How does Satan work in the church?

[JaumeJ]

People began separating the faithful non/Israelites from the nations immediately after the ascension of our Savior, Jesus-Yeshua.

It is too bad they overlook the Good Shepherd-s teaching that we are jointed to the Original Flock by Him.

Ergo, denominations beginning with Judaism and now with the many sects under the umbrella name, Christian.

It does not take much understanding of the Word to know this but people would rather believe what each believes is true.

 

[Blik]

You know something I never understood about satan tempting Jesus is that he should have known better. In genesis it says the word was with God and was God Jesus is the word and if he is indeed God that means he was already eternal so satan who once resided in heaven knew him and yet he was foolish enough to try to trick Jesus like that?

Now as for the whole sunday or saturday thing for the sabbath technically to find out the exact day for it we cannot go with how our lunar and solar calendar works we have to go by how the jews used it which techincally is why on saturdays most churches who do saturday services do it close to night time because for the jews the next day officially begins as soon as the sun has gone completely down so it would be saturday for us but sunday for them

Easter was not even something the Jews did it is a man made holiday that is supposed to be about celebrating the resurrection of Jesus but lets be it's honest it's about a bunny hiding eggs and honestly it's pagan origins is absolutely disgusting I don't even want to go into details about it.

However the things like the sabbath and passover were for the jews and not just because it was commanded but because they were prophetic representations of what Jesus would complete. In his death and resurrection he became our passover and our sabbath in him these were complete
Now for those who do still celebrate them it is done in reverence to what he did at least that is how it should be, it is no longer commanded but it honors him

You say Sabbath and Passover was for the Jews, but isn't that something you have added? I think that is using scripture with the kind of twist to it that Satan does. My E-sword tells me there are 79 verses in scripture that speak of strangers, and that is not counting the word sojourners. Most of these is the Lord telling us He included them in His instructions.

 

[Blain]

You say Sabbath and Passover was for the Jews, but isn't that something you have added? I think that is using scripture with the kind of twist to it that Satan does. My E-sword tells me there are 79 verses in scripture that speak of strangers, and that is not counting the word sojourners. Most of these is the Lord telling us He included them in His instructions.

Do you recall how when Jesus and his followers were walking and it happened to be the sabbath but his followers picked the grain to eat? The pharisees were undertandbly upset about this but what did Jesus say to them in response? “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls

Understanding the purpose of the sabbath is very important, it was about unity and rest in God and in Christ, his followers knew the customs but even though we don't seem to read about Jesus explaining the rest he was speaking of before hand concerning the sabbath his followers somehow seemed to know and understand this.
I Every feast day was not about how obedient we are in observing them it was always about Christ. We are in him we find rest in him he said he didi not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, to fulfill it means that intended to become the law for us because the law is a heavy burden but his yoke is not.

The Jews were given the law of the sabbath to point to Christ however when Christ was confronted by the pharisees about his followers not obeying the sabbath did Jesus get on to them or the pharisees?

 

[Bbrdrd]

Your decision that Paul put aside all the Law is an example of Satan quoting scripture to you, but adding His twist to it.

Your editorializing doesn't answer my question. In 1 Corinthians when Paul became as one without the law was he sinning?

 

[Blik]

Your editorializing doesn't answer my question. In 1 Corinthians when Paul became as one without the law was he sinning?

Your question shows a lack of basic scripture knowledge and the complete answer would be to train you in scripture. In the first place, you need to know about Paul, what his mission was that the Lord gave him. Here is a scripture that might help you understand his writings: Acts 24:14 (NKJV) - "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets. You haven't understood 1 Corinthians or you wouldn't ask such a silly question.

 

[Blik]

Do you recall how when Jesus and his followers were walking and it happened to be the sabbath but his followers picked the grain to eat? The pharisees were undertandbly upset about this but what did Jesus say to them in response? “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls

Understanding the purpose of the sabbath is very important, it was about unity and rest in God and in Christ, his followers knew the customs but even though we don't seem to read about Jesus explaining the rest he was speaking of before hand concerning the sabbath his followers somehow seemed to know and understand this.
I Every feast day was not about how obedient we are in observing them it was always about Christ. We are in him we find rest in him he said he didi not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, to fulfill it means that intended to become the law for us because the law is a heavy burden but his yoke is not.

