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Dino246

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Its a literal account with a signified or spiritual understanding . The whole bible the tongue of God is written that way. The signature God has spoken as it is written .
It amazes me that you don't grasp the simple phrase, "as it is written" but insist on turning it into a parable. It isn't.

Without parables Christ spoke not.
You have taken this out of context, misinterpreted it, and applied it incorrectly.
 
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Its a literal account with a signified or spiritual understanding . The whole bible the tongue of God is written that way. The signature God has spoken as it is written .Without parables Christ spoke not.

He could of literally performed that work in the twinkling of the eye
As I have said before...like water into wine. So, why did He take so long?

The Christ spoke without parables too.
 

UnoiAmarah

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It was permissible then...man would have been the closest to naturally pure yesterday sir...

And man, due to the fall is NOT the same yesterday, today, or tomorrow....too many things affect man and too many things are effected by man
I not sure where the issue of 'pure' came from, since no matter how biologically pure a person is they are still subject to the nature of this physical world, meaning the have up to a 120 years in the flesh, and it is going to cease.

I was referring unto the act of 'incest' since it is mental state that is a reflection of the person's soul, sorry if I gave you the impression it was only biological.

But you do believe that the word of the LORD is the same yesterday, today and for ever more right?
 
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I'm an old earth/universe creationist and i take Genesis to be literal but the 7 days are long periods of earth time.
I would offer another perspective using light .

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God "is" light, and in him is no darkness at all.

I would think the words below. . and finished "all" the work(singular) would include any previous works . It was not another work added prior to and then . . .And on the seventh day God ended his "work", (singular) . One work of His faith .

Genesis 2 King James Version (KJV)2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Nothing in that verse about another work hidden.

God as eternal Spirit is Light and not a man. When His eternal Glory came on the scene. "In the beginning God."

Not that he creates light but his whole essence as His glory is light, Love, Spirit. The three that make God one .

Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

The above shows that God who is Light defining good as his own fingerprint using light to reveal .

For the first three days .He would expose His glory as light for 12 hours and hide himself for 12.

When God saw pride in lucifer's heart.(Day 4 ) Time under the Sun began. God then created a source of light (Sun and Moon) The corruption time keeper to show to the world the whole creation moans to be clothed with the incorruptible. . the wrath of God revealed from heaven. . Pagan religions use a "Sun God" as the source of the beginning. It would appear the Holy Spirit was aware in advance of faithless men .

Day four. .
. . And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1: 13-19

When the corruption time keeper run out the order minus night will be the light. God is Light. In him there is no darkness.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. Revelation 21: 22-26
 
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As I have said before...like water into wine. So, why did He take so long?

The Christ spoke without parables too.
The water to wine parable ?

And yes the historical has it place when mixed with faith . Its why we need the tools he has given us so that can we rightly divide the parables. A tool for teaching how to walk by faith ,

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

miknik5

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I not sure where the issue of 'pure' came from, since no matter how biologically pure a person is they are still subject to the nature of this physical world, meaning the have up to a 120 years in the flesh, and it is going to cease.

I was referring unto the act of 'incest' since it is mental state that is a reflection of the person's soul, sorry if I gave you the impression it was only biological.

But you do believe that the word of the LORD is the same yesterday, today and for ever more right?
Sir, in the time of Adam, there were no commands from GOD yet. Please keep that in mind.
Remember also all things are pure to those who are pure...

I am not condoning incest sir...but, they were physically close to perfect than any other man ever can be...

There is one account of incest in the bible, and it wasn´t the act that was impure, it was the attitude of one of the partners which made that very act impure...
 

miknik5

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The issue of closest to being physically pure would have been the truth that it, the environment, and man, were in a NEWLY fallen state sir...
 

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The issue of closest to being physically pure would have been the truth that it, the environment, and man, were in a NEWLY fallen state sir...
Your perceptions, estimations and forum decorum are most refreshing.
 

miknik5

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All things are pure to those who are pure...inwardly, that is...
And it is clear in the account of David´s son...his heart was not pure...
 
