Why the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not for Today

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Aerials1978 said:
I watched about 5 minutes. As soon as he stated “ This is a requirement” I knew he was teaching “Works” salvation.
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Why not continue...you do not have to accept all...just for information...
Like a berean...you can listen then search the scriptures...
 
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CS1 said:
I am not a youtube P/P Guy. Sorry why don't you explain it ?
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In the video...this one of the point...
In order for a man to be born again..
We need to bury the old man...this was further explain in the video...
Burying the old dead man in baptism we planted a new man (rom 6) this is liken unto conception (born of water).
As God fave breath to adam...we are sealed with the holy spirit of promise and the at resurrection a new man is born (born of spirit)...

Now...there is natural body and spiritual body (born in spirit)....
That which is born of flesh is flesh and born of spirit of spirit...
Born again begins at baptism and culminate at resurrection
 
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watcher2013 said:
When Jesus said...You MUST...
Should it be done or not? Is it required or not?
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Well here is another issue, how do you know Jesus is referring to baptism? He never actually said “Baptize”. Again, He was speaking to a Jewish Pharisee and was referencing something in the OT scriptures. You’re essentially saying that salvation is bought by works and no YouTube video can justify that.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
Well here is another issue, how do you know Jesus is referring to baptism? He never actually said “Baptize”. Again, He was speaking to a Jewish Pharisee and was referencing something in the OT scriptures. You’re essentially saying that salvation is bought by works and no YouTube video can justify that.
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Since this is mandatory...we should know what is born of water...
If its not baptism..what is it then?
 
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Aerials1978 said:
Well here is another issue, how do you know Jesus is referring to baptism? He never actually said “Baptize”. Again, He was speaking to a Jewish Pharisee and was referencing something in the OT scriptures. You’re essentially saying that salvation is bought by works and no YouTube video can justify that.
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If you spare just 42 minutes of your time...to watch the whole video...you will see a big difference...
 
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watcher2013 said:
Since this is mandatory...we should know what is born of water...
If its not baptism..what is it then?
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There are a lot of scholars whom disagree on that particular passage. Since Jesus was Jewish and Nicodemus was Jewish, it had something to do with cleansing by water.

See, you’re starting to get into the grace by sanctification area by claiming its mandatory. That’s a dangerous road to travel.
 
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watcher2013 said:
If you spare just 42 minutes of your time...to watch the whole video...you will see a big difference...
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I won’t. Once the requirement aspect is involved, I know it’s a false doctrine. Anyone can splice verses together to say anything they want.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
There are a lot of scholars whom disagree on that particular passage. Since Jesus was Jewish and Nicodemus was Jewish, it had something to do with cleansing by water.

See, you’re starting to get into the grace by sanctification area by claiming its mandatory. That’s a dangerous road to travel.
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Too bad...the only thing a man Must be as spoken by Jesus and you didnt know what it is...
 
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Aerials1978 said:
I won’t. Once the requirement aspect is involved, I know it’s a false doctrine. Anyone can splice verses together to say anything they want.
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The requirement...was only based on what Jesus said....you MUST...
let me ask you...
Are you baptise?
Why is there a need to baptise someone?
Can we just baptise anyone?
 
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watcher2013 said:
Too bad...the only thing a man Must be as spoken by Jesus and you didnt know what it is...
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Why? Because I don’t believe a YouTube video with bad theology? So you think that by works salvation is attained?
 
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watcher2013 said:
The requirement...was only based on what Jesus said....you MUST...
let me ask you...
Are you baptise?
Why is there a need to baptise someone?
Can we just baptise anyone?
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We already covered all of this. Say if I’m not baptized, am I damned?
 
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watcher2013 said:
In the video...this one of the point...
In order for a man to be born again..
We need to bury the old man...this was further explain in the video...
Burying the old dead man in baptism we planted a new man (rom 6) this is liken unto conception (born of water).
As God fave breath to adam...we are sealed with the holy spirit of promise and the at resurrection a new man is born (born of spirit)...

Now...there is natural body and spiritual body (born in spirit)....
That which is born of flesh is flesh and born of spirit of spirit...
Born again begins at baptism and culminate at resurrection
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burying the old man is symbolic by water baptism as Rom 6 says. The salvation is grace through faith. After one believes on Jesus then the are to be baptized
 
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burying the old man is symbolic by water baptism as Rom 6 says. The salvation is grace through faith. After one believes on Jesus then the are to be baptized
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Why the need to baptize then?
 
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CS1 said:
You know you would be correct if you tear out John chapter 14 to 16. How can the Holy Spirit not be involved with the believer? When Jesus Said in Acts 1:8 we would have power to be a witnesses after the Holy Spirit has enclothed us with power?

Do you think your understand of the very word of God is achieved without the Holy Spirit today?
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If you were not first taught how to understand Acts by Pentecostals, you would have an entirely different view from theirs.
 
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