What is the bible?

[AnandaHya]

Brother-Uncle Fester....
But that we could break bread together and take the cup.
I will think of you when i do.

this is the anniversary of my baptism!

congratulations and happy anniversary!

Hebrews 12

The Race of Faith

1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls.

though i must say you could be a lot nicer, but that's between you and God.

 

[paulnsilas]

It was a personal revelation to me from an angel claiming to delivering a message from Jesus because I'm a high school science teacher and we are currently on the unit concerning evolution and I was having a tough time because I believe that the scientists are wrong and they teach things that go against the Bible. So they are God's words to me about that issue, but they served the same purpose.

HUH?????
One really ought to think for even just a moment about standing before the throne of Christ and having played fast and loose with such things.

It's dreadful.

You expect me to believe you receive visits from angels?

NOT CREDIBLE. don't believe you.

Do you still believe in angels as messengers from God?

And yeah I argue with all voices that claim to be from God. Its called testing the spirits. I test them against the HOLY WORDS of the BIBLE and if they don't line up, contradict or get angry or impatient with me I ignore them. Love THINKS NO EVIL.

Love thinks no evil?
There's been weird evil thoughts posted by you continually.
Are you OK? seriously.

I suggest strongly that you stop playing contemporary "christian" music (for starters).
I doubt you will, because it becomes an addiction - it's meant to.

It is a carnal indulgence (no different from the world's) with co-called christian lyrics. It feeds the flesh like all the charismatic activity.

Like I said, can't ignore you. I was told to be nice to my brothers and sisters and even if you were an enemy I would still have to fed and clothe you, because GOD tells us to do it.

1 Corinthians 13:3-5 (New King James Version)

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;

I do not consider myself in fellowship with you at this time.
You are an unrepentent false prophet, and i do not believe you understand the Gospel.

It doesn't mean i don't care about you, but your ideas and claims are not biblical.

 

[paulnsilas]

though i must say you could be a lot nicer, but that's between you and God.

I COULD say i just spoke to God and He told me not to fellowship with you.
But that would be a lie.

So i defer to Scripture. repent of your unbelief and blasphemy.

 

[AnandaHya]

My my.

God sent you to chasten me did He?

I am not arguing with darkness, I am arguing against darkness.

I do not accept your authority, and I am terribly sorry that you felt that you had to take this stance.

Let every person be a liar, yet God is true. And truth comes from the Spirit of truth.

I suspected that this would be the outcome, but prayed that it would not come to this.

i ask you simply which is more important:

DOING GOD'S WORK OR calling YOURSELF a prophet?

just answer that simply?

do you write back to show your justification or for GOD's GLORY?

what does calling yourself a prophet do for anyone except make them argue with you?

As a prophet (if anyone was to believe you one) you would have NO MORE AUTHORITY than ANY CHILD OF GOD for we are ALL called to prophecies and SPEAK GOD's WORDS.

therefore do not rejoice that you have power to cast out demons or prophecies but REJOICE THAT YOUR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.

those are the Word's of GOD Written in the HOLY BIBLE.

 

[AnandaHya]

I COULD say i just spoke to God and He told me not to fellowship with you.
But that would be a lie.

So i defer to Scripture. repent of your unbelief and blasphemy.

ah you will never stop but like I said I'll leave it to God. you don't have to believe me as long as God has you in Hand, it will work out as He intends for it to be.

who do you fellowship with? do you have a home church? you mentioned the Reform church could you send some links you approve of that I can read and learn about why you are against contemporary music as well as spiritual gifts?

unbelief of what?
your words, ok i buy that

blasphemy of what?
I do not blasphemy against God, you just don't believe me, but I don't believe you so, in the end GOD will reveal the truth.

 

[VW]

i ask you simply which is more important:

DOING GOD'S WORK OR calling YOURSELF a prophet?

just answer that simply?

do you write back to show your justification or for GOD's GLORY?

what does calling yourself a prophet do for anyone except make them argue with you?

As a prophet (if anyone was to believe you one) you would have NO MORE AUTHORITY than ANY CHILD OF GOD for we are ALL called to prophecies and SPEAK GOD's WORDS.

therefore do not rejoice that you have power to cast out demons or prophecies but REJOICE THAT YOUR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.

those are the Word's of GOD Written in the HOLY BIBLE.

