Prophecy, it’s not what most think.

garee · May 23, 2020

Fulfilment of what. the reformation began when the veil was rent. When the words it is fished were given to the Son form the father.

Not sure where this 70 AD tradition of men came about? There was no sign that spoke of that . I think someone is looking But the abomination of desolation differently than how the Bible defines the usage of the phrase. When Jesu stepped out of the abomination of desolation "temple built with human hands" its purpose to destroy the was destroyed. The graves were opened .And the temple using living mankind was restored as it was before there were Kings in Israel "abomination of desolation"

oyster67 · May 23, 2020

tourist said:

The floating fulfillment happened in the past, back in Noah's day.

TheDivineWatermark · May 23, 2020

tourist said:

Nice.

My accomplishments include the honored title of Dunce-Cap to the nth Degree.

oyster67 · May 23, 2020

TheDivineWatermark said:

1 Peter 2
2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

… beat that!

biker · May 23, 2020

Dave-L said:

Nowhere did I claim I was the only one. You have made that judgement on your own merits.

biker · May 23, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Thank You!
Now show me in Scripture where I am wrong at, since I have provided Scripture with an accurate assessment to its interpretation?

TheDivineWatermark · May 23, 2020

garee said:

Okay (sorry garee), this made me laugh.

Are we talkin' Matt4 where Peter and Andrew were "the fishers," or maybe back as far as Noah's Ark (perhaps they fished off the side of the boat?), or are we talkin' as far back as the Fifth Day of Creation?

[I know we all make typos and have insufficient time to edit them... this one just made me laugh, esp in view of the recent comment about the ark (by oyster67 in Post #342, lol)... no offence, garee

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TheDivineWatermark · May 23, 2020

oyster67 said:

Agreed. I'll admit to having been called a "dog" a time, times, and not a few...

= D

Truth7t7 · May 23, 2020

CS1 said:

FYI living the " Sermon on the Mount." is not a career. FYI Jesus went to school up until the age of possibly 24, as most Jewish males did during that day. WE are to live the Sermon on the Mount each day and guess what, You can have a career by which you live it at also.

You are needing to be more humble. And work on a teachable spirit. You know nothing of the sideline. You attack what you could not do. I think you just gave up on it. FYI many have done so and went back and finished it.

Here is something for you, Learning is a life long process. Diplomas, degrees, certification, and learning. It will happen until you take your last breath. Sermon on the Mount> and what Jesus said is not a check this box and be done it is not a career it is a spiritual walk and lifestyle that you do at home, at work, at school, in your relationship with people.

You have an unfulfilled spirit because you are driven by Legalism not love. it makes you prideful and angry. You need to rethink your biblical understanding.

I havent witnessed this with Dave in the week I've been on forums.

However I have witnessed Mob rule against him.

Truth7t7 · May 23, 2020

oyster67 said:

Revelation 20

20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You post (3) more verses from Revelation, there is no earthly kingdom or mortal humans seen

Now what ya gonna do?

TheDivineWatermark · May 23, 2020

Dave-L said:

It sounds as though you are calling the disciples "Pharisees," because, as you recall, they were still asking Jesus about the TIMING of the kingdom, in Acts 1... after having already had some "40 days" of His teaching (after His resurrection) on that very Subject... and He does not correct their thinking... He just addresses their question, which had to do with its TIMING, not its NATURE.

Recall, the article I'd posted on that:

[quoting excerpt]

33. It ignores the life-setting of the disciples’ question in Acts 1:6 in the context of their already having had forty days teaching about the very thing they asked about (“the kingdom” – see Acts 1:3). This reflects badly on the clarity of the Risen Lord’s teaching about the kingdom. But the tenacity with which these disciples still clung to literal fulfillments would also prove the validity of #’s 23, 26, 27, 28 & 32 above.

34. This resistance to the clear expectation of the disciples also ignores the question of the disciples, which was about the timing of the restoration of the kingdom to Israel, not its nature.

https://sharperiron.org/article/forty-reasons-for-not-reinterpreting-ot-nt-last-twenty

"Forty Reasons for Not Re-Interpreting the OT by the NT: the Last Twenty" by Paul Martin Henebury

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See again this vid by him:

Truth7t7 · May 23, 2020

CS1 said:

It's a fact that those who believe any part of Matthew 24 in The Olivet Discourse being fulfilled in the 1st century as being "Preterist" In their eschatology.

All Matt 24, full preterist

Part Matt 24, partial preterist

You might not like a label, but your belief carrys one.

Truth7t7 · May 23, 2020

garee said:

Fulfilment of what. the reformation began when the veil was rent. When the words it is fished were given to the Son form the father.

Not sure where this 70 AD tradition of men came about? There was no sign that spoke of that . I think someone is looking But the abomination of desolation differently than how the Bible defines the usage of the phrase. When Jesu stepped out of the abomination of desolation "temple built with human hands" its purpose to destroy the was destroyed. The graves were opened .And the temple using living mankind was restored as it was before there were Kings in Israel "abomination of desolation"

I strongly disagree with your interpretation of Daniels Abomination.

