Why the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not for Today
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I am glad i dont have any cessationism to unlearn
I was so fortunate to be arrested by Jesus during the awesome charismatic movement.
Right away i was immersed in sound doctrine in a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
What a feast it was.
The next big movement i was so privlidged to be a part of was times square church revival on Broadway with David Wilkerson.
Then came the mid nineties with several waves of massive outpourings.
In all of them ,one theme emerged ,and separated the dead from the living.
"Only the hungry need apply"
Revival comes to the hungry that release the Holy Spirit to move and pour out massive blessing.
Tougues is a by product.
The upper room was the deal. Holy Spirit was allowed to take them over.
Someone says "i was taught toungues, and nothing happened"
Its the same with salvation,or faith,or revelation,or dreams and visions.
None of those are mentally taught,they are recieved spiritually.
They are never recieved by satisfied,skeptical,mental believers.
Only "little children" that are hungry,repentant,and want it, need apply
I am glad i dont have any cessationism to unlearn
I was so fortunate to be arrested by Jesus during the awesome charismatic movement.
Right away i was immersed in sound doctrine in a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
What a feast it was.
The next big movement i was so privlidged to be a part of was times square church revival on Broadway with David Wilkerson.
Then came the mid nineties with several waves of massive outpourings.
In all of them ,one theme emerged ,and separated the dead from the living.
"Only the hungry need apply"
Revival comes to the hungry that release the Holy Spirit to move and pour out massive blessing.
Tougues is a by product.
The upper room was the deal. Holy Spirit was allowed to take them over.
Someone says "i was taught toungues, and nothing happened"
Its the same with salvation,or faith,or revelation,or dreams and visions.
None of those are mentally taught,they are recieved spiritually.
They are never recieved by satisfied,skeptical,mental believers.
Only "little children" that are hungry,repentant,and want it, need apply
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I believe I posted a link earlier. This is from a quick web search, and is friendly toward Tertullian who was apparently a Montanist. But it's got some good brief quotes. http://evangelicalfocus.com/magazine/240/the_gifts_of_the_spirit_never_left_the_early_church
I read a quote about speaking in tongues at a Methodist revival near the University of Georgia in 1801 in _The New Charismatics, Too. I have also read about a church that experienced speaking in tongues in Maine in the 1870's. The Fire-Baptized Holiness had experiences with that as well, and I have heard there was a little bit of that during the Welsh revival. There was also a healing movement in the 1800's. Those types of meetings started before the Azusa Street revival. Many in the Holiness movement accepted healing.
The New Light Baptists that filled the south and other parts of the country grew out of a congregation that practiced anointing the sick with oil, so it wasn't that contrary to evangelicalism to think that God would heal. Mercy Wheeler had been healed before Sandy Creek was set up. I read a quote about a New Light Baptist speaking in tongues in the early days of that movement, but I don't recall the name of the book a friend quoted out of online.
Spurgeon had got what I might categorize as words of knowledge while he was preaching, looking at people and telling them details about their lives when he was preaching. https://gfmanchester.com/prophecy-in-the-life-of-spurgeon-real-prophecy
This is a quote from a book on Spurgeon, http://docplayer.net/163993550-The-books-of-the-month-the-expository-times-543.html
"At least two prophecies were uttered in regard to this element of his character, and it is remarkable to notice the minuteness with which they were fulfilled. When Spurgeon was ten years old, Rev. Richard Knill visited Stambourne as a deputy from the London Missionary Society. Mr. Knill was pre-eminently a soul-winner, and he was greatly drawn to the boy, with whom he contrived to have a great deal of loving Christian intercourse. Before leaving, Mr. Knill, in presence of the family, took the lad on his knee and said, 'This child will one day preach the gospel, and he will preach it to great multitudes.' Just ten years later he accepted a call to the pastorate of New Park Street Chapel. "
I read a quote about speaking in tongues at a Methodist revival near the University of Georgia in 1801 in _The New Charismatics, Too. I have also read about a church that experienced speaking in tongues in Maine in the 1870's. The Fire-Baptized Holiness had experiences with that as well, and I have heard there was a little bit of that during the Welsh revival. There was also a healing movement in the 1800's. Those types of meetings started before the Azusa Street revival. Many in the Holiness movement accepted healing.
The New Light Baptists that filled the south and other parts of the country grew out of a congregation that practiced anointing the sick with oil, so it wasn't that contrary to evangelicalism to think that God would heal. Mercy Wheeler had been healed before Sandy Creek was set up. I read a quote about a New Light Baptist speaking in tongues in the early days of that movement, but I don't recall the name of the book a friend quoted out of online.
Spurgeon had got what I might categorize as words of knowledge while he was preaching, looking at people and telling them details about their lives when he was preaching. https://gfmanchester.com/prophecy-in-the-life-of-spurgeon-real-prophecy
This is a quote from a book on Spurgeon, http://docplayer.net/163993550-The-books-of-the-month-the-expository-times-543.html
"At least two prophecies were uttered in regard to this element of his character, and it is remarkable to notice the minuteness with which they were fulfilled. When Spurgeon was ten years old, Rev. Richard Knill visited Stambourne as a deputy from the London Missionary Society. Mr. Knill was pre-eminently a soul-winner, and he was greatly drawn to the boy, with whom he contrived to have a great deal of loving Christian intercourse. Before leaving, Mr. Knill, in presence of the family, took the lad on his knee and said, 'This child will one day preach the gospel, and he will preach it to great multitudes.' Just ten years later he accepted a call to the pastorate of New Park Street Chapel. "
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Who do the salvation its God...
The practice today..is different from the early church...
In one day 3000 were added to the church and were baptized immediately after believing...and daily afterwards...
Baptism is always in tandem with believing...
In fact even the devil believed and tremble...
Baptism is our confirmation the we believed in the death and resurrectiom of Christ...
Like abraham believes when he-s in the act of offering isaac..
God said...now I know..
In like figure baptism now save us.
The practice today..is different from the early church...
In one day 3000 were added to the church and were baptized immediately after believing...and daily afterwards...
Baptism is always in tandem with believing...
In fact even the devil believed and tremble...
Baptism is our confirmation the we believed in the death and resurrectiom of Christ...
Like abraham believes when he-s in the act of offering isaac..
God said...now I know..
In like figure baptism now save us.
No need to thank... i got it from peter.
1Pe 3:18-21 KJV 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 3:18-21 KJV 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Thanks. As we can see from the witness of the early church, CLEARLY the Spirit was still working, even after the canon was complete.
What is going on with you people suggesting once the canon is complete God wont do anything anymore? Why large chunks of the Bible become irrelevant once the canon is completed?
Quenching the Spirit is all that is.
What is going on with you people suggesting once the canon is complete God wont do anything anymore? Why large chunks of the Bible become irrelevant once the canon is completed?
Quenching the Spirit is all that is.
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Your resources are not reliable. The Montanists were a heretical cult. Plus you add to scripture making it say what it does not. If you had proof of apostolic signs and wonders, you might prove your point. But even then, God furnished false prophets in the OT with miracles to test people.
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So you count baptism as works of rom 4?
You cannot see that believing is just the same as baptism.
Believing..
Messenger preach the gospel
Your part to believe...
God did the works..
Baptism
Baptizer to preach death and resurrection ( doing physical baptism)
Your part to (just dunk in water) you consider that as works?
God did the works...
You cannot see that believing is just the same as baptism.
Believing..
Messenger preach the gospel
Your part to believe...
God did the works..
Baptism
Baptizer to preach death and resurrection ( doing physical baptism)
Your part to (just dunk in water) you consider that as works?
God did the works...