Well, I actually don't call myself a prophet, and only respond that way when asked directly.

And to which is more important, I would have to say that being in God's presence is most important, and speaking His words is most important.

I find it strange that you talk to me about authority. I have claimed no authority for myself. I thought that you would have more understanding than this. All authority comes from and resides in God. Where people get in trouble with God is when they begin to think that any other thing has authority, including the bible. All authority has been given to Jesus, every single bit, and there is no authority in heaven or on the earth that is not His.

I am beginning to worry about you sister.

 

[AnandaHya]

Well, I actually don't call myself a prophet, and only respond that way when asked directly.

And to which is more important, I would have to say that being in God's presence is most important, and speaking His words is most important.

I find it strange that you talk to me about authority. I have claimed no authority for myself. I thought that you would have more understanding than this. All authority comes from and resides in God. Where people get in trouble with God is when they begin to think that any other thing has authority, including the bible. All authority has been given to Jesus, every single bit, and there is no authority in heaven or on the earth that is not His.

I am beginning to worry about you sister.

that is what i thought you believed but just wanted you to state it clearly.

its ok VW i was worried that their perception of you was right and doubting my own judgement of you.

like I said I was just testing, someone said you claimed to be a prophet and wanted to test your prophecies.

but then Paulnsilas doesn't like ANY spiritual gifts and doesn't like contemporary music so yeah, still think she's got legalistic darkness veiling her sight but anyways.

Since she doesn't fellowship with me and God told us to fellowship with our brothers and sisters in Christ, hmmm what does that tell me about her? but i'll be nice.

unclefester, what is the difference between prophets and the gift of prophecy and what do you think of spiritual gifts and their use for today?

 

[VW]

that is what i thought you believe but just wanted you to state it clearly.

its ok VW i was worried that their perception of you was right and doubting my own judgement of you.

like I said I was just testing, someone said you claimed to be a prophet and wanted to test your prophecies.

but then Paulnsilas doesn't like ANY spiritual gifts and doesn't like contemporary music so yeah, still think she's got legalistic darkness veiling her sight but anyways.

Since she doesn't fellowship with me and God told us to fellowship with our brothers and sisters in Christ, hmmm what does that tell me about her? but i'll be nice.

That gives my heart and spirit much rest.

God bless you with His love by His Spirit.

 

[VW]

Tomorrow, I will start a thread (Lord willing) on the difference between a person who has the gift of prophecy and one called to the office of prophet.

In Christ,

 

[aworldexport67]

Seems a silly argument to be made by a "believer".To be concerned that folks are reading too much of their bible? Doesnt faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God? I would think you would want to implore people to gain more and more of an understanding of God contained in scripture not direct them to seek elsewhere.Indeed not every word God ever spoke is contained nor could a collection of books contain the fullness of God Himself.But make no mistake the scriptures are a miracle and profitable for us Jesus quoted from them all the time.I just dont see this problem you percieve in folks who study the scriptures daily like the berans..a strange argument.I dont understand it..

"No one ever said at the end of his days; 'I have read my bible too much, I have thought of God too much, I have prayed too much, I have been too careful with my soul'"

 

[AnandaHya]

Seems a silly argument to be made by a "believer".To be concerned that folks are reading too much of their bible? Doesnt faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God? I would think you would want to implore people to gain more and more of an understanding of God contained in scripture not direct them to seek elsewhere.Indeed not every word God ever spoke is contained nor could a collection of books contain the fullness of God Himself.But make no mistake the scriptures are a miracle and profitable for us Jesus quoted from them all the time.I just dont see this problem you percieve in folks who study the scriptures daily like the berans..a strange argument.I dont understand it..

"No one ever said at the end of his days; 'I have read my bible too much, I have thought of God too much, I have prayed too much, I have been too careful with my soul'"

i don't think anyone does why anyone would tell people to read their bible less, but I'm hoping that he is saying that you need to pray and trust in God to help reveal how the Bible helps you TODAY in your life. that it is not the BIBLE you worship but GOD. GOD is Supreme and the Bible helps because GOD created it.

however,

VW. i've been reading alot of your post and you have me worried again, but I'll leave it in God's hands. you have found a good BIBLE based church right? God gave us pastors and teachers for a reason. God gave us the Bible for a reason too.

