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Here's another Scriptural problem for dispensationalists:
1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:11
The Coming of the Lord
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
The Day of the Lord
1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. 5 For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. 6 So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.
(ESV)
Notice that these verses portray the reward of the righteous and the destruction of the wicked as occurring at the same time. All the righteous will receive the same reward at the same time.
Therefore, what place is there for any humans who are not glorified to enter into the alleged Millennium of dispensationalists?
When it is carefully examined, the Gospels and epistles portray all of God's people being resurrected and/or glorified at the same exact time...when Jesus appears, and all the wicked dealt with at the same time.
1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:11
The Coming of the Lord
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
The Day of the Lord
1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. 5 For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. 6 So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.
(ESV)
Notice that these verses portray the reward of the righteous and the destruction of the wicked as occurring at the same time. All the righteous will receive the same reward at the same time.
Therefore, what place is there for any humans who are not glorified to enter into the alleged Millennium of dispensationalists?
When it is carefully examined, the Gospels and epistles portray all of God's people being resurrected and/or glorified at the same exact time...when Jesus appears, and all the wicked dealt with at the same time.
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I find it funny that you professed literalists would step out on a limb like that 
That's the funny thing..you guys try to engender doubt because Reformed people recognize obvious symbology and figurative language, but you jump out on a limb and claim things like that..along with making tons of claims concerning how prophecy is fitting into modern news.
Virtually every recent President has been declared the AntiChrist in some manner by dispies. I remember dispies claiming Reagan was the antiChrist because his names held six characters each:
Ronald Wilson Reagan
LOL
That's the funny thing..you guys try to engender doubt because Reformed people recognize obvious symbology and figurative language, but you jump out on a limb and claim things like that..along with making tons of claims concerning how prophecy is fitting into modern news.
Virtually every recent President has been declared the AntiChrist in some manner by dispies. I remember dispies claiming Reagan was the antiChrist because his names held six characters each:
Ronald Wilson Reagan
LOL
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2 Thessalonians 1:5-10
5 This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— 6 since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.
(ESV)
Here's another issue for dispies...according to these verses, there are two fates:
The righteous will receive their reward of glorification, and the wicked will suffer eternal punishment.
There's no one left to live in the Millennium as a non-glorified human, as everyone fits into one or the other category.
5 This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— 6 since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.
(ESV)
Here's another issue for dispies...according to these verses, there are two fates:
The righteous will receive their reward of glorification, and the wicked will suffer eternal punishment.
There's no one left to live in the Millennium as a non-glorified human, as everyone fits into one or the other category.
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Yes, they asked the question and He did not correct them re the restoration of the kingdom to Israel in this passage. But He addresses this issue in other passages such as Mat 21:43.
“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
This theme of "trees" and "bearing fruits" is a well-taught concept. Since temporal Israel of the first century was to lose the kingdom due to it rejecting their Messiah, what or who was the nation it was given to???? What was the "nation" which bore the fruits of the Kingdom after Israel's destruction in 70 AD? Hint: It isn't nation as in country.
“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
This theme of "trees" and "bearing fruits" is a well-taught concept. Since temporal Israel of the first century was to lose the kingdom due to it rejecting their Messiah, what or who was the nation it was given to???? What was the "nation" which bore the fruits of the Kingdom after Israel's destruction in 70 AD? Hint: It isn't nation as in country.
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This is worth a separate post...
Isn't it inconsistent how dispensationalists continually accuse covenant theology people of "spiritualizing" and allegorizing Scripture when they themselves read the Bible along with the newspaper, and try to identify how current events are fitting into prophecy?
I mean, this is a COMMON pasttime of dispensationalists. The last time I visited a Calvary Chapel church, they were holding a "prophecy update" in the evening so one of their prophecy nuts could update others on current events and how they fit into the Bible.
And, it's not like they haven't had the opportunity to repent of this behavior. Some dispensationalist authors have written books based on how a particular event fits into prophecy, and when the event passes over, they keep the book for the next event and update it, and put it back on the bookstands with a new cover focused on the new event.
Regarding Reformed people "allegorizing" Scripture, this is a false claim. Recognizing obvious symbology and typology is something even dispensationalists do, if they need to, in order to understand some passage or interpret it in the light of dispensationalism. What is really being said is that they object to covenant theology interpretations in a manner that conflicts with dispensationalism.
