Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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I've stated this to him in the past as well. You probably picked up on that and plagiarized me in post #89. 
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conversion comes only after regeneration. The natural man cannot be converted to see the gospel until after he is regenerated. Yes I keep harping about the natural man because you keep saying that he responds to the spiritual gospel before he is regenerated and given the Holy Spirit. I would not have to keep bringing the natural man up if you would just go by what the scripture says and quit giving the natural man the ability to discern spiritual things. The only way that repentance of man is connected to God is that he commands him to repent and he pricks his changed heart after he is regenerated. none of this happens before regeneration. You may think you have, but you have not refuted anything, you have just shown your lack of knowledge of the scriptures.
Oh please!!!
Um, the Native Americans? Happy hunting ground? Ring a bell? Please see yourself for once and be honest with things you state.
For the record all PB's do this, they can "tell" who the elect are. You've done it yourself. It's a practice of PB's and you know it.
Next!
Um, the Native Americans? Happy hunting ground? Ring a bell? Please see yourself for once and be honest with things you state.
For the record all PB's do this, they can "tell" who the elect are. You've done it yourself. It's a practice of PB's and you know it.
Next!
Wrong my friend. 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.(Matthew 7)
We know the saved from the lost by the lives they live. The Native American Indian worshipped idols and not the One True God. They did not know that God came in the flesh, lived a sinless life, died upon a cross, rose from the dead three days later, ascended to the Father, and is now interceding for the saints, and that He is coming again to gather His elect from the earth.
We know the saved from the lost by the lives they live. The Native American Indian worshipped idols and not the One True God. They did not know that God came in the flesh, lived a sinless life, died upon a cross, rose from the dead three days later, ascended to the Father, and is now interceding for the saints, and that He is coming again to gather His elect from the earth.
After 25 pages we finally know the reason WHY we should choose a primitive baptist Realtor... because they dont believe in the "Great Commission"
That's why I said a page or so back what I did. does the great commission mean go out and save everyone or go out and tell them Jesus saved them? If a preacher tells you Jesus saved you and then ask you if you've been saved yet it could only mean he don't believe what he just told you. No one gets in a taxi and ask the driver if he knows where they can find a taxi.
If a man lays in bed at night and begs the Lord to save him it can only mean he don't believe Jesus did at the cross. If a man begs Jesus to make him understand so he can tell his family and friends it means he don't believe Jesus did at the cross and he thinks he is his own and their savior.
If a man believes Jesus saved him at the cross he can thank him for it and sing praises. If a man don't believe he saved him at the cross he cant thank him or praise him for it but he will because he sees everyone else doing it. An unbelievers mouth says Jesus is his savior but his hands are trying to save himself. A man can be saved by the blood of the cross and deny it. There is a heavy weight on an unbelievers shoulders and much to do but a believers prayers are all answered and he is at rest. Not everyone is at peace in the rest,some are in agony and torment of unbelief go out and tell them the Lord saved them on the cross at Calvary.
Here's an excerpt from an Alistair Begg sermon...
What is the work of the Spirit of God?
It is to accomplish what cannot be accomplished in any other way, by any other root.
The Bible is so clear on this, if you read Ephesians 2.
He Says you were dead in your trespasses and in your sins.
You were made alive in Christ.
How can dead people come to life?
It will take a miracle.
You See, This is the gospel.
The gospel is not a word of encouragement to those who are well meaning people who would like to add a little religion.
It is not a word of encourage to those who want a little Jesus in their life.
No the word of the gospel is a word that comes to the rebel heart.
I am a rebel against God.
I might be indifferent to Him, I might be agnostic to Him.
But I am actually rebelling against Him.
He then comes by the Bible I am commanding you to do an about turn, to repent of your sins and believe in me.
And the individual says there is no way that is going to happen!
Its will take a miracle for that to happen.
Yes it will!
That is the miracle of regeneration.
You see, true regeneration happens when someone is confronted with the word of God, whether they read it or it is explained to them. They are given the very words that gives them wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.(2 Timothy 3:15)
What is the work of the Spirit of God?
It is to accomplish what cannot be accomplished in any other way, by any other root.
The Bible is so clear on this, if you read Ephesians 2.
He Says you were dead in your trespasses and in your sins.
You were made alive in Christ.
How can dead people come to life?
It will take a miracle.
