter 12 as having already taken place? Also, the war where Satan and his angels have yet to be cast out of heaven has not yet taken place, neither has the woman/Israel fled out into the wilderness where she is cared for during that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period.

In addition, since Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven is the result of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, then the world would have had to have seen trumpets 5 and 6, which must take place prior to the 7th trumpet. That said, we have no record of demonic beings representing locusts released from the Abyss and tormenting the inhabitants of the earth with stings like scorpions for five months. Nether has the world experience those four evil angels and their army of 200 million which kills a third of mankind. Both trumpets 5 and 6 must take place prior to the 7th trumpet/3rd woe.

Everything written from Revelation chapter 4 onward belongs to the "what must take place later" part of what John was told to write, which has not yet begun and that because we are still in the "what is now" i.e. the church period. Once the church has been gathered by the Lord, then the "what must take place later" will begin.

 

[Jackson123]

The mountains in Judea referred to in Matt.24: and the reference to the wilderness or desert in Rev.12:6, 14, is referring to the same thing, a desolated, desert area where the woman/Israel will be nourished for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.

You Said God Will not protect unbeliever,.

You Said women in rev 12 is Israel, and only 144000 israel believer that you say Being rapture in the middle If tribulation

Bible say God Will protect woman / nation of Israel/unbeliever for 1265 day in the wildernes.

How you explain why you believe God not protect unbeliever?

 

[garee]

In early times, the masters were in tune with the astrological clock of God not just seeing it as an external way of keeping track time but also how whatever is seen externally is also within us. Virgo is the Mother, the womb, of the soul. Our body is the temple of that soul and that soul, the Christ, within us is being revealed and unfolded to the point of the birth of the Christ within us.

All things we see outside of us are symbols of what is IN us. Modern day religion will falsify the connection between astrology and the Bible. The Bible has everything to do with astrology.

This is not just to be taken literally but spiritually. There is evidence that astrology is not just about the stars and planets externally but what is happening within us. Evidence of this for one of many examples is the menstrual lunar cycle.

We celebrate astrological holy days for a reason. Not for receiving gifts or hunting eggs but to realize the significant of that time of year and our spiritual progress that pertains to it.

If we were in tune to God's clock we would see that each of the twelve signs has its purpose relating to the twelve major nerves in the body. Each one controls aspects of our physical and mental nature.

During each sign we focus on that particular set of functions within us as we work out our own salvation by becoming perfect as He is perfect.

The stars are not a source of faith by which he can hear God.The twelve signs in respect to natural man that walks by sight are simply the use of ones own imagination connecting million dots to try and form a picture . It can and does destroy the one source of faith as it is written... with the little word it pointing to the unseen author... the finger of God.

When those who do not "mix faith" (believe God not seen ) when God does a work in them or others, because of the unseen things of God are hid from them. Natural man (no faith) called the generation of evil turns things upside down making gods in the likeness of man as if God was a man as us to begin with. Then the Zodiac comes in to do its work of deceiving men.

Acts 14 King James Version (KJV) The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein Acts 14:9-15

No gospel in the stars .The gospel is as it is written

 

[garee]

In addition, since Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven is the result of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, then the world would have had to have seen trumpets 5 and 6, which must take place prior to the 7th trumpet. That said, we have no record of demonic beings representing locusts released from the Abyss and tormenting the inhabitants of the earth with stings like scorpions for five months. Nether has the world experience those four evil angels and their army of 200 million which kills a third of mankind. Both trumpets 5 and 6 must take place prior to the 7th trumpet/3rd woe.

The context that is used to draw the picture of the bride of Christ the church with the sun and moon under her feet indicating the end of time is found in chapter 11. The third woe had come the last trump as the voice of God (Come up hither) has blown .

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.Revelation 11:12-15

The Amil position (no literal thousand year)works best for reconciling the inspired and signified language of God used in parables through out the word of God.

 

[Ahwatukee]

You Said God Will not protect unbeliever,.

You Said women in rev 12 is Israel, and only 144000 israel believer that you say Being rapture in the middle If tribulation

Bible say God Will protect woman / nation of Israel/unbeliever for 1265 day in the wildernes.

