Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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ewq1938

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I don't believe this teaching, but also I don't buy the personhood of satan. Not sure why people are so adamant on satan being a person or notions about demons. Doesn't it matter first and foremost to get away from satan and demons.
Everything true matters and fallen angels are real and are persons.
 

SoulWeaver

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Everything true matters and fallen angels are real and are persons.
Being real doesn't equal being a person. There's a lot of reading into the Bible and mythologizing through iconography and visual imaginations things that are not in the Bible when it comes to angels and people have been doing it for thousands of years. I'll leave it at that.
 

ewq1938

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I don't believe this teaching, but also I don't buy the personhood of satan.
And I don't understand the opposition to Satan's personhood. He isn't a human person but is an angelic person. He isn't a ghost or bodiless spirit etc.
 

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Satan is a person, all angels are. The false doctrine came up from racist teachers that wanted to vilify the Jews as being Satan's literal seed.
That's new to me. My father used to believe that white people were decedents of Adam and Eve. Blacks & Asians came from monkeys an Mexicans and Indians were a cross in between. He was born in Tennessee in 1914 & never finished grammar school. Idiotic racist myths.
 

ewq1938

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That's new to me. My father used to believe that white people were decedents of Adam and Eve. Blacks & Asians came from monkeys an Mexicans and Indians were a cross in between. He was born in Tennessee in 1914 & never finished grammar school. Idiotic racist myths.
Well, he believed what he was taught by others and those others were extremely wrong.
 

ewq1938

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Eh, maybe...we don't really know the abilities of angels or former arch angels. I personally don't believe the serpent in Genesis was a literal snake possessed by Satan but is just symbolism and it was Satan in his actual and normal "form" as a former angel and being called a serpent described his low moral status and danger to people. However, if such a being can shape shift and appear as a snake or other things, all I can say is maybe.
 
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Eh, maybe...we don't really know the abilities of angels or former arch angels. I personally don't believe the serpent in Genesis was a literal snake possessed by Satan but is just symbolism and it was Satan in his actual and normal "form" as a former angel and being called a serpent described his low moral status and danger to people. However, if such a being can shape shift and appear as a snake or other things, all I can say is maybe.
I think it is more about us than them. Before the fall I think it was natural to communicate with angels.
 

oyster67

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Mister Scofield's footnotes caused many a young man to stumble. Men seemed to be more gullible in those days and wanted so badly to believe whatever the high-fallutin' master class scientists of the day told them. We now understand how useless any data or dating techniques are if they oppose the truth that is so plainly stated in the Word of God. Men are finally coming around to seeing that the universe is less than 10,000 years old and was intelligently designed and intelligently placed into existence in mature form. Too bad they couldn't have just believed God and gotten on the fast track a long time ago. Some may not care about the facts of creation, but God cared enough about it to write it down for us in His Big Book.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Being real doesn't equal being a person. There's a lot of reading into the Bible and mythologizing through iconography and visual imaginations things that are not in the Bible when it comes to angels and people have been doing it for thousands of years. I'll leave it at that.
Satan is real, so are the fallen angels. To dismiss them is to dismiss one of the greatest dangers a child of God faces,

as scripture says, satan is their ready to devour you, he has his army, and as one who has endured satanic attack, I can attest to their reality
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Mister Scofield's footnotes caused many a young man to stumble. Men seemed to be more gullible in those days and wanted so badly to believe whatever the high-fallutin' master class scientists of the day told them. We now understand how useless any data or dating techniques are if they oppose the truth that is so plainly stated in the Word of God. Men are finally coming around to seeing that the universe is less than 10,000 years old and was intelligently designed and intelligently placed into existence in mature form. Too bad they couldn't have just believed God and gotten on the fast track a long time ago. Some may not care about the facts of creation, but God cared enough about it to write it down for us in His Big Book.
I am puzzled why people think that mankind is splintered into groups or other creations,

adam is called the father of mankind in the Bible. Everyone is a descendent of Adam. in fact, science shows all human DNA can be traced back to one man. So even science here backs what scripture says.

I agree with you, if God write it down he must have found it important for us. There are some who believe the creation event was written pre flood and carried by Noah through the flood. And Moses rewrote the events pre flood. whether this is true or not we do not know. We do know God inspired it all. so no matter what. god thought it was important,

it’s funny how Satan and his army want to destroy the truth, even about the flood. From seperate human creations other than Adam, to local flood theories, all to take away fro. The truth.

I was one of those young men who first read about the gap theory in scofield’s notes. And was so excited about it. I finally had an answer for dinosaurs, and this time period which had to be there for things to evolve to what they are today (not evolution)but things like the Grand Canyon which needed millions of years to be formed) it is so freeing being released from that notion. I am able to see creation and the flood events more clearly.which explains so much of what we see,

it also is odd Peter warned us of these days, saying men will be. mockers, saying where is the promise of his coming, for since the fathers fell asleep all things have continued as they were from The begining, modern science is based on this fact,
 

iamsoandso

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Mister Scofield's footnotes caused many a young man to stumble. Men seemed to be more gullible in those days and wanted so badly to believe whatever the high-fallutin' master class scientists of the day told them. We now understand how useless any data or dating techniques are if they oppose the truth that is so plainly stated in the Word of God. Men are finally coming around to seeing that the universe is less than 10,000 years old and was intelligently designed and intelligently placed into existence in mature form. Too bad they couldn't have just believed God and gotten on the fast track a long time ago. Some may not care about the facts of creation, but God cared enough about it to write it down for us in His Big Book.

Yes in a "mature form" Adam was created as a man and not a baby needing milk and the earth was created in a state of mature form that already had fossil's,creatures of an old age,particles already at thei half life ect.
 

iamsoandso

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Satan is real, so are the fallen angels. To dismiss them is to dismiss one of the greatest dangers a child of God faces,

as scripture says, satan is their ready to devour you, he has his army, and as one who has endured satanic attack, I can attest to their reality

I think what is being misunderstood is that there "two groups of angels that fell". One is (before the flood) and they are bound in chains until the DoJ https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Peter 2&version=KJV (notice Peter states they are in chains bound prior to the flood verse 4-5) and in Jude https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude&version=KJV says the same in chains awaiting judgment.

And then there's the group you are quoting Scriptures of in your post who are present in the earth "after the flood" who are not yet bound in chains i.e. "drags a third part of the stars", Michael will lay hold on Satan and bind him ect. that is after the flood
 

SoulWeaver

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Satan is real, so are the fallen angels. To dismiss them is to dismiss one of the greatest dangers a child of God faces,

as scripture says, satan is their ready to devour you, he has his army, and as one who has endured satanic attack, I can attest to their reality
I didn't say it wasn't real - you both said that same thing but I did not say it wasn't real. I said it wasn't a person.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I didn't say it wasn't real - you both said that same thing but I did not say it wasn't real. I said it wasn't a person.
What makes a person?

an induvidual is a person is he not a.

is satan an induvidual, or is he a soulless animal?