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5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
I see two things here. Regeneration and renewing.
And renewing is a process that begins at salvation and also happens after you are saved. Regeneration is similtaneous with salvation. But I'll talk to you more about that later
I see two things here. Regeneration and renewing.
And renewing is a process that begins at salvation and also happens after you are saved. Regeneration is similtaneous with salvation. But I'll talk to you more about that later
Unfortunately you never have shared something substantive in your replies TO ME. 
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Titus says the washing is by the Holy Spirit. Romans 12 and Titus 3 is not talking about the same thing
Titus 3 :5is talking about what happens at salvation
Romans 12:1-2 is what Christians are to do AFTER they’re saved
Romans 12 is an imperative, ie do this
Titus 3;5 is an indicative. This is what God did in saving you.
Read both passages and compare.
Titus 3:5is in the past tense. Already done
Romans12:1-2 is an imperative. Something Paul is telling them to do
I am not in left field. Read the passages and see, and let me know if you see what I am saying. If not, I have a set of questions for you
Titus 3 :5is talking about what happens at salvation
Romans 12:1-2 is what Christians are to do AFTER they’re saved
Romans 12 is an imperative, ie do this
Titus 3;5 is an indicative. This is what God did in saving you.
Read both passages and compare.
Titus 3:5is in the past tense. Already done
Romans12:1-2 is an imperative. Something Paul is telling them to do
I am not in left field. Read the passages and see, and let me know if you see what I am saying. If not, I have a set of questions for you
Tit 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Before we came to Christ, we did bad things, but after God CONVICTED us of doing those things, then the kindness and love of God came to us
It didn't come by works that we have done, it came by 1) saving us 2) washing us 3) renewing us.
That's all I can say about that, the love of God was shown to us by 1) saving us 2) washing us 3) renewing us. If you can't see that, I can't help you.... but even if you don't see it that way, I don't condemn you or look down on you and I still consider you a friend and a brother in the Lord.
Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Before we came to Christ, we did bad things, but after God CONVICTED us of doing those things, then the kindness and love of God came to us
It didn't come by works that we have done, it came by 1) saving us 2) washing us 3) renewing us.
That's all I can say about that, the love of God was shown to us by 1) saving us 2) washing us 3) renewing us. If you can't see that, I can't help you.... but even if you don't see it that way, I don't condemn you or look down on you and I still consider you a friend and a brother in the Lord.
Tit 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Before we came to Christ, we did bad things, but after God CONVICTED us of doing those things, then the kindness and love of God came to us
It didn't come by works that we have done, it came by 1) saving us 2) washing us 3) renewing us.
That's all I can say about that, the love of God was shown to us by 1) saving us 2) washing us 3) renewing us. If you can't see that, I can't help you.... but even if you don't see it that way, I don't condemn you or look down on you and I still consider you a friend and a brother in the Lord.
Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Before we came to Christ, we did bad things, but after God CONVICTED us of doing those things, then the kindness and love of God came to us
It didn't come by works that we have done, it came by 1) saving us 2) washing us 3) renewing us.
That's all I can say about that, the love of God was shown to us by 1) saving us 2) washing us 3) renewing us. If you can't see that, I can't help you.... but even if you don't see it that way, I don't condemn you or look down on you and I still consider you a friend and a brother in the Lord.
Observe.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
HE saved us=PAST TENSE. Already accompished.
By the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit. Past tense, happened WHEN WE WERE SAVED.
Romans 12:2 And do not be conformed to this [a]world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may [b]prove what the will of God is, that which is good and [c]acceptable and perfect.
a. Who is Paul writing to here?
Christians
b What is he telling them to do?
Be transformed by the renewing of their mind.
This is an imperative.
That means it is something that Paul is telling them to do. Something we do continually AFTER WE ARE SAVED.
So, regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit happened when we were saved.
But being renewed in our minds is something we are told to do AFTER we are saved.
Regeneration is a ONE TIME deal
Renewing of the mind is continuous.
Regeneration.
