Exposing!! The Corrupt Counterfeit (NIV) Bible, Verses That Have Been Tamped With!!

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Lightskin

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#81
Every word matters, not just the thought.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
I concur. And the prudent man asks God for guidance and enlightenment.

Please know I’m not arguing with you but rather engaging in respectful conversation. With that said, please give an example of a mistranslated biblical verse that can derail someone’s faith and/or walk with God.
 

Dino246

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#82
Every word matters, not just the thought. ...

Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
WOW! You just completely ignored the second half of that proverb, not to mention the gist of the whole thing!

It's really tempting to make an ad hominem comment here, but it would be redundant.
 

John146

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#83
I concur. And the prudent man asks God for guidance and enlightenment.

Please know I’m not arguing with you but rather engaging in respectful conversation. With that said, please give an example of a mistranslated biblical verse that can derail someone’s faith and/or walk with God.
The #1 doctrine of scripture is it’s reliability and truth. Can I trust what I am reading? Every word? If not, why am I searching for what God has for me through a book I can’t trust?

From start to finish, the Lord warns about adding to or taking away fro His word. The NIV removes thousands of words, phrases and entire verses as compared to the KJV. We are left with the following:

1. The KJV cannot be trusted for it adds to the word of God
2. The NIV cannot be trusted for it takes away from the word of God
3. Neither are the word of God, so neither can be trusted
 

massorite

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#84
While Strong's is the standard concordance for the KJV, it is such for only the KJV because it is essentially a distillation of the KJV. It is inadequate for the NIV, the NASB, or any other modern translation, because it is not made for those translations. It's not a matter of "corruption" at all, but difference of word selection in English.
No "inadequate" is not the correct word. The Strong's is not "corrupted". But the NIV is.
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my BREACH of promise. KJV
Notice here in Num. 14:34 the words "Breach of promise" are used by God to take back a promise He made to the Isrealites because of their disobedience and unbelief.
However the NIV removes the words "Breach of Promise" altogether and replaces them with other less severe or watered down from the original act of punishment by God.

34 For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’ NIV
The words "breach of promise" are words speaking of direct and decisive punishment as God tells the Isrealites that the promise God gave them to cross the Jorden into a land flowing with milk and honey, that He was taking back that promise because of their disobedience.
But the NIV waters down the act of punishment from God to mean something less invasive when in truth not one single Israelite who was alive at that point except for Joshua and Caleb, died during the forty years. God made a contract with the Isrealites and when they were disobedient He breached that contract. This is just one example of how the NIV is corrupted and there are many more corrupted verses and even verses that have had half of the verse removed altogether.
Words are very important to our ability to properly understand what the word of God is telling us and our perception of those words
 

massorite

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#85
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my BREACH of promise. KJV
Notice here in Num. 14:34 the words "Breach of promise" are used by God to take back a promise He made to the Isrealites because of their disobedience and unbelief.
However the NIV removes the words "Breach of Promise" altogether and replaces them with other less severe or watered down from the original act of punishment by God.

34 For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’ NIV
The words "breach of promise" are words speaking of direct and decisive punishment as God tells the Isrealites that the promise God gave them to cross the Jorden into a land flowing with milk and honey, that He was taking back that promise because of their disobedience.
But the NIV waters down the act of punishment from God to mean something less invasive when in truth not one single Israelite who was alive at that point except for Joshua and Caleb, died during the forty years. God made a contract with the Isrealites and when they were disobedient He breached that contract. This is just one example of how the NIV is corrupted and there are many more corrupted verses and even verses that have had half of the verse removed altogether.
Words are very important to our ability to properly understand what the word of God is telling us and our perception of those words.
 

Lightskin

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#86
The #1 doctrine of scripture is it’s reliability and truth. Can I trust what I am reading? Every word? If not, why am I searching for what God has for me through a book I can’t trust?

From start to finish, the Lord warns about adding to or taking away fro His word. The NIV removes thousands of words, phrases and entire verses as compared to the KJV. We are left with the following:

1. The KJV cannot be trusted for it adds to the word of God
2. The NIV cannot be trusted for it takes away from the word of God
3. Neither are the word of God, so neither can be trusted
That’s why I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me as I prayerfully read scripture.

Now here’s a question, is there a KJV version without all the 16th century linguistics?
 