I don't agree with everything people on here say but that doesn't mean they're wrong or don't have a point. you are a very confusing person to know or figure out what you really believe. Its not logical and doesn't make sense.

YouTube - God's love letter

 

[VW]

Seems a silly argument to be made by a "believer".To be concerned that folks are reading too much of their bible? Doesnt faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God? I would think you would want to implore people to gain more and more of an understanding of God contained in scripture not direct them to seek elsewhere.Indeed not every word God ever spoke is contained nor could a collection of books contain the fullness of God Himself.But make no mistake the scriptures are a miracle and profitable for us Jesus quoted from them all the time.I just dont see this problem you percieve in folks who study the scriptures daily like the berans..a strange argument.I dont understand it..

"No one ever said at the end of his days; 'I have read my bible too much, I have thought of God too much, I have prayed too much, I have been too careful with my soul'"

My purpose in this thread was not to stop people from reading the bible. I fail to see how you got that impression.

 

[aworldexport67]

"No, all knowledge of God is not in the bible. And all of His words are not contained therein. For God has not lost His mouth, and He has not stopped talking. We have stopped listening. And just as God judged those who hardened their hearts towards His voice, so He will judge us for the same thing, because He does not change, ever; else He is not God. "


Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Gospel of Christ has been delivered.There is nothing to be added to it.It is complete in scripture.
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was (once)* delivered unto the saints.
the good news is in these books so i just dont understand how a believer could say that it is lacking or imcomplete as to require further revelation to be heard and believed unto salvation..just amazing argument to make.It doesnt hold water.The Bible is the most amazing unique,a miracle its survived,and totally unmatched by anything we have written down. The good news in contained within it and before folks had bibles they were preached too by folks who had read it. Too somehow say that folks became believers without the use of the bible because not many folks had a bible is a weak argument..They heard the good news of the bible by folks who had read it..who rightly divided the word who preached the gospel once delievered to the saints..
even Jesus prays for those folks who will believe by reading the testimony of the apostles..
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
So i dont think the argument is valid. Jesus told me to read and study the scriptures for a whole host a great reasons.

2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[VW]

i don't think anyone does why anyone would tell people to read their bible less, but I'm hoping that he is saying that you need to pray and trust in God to help reveal how the Bible helps you TODAY in your life. that it is not the BIBLE you worship but GOD. GOD is Supreme and the Bible helps because GOD created it.

however,

VW. i've been reading alot of your post and you have me worried again, but I'll leave it in God's hands. you have found a good BIBLE based church right? God gave us pastors and teachers for a reason. God gave us the Bible for a reason too.

I don't agree with everything people on here say but that doesn't mean they're wrong or don't have a point. you are a very confusing person to know or figure out what you really believe. Its not logical and doesn't make sense.

YouTube - God's love letter

Just as reading the bible will not gain intimate knowledge of who God is, neither will reading what I post gain you understanding of who I am.

All I can say is that there is much more than what we see now. It is always a mistake to try to figure people out, because we cannot know what is really inside the heart.

I was shown the the truth of how devoid a biblical based faith is, how it does not and cannot engender love in a person's life. Men want to know scripture, become experts in scripture, be recognized as bible scholars. I was that way once. I did not know God, even though I believed with all of my might that I did. When I meet Him, I knew that God is so much more.

I wonder at this worry about me, and then again not worried, and now worried again. Does not the Spirit tell you if I am His? I know that you are one of His. Are you perfect in all that you know and say? Not any more than I am.

Everyone can be wrong, even a christian. Sometimes very wrong. Only God is never wrong. Only through the Spirit, by His leading and His words, can we know the truth. This fact is the first step into the life of service of a prophet, or an apostle. If one is called to these offices, they will learn this truth, or they will miss the mark.

In Christ,

 

[aworldexport67]

You assume alot. I could not disagree with you more. I dont meet these folks who seek their own glory or want to be called scholars.should i assume that all people are like that? no some do, some dont..i dont.reading scripture, seeking out the things God has revealed is not wasted time. I just cant relate to your position on this. I will listen to what Jesus and the Apostles said concerning the value of the scriptures. I exhort folks to do the same.

