Doctrines like Limited Atonement - why?
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I believe Scripture proves Scripture as well, but bringing in other Scripture to harmonize doctrine is not what that means. Scripture must first be understood within its own context and then supported by further Scripture. Otherwise you're doing nothing but introducing your opinion to the matter and reinforcing that opinion. Scriptures only require limited atonement if total inability is believed, and that requires reading everything through a misreading of Romans 5. And that makes it so God's judgment is some kind of clown show mystery rather than the simple truth that God judges and gives to those He deems righteous knowledge of the cross.
That’s God’s physical people Israel. The body of Christ is not called a nation. We are Christians from nations. The generation spoken of are those Jews coming out of the tribulation into the millennium.
12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
“The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.” (Leviticus 25:23)
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16)
“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20)
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“This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.” (Romans 9:8)
“And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:23 (KJV 1900)
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16)
“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20)
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“This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.” (Romans 9:8)
“And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:23 (KJV 1900)
All = all in Christ. The first generation leaving Egypt already forfeited the promises long before any of their children entered Canaan. 40 years later in a journey that takes 11 days on foot.
They think Jesus is in hell right now and they exist as a group only because of their hatred of him. And you think God owes them anything?
They think Jesus is in hell right now and they exist as a group only because of their hatred of him. And you think God owes them anything?
I agree with you on most all other proof texts that you quote, but you fail to understand that God's elect are found in Jacob. Do you not recognise that God changed Jacob's name to be called Israel, Gen 32:28. Do you not take into consideration, that all Israel is not of Israel Romans 9:6? Isaiah 41:8, But thou, Israel, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. When you interpret the word Israel as being the nation of Israel in every case, you are missing out on some very important truths contained in the scriptures and are not harmonizing the scriptures. Most all of the scriptures that you have quoted in this particular post have reference to Jacob, as Israel, who represents God's elect.
Limited Atonement is particular to Calvinism. It's snobbery worked into scriptures that have to be corrupted in order to believe that nonsense. Jesus died only for people God already decided to save before anything came to exist.
What that doctrine says about God is disgusting. It makes him out to be a sadist, a narcissist, and a liar.
Of course all who accept Limited Atonement as true are those who believe they must be the elect Jesus was meant to die for.
What that doctrine says about God is disgusting. It makes him out to be a sadist, a narcissist, and a liar.
Of course all who accept Limited Atonement as true are those who believe they must be the elect Jesus was meant to die for.
“And they all sang a new song to the Lamb: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were killed, and with the blood of your death you bought people for God from every tribe, language, people, and nation. You made them to be a kingdom of priests for our God, and they will rule on the earth.”” Revelation 5:9–10 (EXPNT)
10 You made them to be a kingdom -of priests [or and priests; Ex. 19:6] for our God, and they will -rule [reign; other manuscripts have “they reign” (present tense)] on the earth.”
Or it pertains to the New Heavens and earth.
10 You made them to be a kingdom -of priests [or and priests; Ex. 19:6] for our God, and they will -rule [reign; other manuscripts have “they reign” (present tense)] on the earth.”
Or it pertains to the New Heavens and earth.
“(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” Romans 9:11–13 (KJV 1900)
What's your point?
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” Romans 9:11–13 (KJV 1900)What's your point?