Scripture teaches this will be a future event that hasnt been fulfilled.

TheDivineWatermark · May 23, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

What about the "Historicist" viewpoint... some of whom believe Matt24's "GREAT tribulation" STARTED in the first century and ENDS at His Second Coming to the earth (lasting that ENTIRE spans of time).

[note to the readers: I disagree with the Historicist viewpoint, for reasons I've listed in past posts]

Truth7t7 · May 23, 2020

TheDivineWatermark said:

It sounds as though you are calling the disciples "Pharisees," because, as you recall, they were still asking Jesus about the TIMING of the kingdom, in Acts 1... after having already had some "40 days" of His teaching (after His resurrection) on that very Subject... and He does not correct their thinking... He just addresses their question, which had to do with its TIMING, not its NATURE.

Recall, the article I'd posted on that:

[quoting excerpt]

33. It ignores the life-setting of the disciples’ question in Acts 1:6 in the context of their already having had forty days teaching about the very thing they asked about (“the kingdom” – see Acts 1:3). This reflects badly on the clarity of the Risen Lord’s teaching about the kingdom. But the tenacity with which these disciples still clung to literal fulfillments would also prove the validity of #’s 23, 26, 27, 28 & 32 above.

34. This resistance to the clear expectation of the disciples also ignores the question of the disciples, which was about the timing of the restoration of the kingdom to Israel, not its nature.

https://sharperiron.org/article/forty-reasons-for-not-reinterpreting-ot-nt-last-twenty

"Forty Reasons for Not Re-Interpreting the OT by the NT: the Last Twenty" by Paul Martin Henebury

____________

See again this vid by him:

No such thing as replacement theology.

This is a false tag hung on bible believers, that deny modern day Zionism.

The Church is the "Israel Of God"
Romans 9:6-8

TheDivineWatermark · May 23, 2020

So you're going to disregard the entire video simply due to the title of it, and your pre-conceived notions on that?

ALL 73 occurrences of the word "Israel" in the NT, ALL *MEAN* "Israel":

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm

- "How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"

[be sure to check out the entries especially under Rom9:6, Rom11:26, Eph2:12, and Gal6:16--the verses most often used by Covenant theologians to support their (faulty) viewpoint]

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= ) I was actually coming back on here to post the following:

[quoting]

#18

Consider also another post I had made some time back:

[quoting an excerpt from old post]

... how many times does the word "years" (used with any given number, in connection with it, in Scripture) not mean "[that many] years"? ["______ years" (insert any number as found in scripture, here)]

[end quoting]

The biblical answer is... exactly ZERO.

There are NO instances in the Bible where the word "years" used with a number, that it DOESN'T MEAN *THAT many* number of "years".

Zero times.

The oft-repeated argument (taken from the 'amill-talking-points' book) is a lame one.

TheDivineWatermark · May 23, 2020

TheDivineWatermark said:

One reason this viewpoint ^ cannot be true, is because at the MID-point of the future trib [at the FIFTH TRUMPET/FIRST WOE unto the earth] Satan and his angels are "cast down unto the earth" Rev12:12 and context (and are then limited to that sphere), when there are 1260 days yet remaining until Christ's Second Coming to the earth. Corresponding to other passages, and "fitting" SEQUENTIALLY 1260 days BEFORE he will then be "cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up in the prison, that he should deceive the nations NO MORE, UNTIL the thousand years are completed" Rev20:3 (parallel with the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23], whereas the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that text are said to be SEPARATED by a spans of TIME between the FIRST "PUNISH" word and the SECOND "PUNISH" word--just like we see in Rev19-20! [Rev20 supplying the LENGTH of time, being the "further information" of same time-period between])

Dino246 · May 23, 2020

garee said:

The "what" is clear in the post to which you responded: Matthew 24, verses 15 and 21.

garee said:

Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. It's not a "tradition of men" but real history. It also took place after all Scripture was penned, which is why Scripture doesn't record it in hindsight.

garee said:

That someone is you.

garee said:

The temple was not the abomination of desolation. If you think it is, support your view with clear, relevant Scripture. I don't think it is, because Jesus spoke of the A of D standing in "the holy place" which is part of the temple.

garee said:

Please proofread your posts before submitting them so that you don't post incomplete sentences like this one.

reneweddaybyday · May 23, 2020

Dave-L said:

Here's an interesting tidbit for you, Dave-L —

Luke 4:

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave itagain to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Now, go back to Isaiah 61:

1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God ...

According to Jesus, the prophecy in Isaiah 61 1-2 was only partially fulfilled.

The day of vengeance of our God —

Talk about rightly dividing God's Word. Jesus started reading the prophecy of Isaiah ... stopped mid-verse (even though we know that back then Scripture was not broken down into chapters/verses). Just shows how closely Jesus stuck to God's Word.

Anyway ... just something for you to think about seeing as how you're so interested in prophecy ...

[p.s. ... not sure you'll read this post cuz it's kinda long ...

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Truth7t7 · May 23, 2020

TheDivineWatermark said:

"Ethnic Jews" They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

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