This Book contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners and the happiness of believers.
Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.

Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy.
It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword, and the Christian’s character.

Here paradise is restored, Heaven opened, and the gates of hell disclosed.

Christ is its grand object; our good is its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart, and guide the feet.

Read it slowly, frequently, and prayerfully. It is given you in life and will be opened in the judgment and will be remembered forever.

It involves the highest responsibility, will reward the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

Author Unknown

 

[VW]

You assume alot. I could not disagree with you more. I dont meet these folks who seek their own glory or want to be called scholars.should i assume that all people are like that? no some do, some dont..i dont.reading scripture, seeking out the things God has revealed is not wasted time. I just cant relate to your position on this. I will listen to what Jesus and the Apostles said concerning the value of the scriptures. I exhort folks to do the same.

This Book contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners and the happiness of believers.
Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.

Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy.
It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword, and the Christian’s character.

Here paradise is restored, Heaven opened, and the gates of hell disclosed.

Christ is its grand object; our good is its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart, and guide the feet.

Read it slowly, frequently, and prayerfully. It is given you in life and will be opened in the judgment and will be remembered forever.

It involves the highest responsibility, will reward the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

Author Unknown

Did you read what I posted at the beginning of this thread? Or did you just read a part, and because it offended your belief in scripture you closed your mind and heart to what I said?

The way to Jesus is not as easy as you would make it, because He will offend us if we do draw near to Him. Believe that or not, it is up to you.

In Christ,

 

[aworldexport67]

No it is not complicated at all....

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him Crucified.

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Jesus does all the work.It is not in the one believing but the One believed in Jesus Christ the righteous.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Sorry but God says to draw nigh unto Himself...The believer can approach the throne of God.

 

[unclefester]

Just as reading the bible will not gain intimate knowledge of who God is, neither will reading what I post gain you understanding of who I am.

TRANSLATION : To gain "intimate" knowledge of who God is, don't trust God's Divinely Inspired Word. Rather, trust VW ,... your "go-to" guy....your new intermediary.


I was shown the the truth of how devoid a biblical based faith is, how it does not and cannot engender love in a person's life. Men want to know scripture, become experts in scripture, be recognized as bible scholars. I was that way once. I did not know God, even though I believed with all of my might that I did. When I met Him, I knew that God is so much more.

TRANSLATION : Trust in VW with all your heart and all your soul ....and lean not unto God's Divinely Inspired Word. Men want to know scripture, become experts in scripture, be recognized as bible scholars. He was once that way...... but now he's so much more. He's now God's "prophet".....God's voice. He will show us all the REAL way to true salvation.... IF we are "open to the spirit". Forget about that "righteousness through faith and not of works" stuff. God was only kidding when He said that.


Are you perfect in all that you know and say? Not any more than I am.

TRANSLATION : If you call me a prophet, I'll call you one too.


Everyone can be wrong, even a christian. Sometimes very wrong. Only God is never wrong. Only through the Spirit, by His leading and His words, can we know the truth. This fact is the first step into the life of service of a prophet, or an apostle. If one is called to these offices, they will learn this truth, or they will miss the mark.


What Words ? Surely not the Word (Divinely Inspired Scripture) that will not gain us intimate knowledge of who God is (like you said in your first paragraph) ? You must be referring to the words that God speaks directly to you.

He who has ears to hear,...let him hear.

 

[AnandaHya]

Just as reading the bible will not gain intimate knowledge of who God is, neither will reading what I post gain you understanding of who I am.

All I can say is that there is much more than what we see now. It is always a mistake to try to figure people out, because we cannot know what is really inside the heart.

Jesus tells us out of the mouth comes words that reveal the heart of a man.

I was shown the the truth of how devoid a biblical based faith is, how it does not and cannot engender love in a person's life. Men want to know scripture, become experts in scripture, be recognized as bible scholars. I was that way once. I did not know God, even though I believed with all of my might that I did. When I meet Him, I knew that God is so much more.