And, regarding "allegorization", dispensationalists are simply trying to slander covenant theologians by comparing them to the Roman Catholic method of allegorization related to Origen and other Roman Catholic teachers. Covenant theologians do not practice that type of allegorization, rather, they realize that the Bible is organic and progressive. For instance, the teaching of being in God's presence is found in Eden, the Tabernacle, the Temple, Jesus and his body, the Church, and the New Heavens/New Earth. Recognizing this typology may stretch the dispie's ability to reason, but it is a well-founded, solid thread that runs throughout Scripture.
But, here's the major point..why would dispensationalists criticize ANYONE for recognizing shadows, types, and figurative speech when they are making wildly speculative claims concerning how current world events are reflecting prophecy, including claiming that such and such person is the AntiChrist, and predicting the date of Jesus' return? And, why don't they admit that they have made false claims in this regard in the past, and stop doing such things?
I call this game "pin the tail on the AntiChrist"..because that's what it is.
Isn't it inconsistent how dispensationalists continually accuse covenant theology people of "spiritualizing" and allegorizing Scripture when they themselves read the Bible along with the newspaper, and try to identify how current events are fitting into prophecy?
I mean, this is a COMMON pasttime of dispensationalists. The last time I visited a Calvary Chapel church, they were holding a "prophecy update" in the evening so one of their prophecy nuts could update others on current events and how they fit into the Bible.
And, it's not like they haven't had the opportunity to repent of this behavior. Some dispensationalist authors have written books based on how a particular event fits into prophecy, and when the event passes over, they keep the book for the next event and update it, and put it back on the bookstands with a new cover focused on the new event.
Regarding Reformed people "allegorizing" Scripture, this is a false claim. Recognizing obvious symbology and typology is something even dispensationalists do, if they need to, in order to understand some passage or interpret it in the light of dispensationalism. What is really being said is that they object to covenant theology interpretations in a manner that conflicts with dispensationalism.
And, regarding "allegorization", dispensationalists are simply trying to slander covenant theologians by comparing them to the Roman Catholic method of allegorization related to Origen and other Roman Catholic teachers. Covenant theologians do not practice that type of allegorization, rather, they realize that the Bible is organic and progressive. For instance, the teaching of being in God's presence is found in Eden, the Tabernacle, the Temple, Jesus and his body, the Church, and the New Heavens/New Earth. Recognizing this typology may stretch the dispie's ability to reason, but it is a well-founded, solid thread that runs throughout Scripture.
But, here's the major point..why would dispensationalists criticize ANYONE for recognizing shadows, types, and figurative speech when they are making wildly speculative claims concerning how current world events are reflecting prophecy, including claiming that such and such person is the AntiChrist, and predicting the date of Jesus' return? And, why don't they admit that they have made false claims in this regard in the past, and stop doing such things?
I call this game "pin the tail on the AntiChrist"..because that's what it is.
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1 Peter 2:4-10
4 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
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“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
(ESV)
The Church is the nation. Notice the similarity of the language with Israel's commissioning in Exodus 19:
Exodus 19:3-6
: 4 You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; 6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’
(ESV)
Notice also that this was conditional..if you indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant.
4 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
8 and
“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
(ESV)
The Church is the nation. Notice the similarity of the language with Israel's commissioning in Exodus 19:
Exodus 19:3-6
: 4 You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; 6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’
(ESV)
Notice also that this was conditional..if you indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant.
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This is just a trivial fact, but did you guys know that CI Scofield added DD to his title, calling himself a doctorate of divinity, when he had no such credentials?
There is no evidence that Scofield attended seminary to get a doctorate of divinity, but he apparently just slipped the designation onto his name at some point.
He also divorced his first wife and abandoned her with a child. I think part of it had to do with alcoholism.
This was in his late twenties/early thirties..I could see a Christian making a mistake like that, but I wouldn't accept a man like that as a teacher personally.
Well, I guess I could assess the second issue as a mistake of youth, but misappropriating academic credentials is just a plain lie if he didn't earn them.
There is no evidence that Scofield attended seminary to get a doctorate of divinity, but he apparently just slipped the designation onto his name at some point.
He also divorced his first wife and abandoned her with a child. I think part of it had to do with alcoholism.
This was in his late twenties/early thirties..I could see a Christian making a mistake like that, but I wouldn't accept a man like that as a teacher personally.