Lightskin

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#87
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my BREACH of promise. KJV
Notice here in Num. 14:34 the words "Breach of promise" are used by God to take back a promise He made to the Isrealites because of their disobedience and unbelief.
However the NIV removes the words "Breach of Promise" altogether and replaces them with other less severe or watered down from the original act of punishment by God.

34 For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’ NIV
The words "breach of promise" are words speaking of direct and decisive punishment as God tells the Isrealites that the promise God gave them to cross the Jorden into a land flowing with milk and honey, that He was taking back that promise because of their disobedience.
But the NIV waters down the act of punishment from God to mean something less invasive when in truth not one single Israelite who was alive at that point except for Joshua and Caleb, died during the forty years. God made a contract with the Isrealites and when they were disobedient He breached that contract. This is just one example of how the NIV is corrupted and there are many more corrupted verses and even verses that have had half of the verse removed altogether.
Words are very important to our ability to properly understand what the word of God is telling us and our perception of those words.
Thank you for sharing; I appreciate you doing so. Now are there any verses with equivalent inaccuracies regarding believers in Christ?
 

John146

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#88
Thank you for sharing; I appreciate you doing so. Now are there any verses with equivalent inaccuracies regarding believers in Christ?
Colossians 1 The blood of Jesus is removed in which we get redemption.

KJV 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

NIV 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
 

Dino246

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#89
The #1 doctrine of scripture is it’s reliability and truth. Can I trust what I am reading? Every word? If not, why am I searching for what God has for me through a book I can’t trust?

From start to finish, the Lord warns about adding to or taking away fro His word. The NIV removes thousands of words, phrases and entire verses as compared to the KJV.
No, the NIV does not remove thousands of words, phrases, and entire verses. The translators examined the evidence and decided that the omitted words were not part of the Scriptures as originally written. This continued misrepresentation of the issues is quite unnecessary.
 

Dino246

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#90
No "inadequate" is not the correct word. The Strong's is not "corrupted". But the NIV is.
I said nothing about Strong's being corrupted. You have sidestepped my assertions regarding the concordances. Kindly address them.

Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my
BREACH of promise. KJV
Notice here in Num. 14:34 the words "Breach of promise" are used by God to take back a promise He made to the Isrealites because of their disobedience and unbelief.
However the NIV removes the words "Breach of Promise" altogether and replaces them with other less severe or watered down from the original act of punishment by God.

34 For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’ NIV
The words "breach of promise" are words speaking of direct and decisive punishment as God tells the Isrealites that the promise God gave them to cross the Jorden into a land flowing with milk and honey, that He was taking back that promise because of their disobedience.
But the NIV waters down the act of punishment from God to mean something less invasive when in truth not one single Israelite who was alive at that point except for Joshua and Caleb, died during the forty years. God made a contract with the Isrealites and when they were disobedient He breached that contract. This is just one example of how the NIV is corrupted and there are many more corrupted verses and even verses that have had half of the verse removed altogether.
Words are very important to our ability to properly understand what the word of God is telling us and our perception of those words
Your opinion that "have me against you" is less severe or 'watered down' from "breach of promise" is just that: your opinion. It carries no evidentiary weight whatsoever. It certainly is no evidence of "corruption".

Which phrase better represents the Hebrew? That is the only question that matters.
 

John146

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No, the NIV does not remove thousands of words, phrases, and entire verses. The translators examined the evidence and decided that the omitted words were not part of the Scriptures as originally written. This continued misrepresentation of the issues is quite unnecessary.
If this is your view, then the KJV should be accursed. The warning is from start to finish. The Bible God used for the greatest world revival is accursed?

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 

Dino246

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Colossians 1 The blood of Jesus is removed in which we get redemption.

KJV 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

NIV 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Fallacy: circular reasoning.
 

Dino246

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If this is your view, then the KJV should be accursed. The warning is from start to finish. The Bible God used for the greatest world revival is accursed?

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I'll leave the false dichotomies to you.
 

posthuman

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Can I trust what I am reading? Every word?
i do not trust 'penny' or 'farthing' to be optimal, accurate or appropriate renditions in scripture.


is my faith therefore shipwrecked and/or misplaced?
 

posthuman

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Sure, Scripture please.
Luke 12:6

what was the thought process for putting 'farthings' in the Bible instead of assarion?

wasn't it something like 'we should use modern 16th-17th century English?'