People should base their faith on the salvation of Jesus who died on the cross for our sins. the bible is an integral part of learning God's will for it reveals God's heart and plan for His creation and world and the means for us to STAY in His HOLY WORD who is Jesus and THE HOLY BIBLE. We worship GOD but every WORD is sacred and useful. otherwise God would not have had them written down. worship the Creator not the creation.

I wonder at this worry about me, and then again not worried, and now worried again. Does not the Spirit tell you if I am His? I know that you are one of His. Are you perfect in all that you know and say? Not any more than I am.

i've seen too many people stray and have psychotic breaks and if possible through the grace of GOD, i would not see any one else do so. the Spirit told me to keep an eye on you and tell you that you need to watch your words and thoughts and HARNASS them for JESUS through daily reading of your Bible.

Everyone can be wrong, even a christian. Sometimes very wrong. Only God is never wrong. Only through the Spirit, by His leading and His words, can we know the truth. This fact is the first step into the life of service of a prophet, or an apostle. If one is called to these offices, they will learn this truth, or they will miss the mark.

In Christ,

if you claim the title of prophet, you can not "miss the mark" if you say your words are from God. you can not let a stray thought or word CONDEMN anyone unjustly. you must LISTEN more then speak. That is why I think its better if no one state they are prophets or apostle but just do the work GOd has laid out for them. the title of "child of God" should be enough. Jesus was called the SON of Man, he did not tell people to bow down and worship Him while He walked this earth but to "do the will of my Heavenly Father"

we should do the same and some one pointed out that when you call yourself a prophet people might be tempted to worship you, even if its wrong.

they tried to worship Paul after he healed some people as Zeus incarnate and Paul fled from them.

therefore I would flee from anything that distracts people from worshiping GOD our HEVEANLY FATHER.

JESUS SAVES, we just help in whatever way God ask us to.


I worry out of love, but I will trust that God will fix it all.

God has not said anything about you being a prophet or not, but He has told me the title is tainted and does not need to be used, because the darkness has claimed the word and placed corrupt images in the minds of believers when they hear it spoken. So it would be better leave it alone until Jesus moves on to speak on the subject.

Just when you speak make sure they are for the benefit of the hearer not the speaker.

to walk in love you must do and say what is best for your brethren, not yourself. you must put others needs before your own.

if you think to be high you must be servant to all, for did not Jesus watch His disciples feet?

 

[VW]

Just because the evil uses a name does not make that name invalid. I do not think you understand what a prophet is even still.

The servant of God is one whom God hears, as much as he hears God.

I hate the things that are said here by others, but I know that God is pushing them to the point of complete error so that even they might see. He does this because He does not want even one to perish.

I don't think I have condemned anyone at all, but have been condemned by many, unjustly. That is fine, I am learning to take even this hurt.

I do need to watch my thoughts, but daily reading of the bible? You added that yourself. The bible lives in me. When my thoughts are bad, He convicts me, and I confess with Him right then.

The bible has a place in our lives, our spiritual lives. But we must not trust the bible, rather we must trust the one who spoke the bible. I can hear it now, the hue and cry, but hear the why, or not.

In this country we have something called the constitution. It is an agreement that the government and everyone who serves in that government pledges to obey and protect and defend. But this agreement is an idea more than a document of rules and laws, and represents that idea. But over the many years since its inception, it has become almost worthless as a document to protect freedom, because it have become more important than the idea. This is happening to the bible. Because we have held it in a place where we almost worship it, and where we live by it, we are causing it to become less than it could and should be. Everyone tells me that the bible leads to God, but when do you begin to hear God and obey Him? Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness. Not that he believed in God, he heard God when He told him that he would have a son by Sarah, and even though it appeared impossible to him, he believed what God had spoken to him. Even on the mountain with the knife to his son's neck, he believed. What God had spoken to him! Do we have that kind of faith? No, because we don't even believe that God speaks to us.

And now you know my purpose, my ministry. To teach others to hear the voice of God. To show that His love is not from afar, and that we are not to wait until He returns to receive His love and life, but we are to know these now.

Jesus washed the feet of those who were with Him. Those who loved Him. Those who had nothing at all but Him. And each of these became men who walked in Jesus to the end of their days on this world. I know some like this, and their feet are being washed, even now.