The Jews were given the law of the sabbath to point to Christ however when Christ was confronted by the pharisees about his followers not obeying the sabbath did Jesus get on to them or the pharisees?

First, thanks, You always give such scripture based answers.

Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath, also by helping a man. His answer that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath (if I remember correctly) sums up the purpose of the Sabbath. I think the Lord uses the physical as a link to the spiritual. In scripture they always work together. If we discount either one aspect or the other I think we get it wrong. So resting in the Sabbath would be an actual physical rest and an actual spiritual rest. There is also a deeper hidden meaning in scripture and that hidden meaning was pointing to Christ. I think we have to give each of these meaning equal importance.

 

[Dino246]

Your question shows a lack of basic scripture knowledge and the complete answer would be to train you in scripture. In the first place, you need to know about Paul, what his mission was that the Lord gave him. Here is a scripture that might help you understand his writings: Acts 24:14 (NKJV) - "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets. You haven't understood 1 Corinthians or you wouldn't ask such a silly question.

If you understood his question (I see you didn't answer it!), you wouldn't give such a snarky response.

Does Paul say there that he follows all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets? No. He believes them. There's a profound difference.

 

[Blain]

First, thanks, You always give such scripture based answers.

Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath, also by helping a man. His answer that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath (if I remember correctly) sums up the purpose of the Sabbath. I think the Lord uses the physical as a link to the spiritual. In scripture they always work together. If we discount either one aspect or the other I think we get it wrong. So resting in the Sabbath would be an actual physical rest and an actual spiritual rest. There is also a deeper hidden meaning in scripture and that hidden meaning was pointing to Christ. I think we have to give each of these meaning equal importance.

I just wish I could actually remember scriptures It's annoying having to search up verses I have read a hundred times.

But you know that is an intersting way to look it It's kind of like how I always liken water wind fire and earth as physical representations of the things of the spirit.

 

[p_rehbein]

the same way he works everywhere else.............deception, deceit, lies, and reminding people of what they were before being born again...........

 

[Bbrdrd]

Your question shows a lack of basic scripture knowledge and the complete answer would be to train you in scripture. In the first place, you need to know about Paul, what his mission was that the Lord gave him. Here is a scripture that might help you understand his writings: Acts 24:14 (NKJV) - "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets. You haven't understood 1 Corinthians or you wouldn't ask such a silly question.

Sounds like you're saying you'd have to twist like a pretzel to give a proper answer. It's a simple yes or no question.

 

[Lion222]

How does Satan work in the church?

Through Christians.

 

[Blik]

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Sounds like you're saying you'd have to twist like a pretzel to give a proper answer. It's a simple yes or no question.

If it required a simple yes or no I would have answered yes or not. You state "when Paul put aside the law". When I came to grips with this question I spent three months in intense study to answering this because there seems to be scriptures saying Paul did, and many scriptures saying the law cannot be put aside.

I found the answer and finding it required hours upon hours devoted to digging up and checking and rechecking to be sure that what I was told was truthful. I have been scorned for the answer I found. But I found that scripture is truth and no scripture disagrees with any other scripture. Paul did not set aside the law. And Yes, there was something he set aside and the answer is in finding out exactly what that was. So no, then, Paul only reports truth.

 

[Blik]

Not exactly. So the way he works is as follows:
1. Deception (as in Eden)
2. Temptation (as in Eden & the wilderness)
3. Division (particularly over Sabbath keeping)
4. Spiritual Confusion
5. False apostles, false prophets, false teachers, false brethren
6. Corrupt Bibles
7. False doctrines and heresies
8. Attacks on the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, and the finished work of Christ
9. False gospels
10. Convincing Christians that the Old Covenant is still in force.

You are stating the things Satan is doing in the church, but this post is about HOW he is doing it.

Satan is doing it be quoting truth, then using that truth to point to a lie.

He ha done it for you, I see for you state Satan "Convinced others the old covenant was still in force". Moses taught many things to train the mob who escaped Egypt that is not in force any longer, so Satan used that to say all of Moses is not for Christians any longer. Satan took the truth and twisted it to achieve his ends. That is how he works to achieve the other items on your list.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Satan is doing it be quoting truth, then using that truth to point to a lie. He ha done it for you, I see for you state Satan "Convinced others the old covenant was still in force".

Actually Satan has convinced you that BOTH the Old and New Covenants can be valid at one and the same time. That is a lie from Satan, since God and Christ say that that is not possible. God says that the Old Covenant has been abolished.