Well, I guess I could assess the second issue as a mistake of youth, but misappropriating academic credentials is just a plain lie if he didn't earn them.
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UWC,
I'm enjoying your posts. Another thing which is important in our post-Darby modern interpretation of the Dispensationalist crowd is to take a step back and see how the early church viewed these same scriptures. Now I am not a fan of all of these early church writers but they didn't have the benefit of digital Bibles with key word search abilities like we do today, but still, their views can be informative. This from Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea, (263-339 AD). He takes us step-by-step through the Olivet Discourse which all Calvary Chapelers see as events coming in our near future.
Chapter VII.—The Predictions of Christ.
1. It is fitting to add to these accounts the true prediction of our Saviour in which he foretold these very events.
2. His words are as follows: “Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day. For there shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
3. The historian (Josephus), reckoning the whole number of the slain, says that eleven hundred thousand persons perished by famine and sword, and that the rest of the rioters and robbers, being betrayed by each other after the taking of the city, were slain. But the tallest of the youths and those that were distinguished for beauty were preserved for the triumph. Of the rest of the multitude, those that were over seventeen years of age were sent as prisoners to labor in the works of Egypt, while still more were scattered through the provinces to meet their death in the theaters by the sword and by beasts. Those under seventeen years of age were carried away to be sold as slaves, and of these alone the number reached ninety thousand.
4. These things took place in this manner in the second year of the reign of Vespasian (70 AD), in accordance with the prophecies of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, who by divine power saw them beforehand as if they were already present, and wept and mourned according to the statement of the holy evangelists, who give the very words which he uttered, when, as if addressing Jerusalem herself, he said:
5. “If thou hadst known, even thou, in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a rampart about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, and shall lay thee and thy children even with the ground.”
6. And then, as if speaking concerning the people, he says, “For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” And again: “When ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”
7. If any one compares the words of our Saviour with the other accounts of the historian (Josephus) concerning the whole war, how can one fail to wonder, and to admit that the foreknowledge and the prophecy of our Saviour were truly divine and marvelously strange.
8. Concerning those calamities, then, that befell the whole Jewish nation after the Saviour’s passion and after the words which the multitude of the Jews uttered, when they begged the release of the robber and murderer, but besought that the Prince of Life should be taken from their midst, it is not necessary to add anything to the account of the historian.
9. But it may be proper to mention also those events which exhibited the graciousness of that all-good Providence which held back their destruction full forty years after their crime against Christ,—during which time many of the apostles and disciples, and James himself the first bishop there, the one who is called the brother of the Lord, were still alive, and dwelling in Jerusalem itself, remained the surest bulwark of the place. Divine Providence thus still proved itself long-suffering toward them in order to see whether by repentance for what they had done they might obtain pardon and salvation; and in addition to such long-suffering, Providence also furnished wonderful signs of the things which were about to happen to them if they did not repent.
10. Since these matters have been thought worthy of mention by the historian already cited, we cannot do better than to recount them for the benefit of the readers of this work.
Eusebius does to Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye what Trump's legal team did to Nadler and Schiff last Friday.
I'm enjoying your posts. Another thing which is important in our post-Darby modern interpretation of the Dispensationalist crowd is to take a step back and see how the early church viewed these same scriptures. Now I am not a fan of all of these early church writers but they didn't have the benefit of digital Bibles with key word search abilities like we do today, but still, their views can be informative. This from Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea, (263-339 AD). He takes us step-by-step through the Olivet Discourse which all Calvary Chapelers see as events coming in our near future.
Chapter VII.—The Predictions of Christ.
1. It is fitting to add to these accounts the true prediction of our Saviour in which he foretold these very events.
2. His words are as follows: “Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day. For there shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
3. The historian (Josephus), reckoning the whole number of the slain, says that eleven hundred thousand persons perished by famine and sword, and that the rest of the rioters and robbers, being betrayed by each other after the taking of the city, were slain. But the tallest of the youths and those that were distinguished for beauty were preserved for the triumph. Of the rest of the multitude, those that were over seventeen years of age were sent as prisoners to labor in the works of Egypt, while still more were scattered through the provinces to meet their death in the theaters by the sword and by beasts. Those under seventeen years of age were carried away to be sold as slaves, and of these alone the number reached ninety thousand.