According to Hodge's Systematic Theology, the word regeneration is used almost universally to refer to the instantaneous change from spiritual death to spiritual life. He says it is not used to designate "the whole work of sanctification, nor the first stages of that work comprehended in conversion, much less justification or any mere external change of state."^[2]^ In calling it a spiritual resurrection—the beginning of a new life, Hodge adds, "Sometimes the word expresses the act of God. God regenerates. Sometimes it designates the subjective effect of his act" (emphasis added).
https://www.theopedia.com/regeneration
2. The Biblical theological perspective. The Gr. word for regeneration (παλιγγενεσία, G4098) is found only in Matthew 19:28 and Titus 3:5. In the first instance it refers to the restoration of the entire universe at the end time. Only in the latter case does it refer to the initiation of a new life in the believer. More commonly this new beginning is expressed by the Gr. verb γεννᾶν, or the compound verb ἀναγεννᾶν. These words mean “to beget,” “to beget again,” “to bear,” or “to give birth.” (Cf. John 1:13; 3:3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8; 1 Pet 1:23; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18.) In one passage the Gr. word ἀποκύειν is used, which means “to bear” or “to bring forth” (James 1:18). The idea of the production of a new life is also expressed by the word κτίζειν, “to create” (Eph 2:10). The resulting creation is called a καινὴ̀ κτήσις, a “new creation” (2 Cor 5:17; Gal 6:15), or a καινὸ̀ς ἄνθρωπος, a “new man” (Eph 4:24). In two places there is the word συζωοποιεῖν, “to make alive with” or “to quicken with” (Eph 2:5; Col 2:13).
https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Regeneration
According to Hodge's Systematic Theology, the word regeneration is used almost universally to refer to the instantaneous change from spiritual death to spiritual life. He says it is not used to designate "the whole work of sanctification, nor the first stages of that work comprehended in conversion, much less justification or any mere external change of state."^[2]^ In calling it a spiritual resurrection—the beginning of a new life, Hodge adds, "Sometimes the word expresses the act of God. God regenerates. Sometimes it designates the subjective effect of his act" (emphasis added).
https://www.theopedia.com/regeneration
2. The Biblical theological perspective. The Gr. word for regeneration (παλιγγενεσία, G4098) is found only in Matthew 19:28 and Titus 3:5. In the first instance it refers to the restoration of the entire universe at the end time. Only in the latter case does it refer to the initiation of a new life in the believer. More commonly this new beginning is expressed by the Gr. verb γεννᾶν, or the compound verb ἀναγεννᾶν. These words mean “to beget,” “to beget again,” “to bear,” or “to give birth.” (Cf. John 1:13; 3:3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8; 1 Pet 1:23; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18.) In one passage the Gr. word ἀποκύειν is used, which means “to bear” or “to bring forth” (James 1:18). The idea of the production of a new life is also expressed by the word κτίζειν, “to create” (Eph 2:10). The resulting creation is called a καινὴ̀ κτήσις, a “new creation” (2 Cor 5:17; Gal 6:15), or a καινὸ̀ς ἄνθρωπος, a “new man” (Eph 4:24). In two places there is the word συζωοποιεῖν, “to make alive with” or “to quicken with” (Eph 2:5; Col 2:13).
https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Regeneration
Interesting .... definitely spiritual
Not sure if the renewing of our mind is regeneration
Not sure if the renewing of our mind is regeneration
2. Be transformed by the renewing of your mind is an imperative command. Something Paul is telling Christians to do.
3. Regeneration happened the moment we got saved. God saved us BY the washing of regeneration and the renewal of the Holy Spirit.
4. Renewal by the Holy Spirit happened when we got saved too. Titus 3:5
5. Renewing of the mind by the word is something that people who are already saved are commanded to do.
We are saved by grace through faith
We is the subject of the sentence
Are saved is the verb
Grace is the doer of the verb- grace saves us
Faith is is the means by which Grace saves us
Like I am typing words. My phone is not typing words, it is merely the instrument I use to type.
In the same way, God saved us, and faith is the instrument or agency through which He saved us
When you say faith alone saves, you are changing it to faith as the thing that accomplishes the action, instead of properly defining it as the means or instrumentality by which the action is accomplished by SOMETHING ELSE, ie GRACE
We is the subject of the sentence
Are saved is the verb
Grace is the doer of the verb- grace saves us
Faith is is the means by which Grace saves us
Like I am typing words. My phone is not typing words, it is merely the instrument I use to type.
In the same way, God saved us, and faith is the instrument or agency through which He saved us
When you say faith alone saves, you are changing it to faith as the thing that accomplishes the action, instead of properly defining it as the means or instrumentality by which the action is accomplished by SOMETHING ELSE, ie GRACE