Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull

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RebuildJesussChurch said:
How miraculous and beautiful and powerful to be born of water and the Spirit today!

As it is written, “The wind blows wherever it pleases - you hear the sound of it but cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

The necessity of the Headship of Jesus Christ made effective through the Holy Spirit. He did indeed come to baptize us with the Holy Spirit, the One by whom the sins of God are being led today. Yes, the Kingdom of God is a matter of righteousness, peace and joy for us IN the Holy Spirit.

Praise the Lord.
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I was born of God 40 years ago
have you yet?
 
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JohnW34 said:
Once you have passed from death to life, you are eternally saved.
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John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
 
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EleventhHour

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NayborBear said:
Have never heard of this guy!

But? Methinks I "see" what yer saying.

He "hammers away" on the streets to people concerning the Gospel of Christ?

I "hammer away" "to the church" (called out ones), concerning the "everlasting Gospel."

Which "moves beyond" the principle doctrines of Christ, towards Spiritual maturity.

Same "anointing?"

Different "target."

1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that ANY man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

But, as far as the "teacher" I was led to in "getting to 1 John 2:27?"

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False teacher ...run while you still can.

You are not the first to reference this guy ... on here ... tragic

Arnold Murray claims to be God’s exclusive messenger for this era, promoting his serpent seed doctrine.... this should be a signal that this man is a false teacher who misuses scripture to his own advantage and promote a false teaching.
 
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NayborBear said:
This is why "in the wisdom of man" OSAS'ers combine the "gift of salvation", and the "gift of the Holy Spirit" with the "gifts and Calling" of God that are irrevocable.
Two SEPARATE topics!
Then, go about living their lives under the "FLASE belief", that "love covers EVERY SIN!" WHICH it DOESN'T!
Which "places" undeveloped "fruit of the Spirit" here:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Which is the "same" as a vineyard that only produces ONE GRAPE per cluster! :cry:

Is it any wonder then christendom embraces that which is abominable in the "eyes of God?"

And, that goes beyond LGBT, as much as it includes it!

Kinda puts the verse "judge not, lest ye be judged" in a "different" light don't it?
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Where on GOD's green earth do you GET the idea that OSAS Protestant Churches teach LGBT Gay Activism is NOT a SIN. IT LITERALLY IS ABOMINABLE in the Eyes of GOD, but it is a Forgivable Sin the Must be Repented of.

Now you seem to NOT understand the "judge not, lest ye be judged", lest ye be judged", as stated in the BIBLE.

To call a sin, a sin, is NOT JUDGING, that is Discernment.

That statement "judge not" is a legal term, and it means: do not pass sentence upon the accused.

To say, "You, are going to Hell, because I saw you sin." THAT, is violating the "judge not" command.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I was born of God 40 years ago
have you yet?
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Very good question ...maybe he will answer honestly in the meantime here is a snippet from his You Tube video

have to be born again we have to be like
27:43
God we have to without holiness no one's
27:46
gonna see the Lord so we have to be
27:49
changed and we have to become like God


So only those who achieve perfection make it in. :rolleyes:o_O
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JohnW34 said:
I did answer, but maybe not how you wanted. Tell me the answer and I can repeat it back to you if you like :)
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You never gave me a number answer
are you able?
Here. Maybe I can help you
hames said no works

That would equal zero works

How many works are required to make it above zero?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EleventhHour said:
False teacher ...run while you still can.

You are not the first to reference this guy ... on here ... tragic

Arnold Murray claims to be God’s exclusive messenger for this era, promoting his serpent seed doctrine.... this should be a signal that this man is a false teacher who misuses scripture to his own advantage and promote a false teaching.
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Let me guess the bear man?
 
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EleventhHour said:
Very good question ...maybe he will answer honestly in the meantime here is a snippet from his You Tube video

have to be born again we have to be like
27:43
God we have to without holiness no one's
27:46
gonna see the Lord so we have to be
27:49
changed and we have to become like God

John taught we
So only those who achieve perfection make it in. :rolleyes:o_O
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The biblical writers taught holiness of life as one of the desired ends of God in saving us, but did not teach perfection.