4. These things took place in this manner in the second year of the reign of Vespasian (70 AD), in accordance with the prophecies of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, who by divine power saw them beforehand as if they were already present, and wept and mourned according to the statement of the holy evangelists, who give the very words which he uttered, when, as if addressing Jerusalem herself, he said:
5. “If thou hadst known, even thou, in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a rampart about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, and shall lay thee and thy children even with the ground.”
6. And then, as if speaking concerning the people, he says, “For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” And again: “When ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”
7. If any one compares the words of our Saviour with the other accounts of the historian (Josephus) concerning the whole war, how can one fail to wonder, and to admit that the foreknowledge and the prophecy of our Saviour were truly divine and marvelously strange.
8. Concerning those calamities, then, that befell the whole Jewish nation after the Saviour’s passion and after the words which the multitude of the Jews uttered, when they begged the release of the robber and murderer, but besought that the Prince of Life should be taken from their midst, it is not necessary to add anything to the account of the historian.
9. But it may be proper to mention also those events which exhibited the graciousness of that all-good Providence which held back their destruction full forty years after their crime against Christ,—during which time many of the apostles and disciples, and James himself the first bishop there, the one who is called the brother of the Lord, were still alive, and dwelling in Jerusalem itself, remained the surest bulwark of the place. Divine Providence thus still proved itself long-suffering toward them in order to see whether by repentance for what they had done they might obtain pardon and salvation; and in addition to such long-suffering, Providence also furnished wonderful signs of the things which were about to happen to them if they did not repent.
10. Since these matters have been thought worthy of mention by the historian already cited, we cannot do better than to recount them for the benefit of the readers of this work.
Eusebius does to Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye what Trump's legal team did to Nadler and Schiff last Friday.
I didn't know that about Scofield but not surprising. Dispensationalists rob the words of encouragement and promise of rest and divine retaliation Paul gave the Thessalonians and they take this comfort for themselves when they've done nothing to earn it. So there appears to be a pattern developing in their circles. But, we love you silly futurists anyway. We just have to shake our heads sometimes at the things you say.
Here's another one:
Daniel 12:1-4
1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
(ESV)
Note that there is a resurrection to eternal life, and to shame and everlasting contempt, upon the return of Christ.
It happens at the same time.
This is another problem text for dispensationalists.
Let the games begin! Watch the dispies squeeze a Millennium in these verses
Daniel 12:1-4
1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
(ESV)
Note that there is a resurrection to eternal life, and to shame and everlasting contempt, upon the return of Christ.
It happens at the same time.
This is another problem text for dispensationalists.
Let the games begin! Watch the dispies squeeze a Millennium in these verses
Here's another one:
Daniel 12:1-4
1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
(ESV)
Note that there is a resurrection to eternal life, and to shame and everlasting contempt, upon the return of Christ.
It happens at the same time.
This is another problem text for dispensationalists.
Let the games begin! Watch the dispies squeeze a Millennium in these verses
Daniel 12:1-4
1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
(ESV)
Note that there is a resurrection to eternal life, and to shame and everlasting contempt, upon the return of Christ.
It happens at the same time.
This is another problem text for dispensationalists.
Let the games begin! Watch the dispies squeeze a Millennium in these verses
They think that because Christ resurrected back to earth first that we all will. They forget Peter's teaching, also from Acts 2, that only Christ's body was spared corruption. The rest of our bodies will see corruption and Paul teaches in 1 Cor 15 that no corruption can enter the kingdom of God. Paul also taught this, which makes the dispie head spin:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Since we are raised as spiritual beings, where are we when that happens? Spiritual realm, perhaps?? Oh, and we should point out, these are dead people being resurrected. No living person is being spared death prior to entering the spiritual realm.
Yes, the same time n the twinkling of the eye . Called the "last day" or the "day of the Lord" the end of time under the Sun, . Used 6 times revealed in the book of John .
Saints receiving the goal of their new born again faith. . new incorruptible bodies. and in the same twinkling the letter of the law Death is cast in the judgement fire never to rise and s corrupt and entire creation ever again fore ever more . In the new heavens and earth the smoke of her fire will not be remembered or ever come to mind ever again
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, "the same" shall judge him in the last day.
Saints receiving the goal of their new born again faith. . new incorruptible bodies. and in the same twinkling the letter of the law Death is cast in the judgement fire never to rise and s corrupt and entire creation ever again fore ever more . In the new heavens and earth the smoke of her fire will not be remembered or ever come to mind ever again
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, "the same" shall judge him in the last day.