How you explain why you believe God not protect unbeliever?

perhaps I should have been more specific. God will not protect unbelieving Gentiles, including those who worship the beast, his image or receive his mark. He does however protect the woman in that place that He will have prepared for her out in the wilderness.

 

[KJV1611]

The stars are not a source of faith by which he can hear God.The twelve signs in respect to natural man that walks by sight are simply the use of ones own imagination connecting million dots to try and form a picture . It can and does destroy the one source of faith as it is written... with the little word it pointing to the unseen author... the finger of God.

When those who do not "mix faith" (believe God not seen ) when God does a work in them or others, because of the unseen things of God are hid from them. Natural man (no faith) called the generation of evil turns things upside down making gods in the likeness of man as if God was a man as us to begin with. Then the Zodiac comes in to do its work of deceiving men.

Acts 14 King James Version (KJV) The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein Acts 14:9-15

No gospel in the stars .The gospel is as it is written

Psalm 19:1-4 KJV
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
[2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
[3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
[4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

 

[Jackson123]

perhaps I should have been more specific. God will not protect unbelieving Gentiles, including those who worship the beast, his image or receive his mark. He does however protect the woman in that place that He will have prepared for her out in the wilderness.

So you believe God Will protect jews that take the mark of the beast but not gentile

In other word, jews Will be protected even they take the mark of the beast, am I correct?

 

[Ahwatukee]

So you believe God Will protect jews that take the mark of the beast but not gentile

In other word, jews Will be protected even they take the mark of the beast, am I correct?

As I said in a previous post, Israel will not receive the mark, because even though they do not consider the new testament as the word of God, the following is written in the law:

"'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD." - Lev.19:28

Therefore, just as they will recognize the antichrist as an imposter when he set up that abomination in the Holy Place (idol), so also because the of command above, they will not receive that mark. God will be protecting unbelieving Israel who will not have received the mark. Although, at some point during the time that they are being cared for, they will recognize Jesus as their Messiah saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. "In addition, God's word has said what will happen to anyone who worships the beast, his image or receives his mark:

"And a third angel followed them, calling out in loud a voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. Day and night there will be no rest for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.”

 

[Jackson123]

As I said in a previous post, Israel will not receive the mark, because even though they do not consider the new testament as the word of God, the following is written in the law:

"'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD." - Lev.19:28

Therefore, just as they will recognize the antichrist as an imposter when he set up that abomination in the Holy Place (idol), so also because the of command above, they will not receive that mark. God will be protecting unbelieving Israel who will not have received the mark. Although, at some point during the time that they are being cared for, they will recognize Jesus as their Messiah saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. "In addition, God's word has said what will happen to anyone who worships the beast, his image or receives his mark:

"And a third angel followed them, calling out in loud a voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. Day and night there will be no rest for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.”

So you believe in the first 31/2 years tribulation. Only 144000 jews believe in Jesus, the 8 millions + do not accept Christ but not take the mark of the beast.

Why in the first part of tribulation they not take the mark, because It not force till second part of tribulation, but in second part of tribulation when It force Israel refused and run to the wildernes

Am I correct? If so do you have a verse to SUPPORT your theory?

 

[Ahwatukee]

So you believe in the first 31/2 years tribulation. Only 144000 jews believe in Jesus, the 8 millions + do not accept Christ but not take the mark of the beast.

Even though unbelieving Israel does not believe in the New testament as being the word of God, they do adhere to the law, which I previously posted for you. But here it is again:

"'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD." - Lev.19:28

Even though Israel does not believe in Jesus as their Messiah, they will still abide in God's command in the law given to Moses to not mark their bodies with tattoos, which the mark. Therefore when that mark comes out, they will not receive it because of that law. Understand?

Why in the first part of tribulation they not take the mark, because It not force till second part of tribulation, but in second part of tribulation when It force Israel refused and run to the wilderness

The mark does not become mandatory until the middle of the seven years. Also, the forcing of the mark will not be done by physical force, but will be accomplished by making all the other methods of buying and selling obsolete, leaving only that mark to be able to perform electronic crediting and debiting. Therefore, whoever receives it will be able to buy and sell, but anyone who rejects it will not be able to perform any crediting and debiting to their bank accounts.

Also, Israel doesn't flee to the wilderness because of the mark, but because of the setting up of the abomination in the temple.