This is just like the sin of David in numbering Israel, when he was expressly forbidden from doing so. Satan instigated David to go ahead and number Israel, and he and Israel paid a terrible price. Similarly Satan has been instigating you to insist that the Old Covenant is still in force, so you can expect to pay a price also.

 

[Dino246]

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If it required a simple yes or no I would have answered yes or not. You state "when Paul put aside the law". When I came to grips with this question I spent three months in intense study to answering this because there seems to be scriptures saying Paul did, and many scriptures saying the law cannot be put aside.

I found the answer and finding it required hours upon hours devoted to digging up and checking and rechecking to be sure that what I was told was truthful. I have been scorned for the answer I found. But I found that scripture is truth and no scripture disagrees with any other scripture. Paul did not set aside the law. And Yes, there was something he set aside and the answer is in finding out exactly what that was. So no, then, Paul only reports truth.

Paul didn't set aside the old covenant; God did. Paul tells us that God did.

 

[Blik]

Actually Satan has convinced you that BOTH the Old and New Covenants can be valid at one and the same time. That is a lie from Satan, since God and Christ say that that is not possible. God says that the Old Covenant has been abolished.

This is just like the sin of David in numbering Israel, when he was expressly forbidden from doing so. Satan instigated David to go ahead and number Israel, and he and Israel paid a terrible price. Similarly Satan has been instigating you to insist that the Old Covenant is still in force, so you can expect to pay a price also.

If Christ or Paul says it is abolished, I truly believe Christ. Where does Christ or Paul say this?

 

[Bbrdrd]

If
If it required a simple yes or no I would have answered yes or not. You state "when Paul put aside the law". When I came to grips with this question I spent three months in intense study to answering this because there seems to be scriptures saying Paul did, and many scriptures saying the law cannot be put aside.

I found the answer and finding it required hours upon hours devoted to digging up and checking and rechecking to be sure that what I was told was truthful. I have been scorned for the answer I found. But I found that scripture is truth and no scripture disagrees with any other scripture. Paul did not set aside the law. And Yes, there was something he set aside and the answer is in finding out exactly what that was. So no, then, Paul only reports truth.

So...Scripture says Paul put aside the law, but through study you've made it say something else? The question I asked is a simple yes or no question, was Paul sinning when he became as one without the law to reach those without the law in 1 Corinthians 9:21?

You accused me of adding to the word, yet here you are saying you had to study extensively for 3 months to avoid the plain words of Scripture. Sounds like you're adding things to me.

 

[Blik]

So...Scripture says Paul put aside the law, but through study you've made it say something else? The question I asked is a simple yes or no question, was Paul sinning when he became as one without the law to reach those without the law in 1 Corinthians 9:21?

You accused me of adding to the word, yet here you are saying you had to study extensively for 3 months to avoid the plain words of Scripture. Sounds like you're adding things to me.

What do we do, then with the scriptures telling us the law is not put aside?

Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom_6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom_7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Rom_9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

1Co_6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

Gal_2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Gal_3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

 

[Blik]

So...Scripture says Paul put aside the law, but through study you've made it say something else? The question I asked is a simple yes or no question, was Paul sinning when he became as one without the law to reach those without the law in 1 Corinthians 9:21?

You accused me of adding to the word, yet here you are saying you had to study extensively for 3 months to avoid the plain words of Scripture. Sounds like you're adding things to me.

You have twisted what I said. You say I studied to avoid the truth and I said I studied to find the truth.

Scripture always agrees with every other scripture, it comes from the same God. If there is disagreement it is in our understanding of scripture, not in the scripture. From this I knew i didn't understand so I spent three months not to avoid truth as you accuse me of but to find the truth.

 

[Bbrdrd]

What do we do, then with the scriptures telling us the law is not put aside?

Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom_6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom_7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Rom_9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

1Co_6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

Gal_2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Gal_3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

You have a misunderstanding in those verses, the only one that speaks to the law in the sense of Moses is Romans and the establishment of the law is not a matter of living under that covenant but in establishing its purpose which was to bring sin to full sinfulness. A discussion you conveniently skipped over between Romans 6 and Romans 7.

The problem is you're bringing Scripture not relevant to the context to preserve a doctrine rather than understanding verses in their context and then checking them against Scripture. You're "learning" is nothing more than twisting Scripture to preserve your doctrine.