The Preterist view was unheard of until 16th century Jesuit Alcazar presented as a diversion tactic against the Reformation. No ECFs said Jesus came back; to the contrary, they wrote about future fulfillment of things like the fall of the Restrainer and rise of Antichrist.
Would you please quit with the Jesuit stuff! You're just repeating the apologetics created from those whose teachings you have adopted. It's like you're reading a script. I did not learn about the fact that the church must be gathered prior to God's wrath, but came to my conclusions purely from scripture. It is a very simple deduction:
* The wrath of God is coming upon this earth in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments
* Believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath because Jesus suffered it, satisfying it completely
In John 14:1-3, Jesus promises His disciples and all believers, that He is going to the Father's house to prepare places for us and that He will come again a take us to the Father's house to the places that He prepared, so that where He is we may be also. I Thess.4:13-18 is a detailed account of John 14:1-3 when Jesus descends to the atmosphere and calls up His church, dead and living. This event must and will take place prior to the opening of the first seal which initiates God's wrath
OK, this is so easily shot down. Daniel mentions the 2,300 Days only after the Ram and He Goat have passed off the stage of history-
Your error is putting Daniel in chronological order. Back in Daniel 2, which is prior to the information in Daniel 11, He interprets Nebuchadnezzar's dream regarding the image which represents the kingdoms of Babylon, Medo/Persia, Greece, Rome and the later revived or extended ten-toed kingdom of Rome made of partly backed clay and iron. My point being that, Daniel is not chronological, but skips from time period to time period to time period.
I'm not even going to bother giving an answer to anything more, because you, like so many others, have been indoctrinated into many false teachings. You're going to have to find out the truth the hard way by experiencing it first hand. So, the following is what is going to take place:
* We are here
* Jesus descends to the air and will gather His church which is always imminent
* That ruler (antichrist) will make a seven year covenant with Israel initiating that last seven years of the seventy sevens
* The emergence of the antichrist is represented by the opening of the first seal rider on the white horse, with the rest of the seals, trumpets and bowls of God wrath being carried out throughout the entire seven years
* In the middle of the seven years the abomination (idolatrous image) will be set up in the holy place within the new temple, which causes the desolation of Israel where she will flee out into the wilderness and be cared for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, as mentioned in Matt.24:15-22 and Rev.12:6, 14.
* After the 7th bowl has been poured out which completes God's wrath, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age with the church following Him out of heaven, which are those who will have previously been resurrected and caught up, riding on white horses and wearing her fine linen white and clean which she will have received in heaven at the wedding of the Lamb as revealed in Rev.19:6-8
* The beast (the horn of Daniel speaking boastful words) and the false prophet will be captured and the two of them will be cast into the lake of fire alive (Rev.19:20)
* All of the wicked who will have worshipped the beast, his image and received his mark, will be killed by the double-edged sword which will proceed from the mouth of the Lord, which is figuratively representing the word of God (Heb.4:12, Eph.6:14, Rev.19:21).
* Satan will be seized and thrown into and sealed up in the Abyss during the Lord's thousand year kingdom so that he cannot deceive the nations during that time
* Those great tribulation saints who will have died during the tribulation will be resurrected, they belonging to the first resurrection. And they, along with the church and the 144,000 will rule with Christ during that thousand years. (Rev.2:26, 12:5 and 20:4-6)
* Millennial kingdom
* Satan will be released from the Abyss at the end of the thousand years (Rev.20:7)
* Satan will deceive the nations one last time who surround Jerusalem and will be killed by fire from God out of heaven (Rev.20:9)
* Satan cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown, where they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
* All of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history will be resurrected, their spirits being released from Hades, where they will stand before God at the great white throne judgment to be judged for every sin they committed and then thrown into the lake of fire.
* New heaven, new earth, New Jerusalem
* Eternity ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
Since you are bent on believing the false teachings of men, I will not continue in this debate, as you are just repeating their teachings.
You will know that all that I told you was the truth when you see the church removed from the earth, followed by that antichrist making his seven year covenant with Israel, which will allow them to build their temple.