Am I correct? If so do you have a verse to SUPPORT your theory?

All I have been doing is giving you scripture to support what I have been saying my friend.

Obviously, anyone in Israel who received the mark, God would not be caring for. Therefore, since the woman is cared for by God out in the wilderness they obviously will not have received the mark. It's a simple deduction.

 

[Jackson123]

Even though unbelieving Israel does not believe in the New testament as being the word of God, they do adhere to the law, which I previously posted for you. But here it is again:

"'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD." - Lev.19:28

Even though Israel does not believe in Jesus as their Messiah, they will still abide in God's command in the law given to Moses to not mark their bodies with tattoos, which the mark. Therefore when that mark comes out, they will not receive it because of that law. Understand?



The mark does not become mandatory until the middle of the seven years. Also, the forcing of the mark will not be done by physical force, but will be accomplished by making all the other methods of buying and selling obsolete, leaving only that mark to be able to perform electronic crediting and debiting. Therefore, whoever receives it will be able to buy and sell, but anyone who rejects it will not be able to perform any crediting and debiting to their bank accounts.

Also, Israel doesn't flee to the wilderness because of the mark, but because of the setting up of the abomination in the temple.



All I have been doing is giving you scripture to support what I have been saying my friend.

Obviously, anyone in Israel who received the mark, God would not be caring for. Therefore, since the woman is cared for by God out in the wilderness they obviously will not have received the mark. It's a simple deduction.

1. So you believe jews not take the mark of the beast because OT tell them not put tato, It mean you believe mark of the beast is tato, not a cheap, am I correct?

2. You believe all nation of Israel are religious and obey OT, statistic show, 74.7% Israel population are jews

If all jews religious and not take the mark of the beast, mean about 6 million Will run and protected in to the willderness. It need a Lot of room.

3. Seem to me you believe God Will protect people If they not take the mark even though they not accept Jesus.

4. Forgive me If I miss, AS far I recall you not give a verse for when the mark of the beast enforce.

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[Ahwatukee]

1. So you believe jews not take the mark of the beast because OT tell them not put tato, It mean you believe mark of the beast is tato, not a cheap, am I correct?

Yes, since the law says not to cut themselves or put any markings on their bodies, they will not receive that device/mark on their bodies. If they did, then there would be no point to care for them out in the wilderness, because the warning in Rev.14:9-11 would apply to them as well.

2. You believe all nation of Israel are religious and obey OT, statistic show, 74.7% Israel population are jews

No, because no one is able to keep the law, which is why Jesus came in the flesh and who met the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf. However, Israel will attempt to keep the laws according to what is written.

If all jews religious and not take the mark of the beast, mean about 6 million Will run and protected in to the willderness. It need a Lot of room.

I don't know all of the details of how or where God is going to care for Israel during that last 3 1/2 years, but only that He will according to His word as stated below.

"The woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place for her to be nourished for 1,260 days."

"And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.

3. Seem to me you believe God Will protect people If they not take the mark even though they not accept Jesus.

Never said that. In fact I have told you in an earlier post that God's wrath is going to be poured on the inhabitants of the earth. Even the great tribulation saints will be exposed to His wrath and that simply because they will be on the earth. God will be pouring out His wrath on a Christ rejecting world. However, there will be those who receive Christ during that time, which will be the great tribulation saints, who will have to endure the beasts reign and will be persecuted and put to death for their testimony of Jesus and the word of God and who will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.

4. Forgive me If I miss, AS far I recall you not give a verse for when the mark of the beast enforce..

"And the second beast (false prophet) required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name."

Since the above is mentioned in conjunction with the beast being given authority over the great tribulation saints to make war and conquer them and he will be given authority over every tribe and people and language and nation for 42 months, which is that last 3 1/2 years. And since it is stated that it is in the middle of the seven years that the antichrist/beast causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease and proclaims himself as being God, then it is at this time when the false prophet will cause all people great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive the mark of the beast. And as I said, the way in which he will cause them to receive it, is by making all the other methods of buying and selling obsolete so that his mark is the only way to buy and cell.

Starting from the middle of the seven years and the entire 3 1/2 years, the beast will be given power to rule. It is during that time that the mark of the beast will be mandatory and that because it will be the only way to electronically credit and debit ones bank account.