You See, This is the gospel.
The gospel is not a word of encouragement to those who are well meaning people who would like to add a little religion.
It is not a word of encourage to those who want a little Jesus in their life.
No the word of the gospel is a word that comes to the rebel heart.
I am a rebel against God.
I might be indifferent to Him, I might be agnostic to Him.
But I am actually rebelling against Him.
He then comes by the Bible I am commanding you to do an about turn, to repent of your sins and believe in me.
And the individual says there is no way that is going to happen!
Its will take a miracle for that to happen.
Yes it will!
That is the miracle of regeneration.
You see, true regeneration happens when someone is confronted with the word of God, whether they read it or it is explained to them. They are given the very words that gives them wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.(2 Timothy 3:15)
That's beside the point.
Nice try though.
You claimed they are elect because they believe in the happy hunting ground and used it as evidence for your false gospel and as proof that your misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 2:14 is true. You then said you never stated you know who are elect later on after you made this absurd claim and after I called you on it.
In conclusion? Um, yes, you do claim this and so do other PB's, well known fact and goes with the territory of your gnostic false gospel.
Uh-huh.
A while back you could tell them apart, that is, until you got called on it. Now you're being deceitful and disingenuous, trying to weasel your way out of it. Own yourself and the asinine claims you make.
I just go by what you say and then you try to wiggle out of it. Any honest person can see that you're a person who makes up what others believe based on NOTHING they've ever said. I base your beliefs on what you ACTUALLY say and you try to wiggle out of it.
Quite dishonest of you, but you're the one painting your picture of yourself on here.
Nice try though.
You claimed they are elect because they believe in the happy hunting ground and used it as evidence for your false gospel and as proof that your misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 2:14 is true. You then said you never stated you know who are elect later on after you made this absurd claim and after I called you on it.
In conclusion? Um, yes, you do claim this and so do other PB's, well known fact and goes with the territory of your gnostic false gospel.
Uh-huh.
A while back you could tell them apart, that is, until you got called on it. Now you're being deceitful and disingenuous, trying to weasel your way out of it. Own yourself and the asinine claims you make.
I just go by what you say and then you try to wiggle out of it. Any honest person can see that you're a person who makes up what others believe based on NOTHING they've ever said. I base your beliefs on what you ACTUALLY say and you try to wiggle out of it.
Quite dishonest of you, but you're the one painting your picture of yourself on here.
And another outright lie but you've been doing this for quite a while now.
One can tell when their intended target has been hit, there are casualties and crying. I'm nailing your false gospel and exposing it, exposing you is just a bonus and you're telling on yourself here that you've been found out.
That and you still won't deal with the texts but just spew your doctrine around. I've given you Scripture and context, you don't want to deal with that, instead you resort to vitriol.
You're correct about my lacking in the knowledge of the Scriptures, I have lots more to learn. I've only read it through many times, read daily, and study daily commentaries, books, sermons, theological works.
But with all that, I have a LOT more to learn. But one thing is for certain, sir, your gospel is as false as the book of Mormon, both are heresy, which in my understanding is a dangerous doctrine that damn's men's souls to hell.
What you're telling me in your attempt to ridicule my lack of knowledge is that yours is superior. That's fine, I can read between the lines and it doesn't bother me, because yours is the same tactic that the false ministers in Paul's day used on him. (viz. 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians.) It's interesting that you use their same means of attack, and quite telling.
Now, you go on, go around and tell people out there they're elect and on their way to heaven because you can tell. Hmmm assuring people they're on their way to eternal life because you can tell, and when people hear your nonsense, they're going to say to themselves;
"Well, I believe in the afterlife, and FGC and the PB's say that means I am going to heaven, no matter what! And he says I don't need to believe the Gospel, nor in the God of the Bible, nor in repentance, nor have biblical faith in God. And? I can live like hell! Man, that sure is "attractive" to me!!!"
Yeah, yeah, you keep on preaching that nonsense sir. I think any fool can tell whose is the false gospel here.
That's going to work out nicely on the day you give an account, I'm sure.
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The regenerated American Indian believed in a spiritual God, but had not been taught what to call him. That thought does not even enter the mind of the natural man who has not the Spirit of God dwelling within him. Some of your heckling reminds me of what Jesus had to go through. We can discuss the scriptures in a rational tone, if you can discipline yourself to do so.