Last day of what? The last day of history? I think not. The last day of the Mosaic Age. Jesus promised the resurrection. He taught it to His disciples. He told them He would return. According to The Epistle of Ignatius (35-108 AD) of Antioch to the Magnesians, the Lord's return and resurrection had already happened by his day.
Chapter IX.-Let Us Live with Christ.
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death-whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master-how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead.
In the above we are told that the disciples and prophets were themselves in the Spirit when their TEACHER (Jesus) came and raised them from the dead.
Chapter IX.-Let Us Live with Christ.
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death-whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master-how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead.
In the above we are told that the disciples and prophets were themselves in the Spirit when their TEACHER (Jesus) came and raised them from the dead.
Not just the Jews, but ALL Christians. The Church = The Nation Bearing the Fruit.
The covenant was broken, by Apostate Israel and their promise (of salvation) was given to the Church (true believers).
This is NOT a future event. This happened when the presence of the Lord returned, destroyed the temple, and killed all the wicked priests of His generation - just as He said repeatedly that He would do.
The covenant was broken, by Apostate Israel and their promise (of salvation) was given to the Church (true believers).
This is NOT a future event. This happened when the presence of the Lord returned, destroyed the temple, and killed all the wicked priests of His generation - just as He said repeatedly that He would do.
It should be noted that:
DEAD = SEPARATION FROM GOD
Christ had the Keys to Death and Hades, where they were being held captive. He freed them and took them to heaven, the place prepared for them.
We don't go to Hades when we die. They slept in Hades. We don't, we go straight to heaven. AMEN!! PRAISE THE LORD!!
DEAD = SEPARATION FROM GOD
Christ had the Keys to Death and Hades, where they were being held captive. He freed them and took them to heaven, the place prepared for them.
We don't go to Hades when we die. They slept in Hades. We don't, we go straight to heaven. AMEN!! PRAISE THE LORD!!
That offering must of come from another cannon other than the one with 66 chapters called books. .It would seem to be a private interpretation. . someone's commentary as a witness of men. We are not to puff up the apostles above it is as it is written. With it representing the faith of Christ by which we can hear God . What did Paul have that was not freely given to him. And if it was freely given do your think he would boast as if it was not. Apostle "sent one" with no other meaning added .
The last day under the Sun in the twinkling of the eye the new manner . The corruption under the sun time keeper has set off the alarm. . the last trump . Rise up
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
The last day under the Sun in the twinkling of the eye the new manner . The corruption under the sun time keeper has set off the alarm. . the last trump . Rise up
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
An inward born again Jew is no different that a inward born again Gentile .God put no difference between the two purifying both by a work of His faith in every generation of mankind. One bride the church made up of all the nations of the world
Abraham a befitting name. meaning "The father of a multitude of nations" or denominations not just the nation of outward Jews. If that was the case he would of not given Abram a new born again name. Abram exalted one father of one family as a nation
The covenant was broken with mankind in whom the outward Jew represents.
The temple that sat in the holy place the unseen stood as a abomination of desolation.it was destroyed when Christ said" it was finished" .It lost its usefulness as a parable when the veil was rent, the earthquake came opening the resurrection gates in the city Christ prepared as His bride.
There remains a portion of a wall used as a idol image teraphim even today men cry out too lifeless spiritless, earthen bricks .Having no faith by which they could believe in the unseen one.
Just as some Jewish unbelievers mingled with born again inward Jew as the "us" in Christ some were not inward Jews and they went out from them .The same can happen today with Christian . .us and them . How do we define the true us is a quest.?
Abraham a befitting name. meaning "The father of a multitude of nations" or denominations not just the nation of outward Jews. If that was the case he would of not given Abram a new born again name. Abram exalted one father of one family as a nation
The covenant was broken with mankind in whom the outward Jew represents.
The temple that sat in the holy place the unseen stood as a abomination of desolation.it was destroyed when Christ said" it was finished" .It lost its usefulness as a parable when the veil was rent, the earthquake came opening the resurrection gates in the city Christ prepared as His bride.
There remains a portion of a wall used as a idol image teraphim even today men cry out too lifeless spiritless, earthen bricks .Having no faith by which they could believe in the unseen one.
Just as some Jewish unbelievers mingled with born again inward Jew as the "us" in Christ some were not inward Jews and they went out from them .The same can happen today with Christian . .us and them . How do we define the true us is a quest.?