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The son of Cain named Enoch is not the same Enoch referenced in Genesis 5:24.

But really the point is the word of the LORD is the same yesterday, today and in perpetuity so the possibility that incest would have been necessary or required in order for mankind to populate the earth is naught, and the probability nil. In other words, if it was permissible then it would be permissible now.

However, I got to give credit to Richard Dawkins for acknowledging the commonality between the accounts of man's origin and thus proposes that mankind didn't evolved from one set of two progenitors but one set of three progenitors in a lecture entitled "There never was a first person."

Those three being the Y-Chromosome Adam, the Mitochondrial Eve and the third being our most recent common ancestor. However, many don't recognize where that concept originated from but then they wouldn't believe a parable anyway.
I thought they were same Enoch!😮 Thankyou for that
 
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The water to wine parable ?
It wasn’t a parable. The servants filled six water pots & He (Jesus) turned them into ‘the best’ wine (according to the master of the feast).

And yes the historical has it place when mixed with faith . Its why we need the tools he has given us so that can we rightly divide the parables. A tool for teaching how to walk by faith ,

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

bojack

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And the post you quoted of mine, is me being serious why we just cannot hop into some space shuttle and fly all over the Universe because its vast expansion is proving the theory of the Universe being almost 14 Billion years old. Distance in Space is measured several ways, but generally it's based upon light years, or how long an object's light takes to travel for us to be able to observe it. This alone proves this Universe could never be as young as 6,000 years when something we view at night literally takes billions of years to reach us.
Doesn't God inhabit His creation ?
 

bojack

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He could have the entire time even if it took 1 day or quadrillion years.
My point is that God is light and when He said ''let there be light'' where in His creation was dark from one end to the other and in between ?
 
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My point is that God is light and when He said ''let there be light'' where in His creation was dark from one end to the other and in between ?

Aha, good point.

We do not know that God remained in the physical place He spoke Creation into place. He could have done 1 day and left and returned for day 2. If He left, this is why He wanted a physical "light" to be in place (Sol/sun and moon).
 

bojack

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Sir, in the time of Adam, there were no commands from GOD yet. Please keep that in mind.
Remember also all things are pure to those who are pure...

I am not condoning incest sir...but, they were physically close to perfect than any other man ever can be...

There is one account of incest in the bible, and it wasn´t the act that was impure, it was the attitude of one of the partners which made that very act impure...
Actually Adam was created on the 6th day and was placed in a garden God had created and Adam was given the first law ,yet on the 6th day He created man male and female He created them with instruction to subdue the earth and provisions what they were given to eat .. It's possible there were more than Adam and Eve but if so Adam and Eve were the only one in relationship with God .. remember ''for Adam no suitable helpmate was found'' .. Eve was/is the mother of all the living
 

bojack

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Aha, good point.

We do not know that God remained in the physical place He spoke Creation into place. He could have done 1 day and left and returned for day 2. If He left, this is why He wanted a physical "light" to be in place (Sol/sun and moon).
God is omnipresent and even scripture assures us who belong to Him ''wherever we go God is there''
 

bojack

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Aha, good point.

We do not know that God remained in the physical place He spoke Creation into place. He could have done 1 day and left and returned for day 2. If He left, this is why He wanted a physical "light" to be in place (Sol/sun and moon).
Excuse me Bro I have a 3yr old granddaughter calling for my attention sometimes and I have to get off the board to give it, lol
 

bojack

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Aha, good point.

We do not know that God remained in the physical place He spoke Creation into place. He could have done 1 day and left and returned for day 2. If He left, this is why He wanted a physical "light" to be in place (Sol/sun and moon).
So we know the sun, moon, stars were created and placed in the heaven . All Plants/ vegetation the 3rd day .. They could have easily went a day without photo synthesis but I doubt too much longer, as in a thousand years or more
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.