They didn’t say have to. They issued the imperative “be holy, for I am holy” etc

It’s not a command that we keep or strive to keep to be saved. It is a Fatherly command from God to His Children

And holiness of life does not equal perfection.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Very good question ...maybe he will answer honestly in the meantime here is a snippet from his You Tube video

have to be born again we have to be like
27:43
God we have to without holiness no one's
27:46
gonna see the Lord so we have to be
27:49
changed and we have to become like God


So only those who achieve perfection make it in. :rolleyes:o_O
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AND THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN THIS SIDE OF DEATH, AND IS THE GLORIFIED BODY WE RECEIVE AT THE RESURRECTION!
 
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NayborBear said:
Have never heard of this guy!

But? Methinks I "see" what yer saying.

He "hammers away" on the streets to people concerning the Gospel of Christ?

I "hammer away" "to the church" (called out ones), concerning the "everlasting Gospel."

Which "moves beyond" the principle doctrines of Christ, towards Spiritual maturity.

Same "anointing?"

Different "target."

1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that ANY man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

But, as far as the "teacher" I was led to in "getting to 1 John 2:27?"

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Shephards Chapel and serpent seed theology is just heresy. Trouble with false teachers, they always mix in something you don't notice. This group mix in paranoia, that the Kenites are out to get us ........
 
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EleventhHour

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Discern said:
The biblical writers taught holiness of life as one of the desired ends of God in saving us, but did not teach perfection.

They didn’t say have to. They issued the imperative “be holy, for I am holy” etc

It’s not a command that we keep or strive to keep to be saved. It is a Fatherly command from God to His Children

And holiness of life does not equal perfection.
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I do not believe I was speaking against this... if someone is going to get on You Tube and expound doctrine I think at the very least they should be clear in how they phrase things.

We do not become like God to be saved... and I have listened to his videos twice to my chagrin, and while much is not clear in meaning it is quite obvious he is of the belief that one is saved via sanctification so perhaps you could point out the error of his thinking to him and not me.
 
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EleventhHour said:
This is strange... @VCO stated the complete opposite... do you even read the post?
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Ya see? This is the difference betweenst me, VCO, and many other people!

I wasn't seeking God! I didn't ask God, nor Jesus, for that matter, for anything!

God was "calling ME!" I wasn't calling God!

It seems? Some people are "born from woman", with the "reality of the Spiritual Kingdom" BEFORE we ever drew our first breath "in the flesh!"
THESE? Are the "very elect!"
THESE? Are also the "last ones" of the previous earth/heaven age, who STOOD WITH God, AGAINST "the dragon who swept a third of the stars of heaven, with its "tale/tail", into "the conspiracy" of the "Overthrow!" Also called the "katabol", or one might even call it "the coup' de' tat!"
Which shall be the "first ones", when we have successfully (again), have RENDERED the "enemies of Christ as a footstool", BEFORE He who sits ON the Throne, sends Christ back in the "Claiming of His Kingdom!" Also referred to as the 2nd coming, or 2nd "advent."

This is "why" we can "see" right through "the WISDOM of man!"

This is ALSO why "the wisdom of man" hates us!

They don't WANT this current earth/Heaven age to EVER end!

But even "they" KNOW, they CAN'T stop it!

The BEST they can do, is to SLOW its coming!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JohnW34 said:
Have you passed from death to life? How do you know?
By the way I am not seeking your approval on this questionnaire approach :)
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Well if I had faith and called out like the tax collector, according to god I have it

if not god lied
there is no other requirment
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes he did

If one claims to have faith but has NO works. Can that faith save him

How many works = no works?
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Oh ok. You asked originally “ how many works are required of man?” No works are required for justification. You and I do not see works as a requirement for salvation, but rather as a result of our love produced by our salvation. In that case, work is no more work. Just as if we try to work to obtain grace, grace is no more grace.

But what is the answer to the question James posed? Yes or no?

Because the way I read the text is that James is saying that if our faith is dead, it cannot save us

Dead faith is faith that does not produce spiritual life. Like the vain mere acceptance of “there is one God”, which is no better than what the devils have
 
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