Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?
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I have put being a true alien on my little girl. It sounds better than puppy or doggy. It also gives her sci-fi attributes .Special emphasis on the fiction in her title.
She is either from a far, far galaxy or some other dimension, she has not revealed that o me yet. Of course I do not think she is able. What do you think?
She is either from a far, far galaxy or some other dimension, she has not revealed that o me yet. Of course I do not think she is able. What do you think?
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What I find curious,strange odd(not sure of the word to use) about the serpent is this,,,
Starting with the incident in the garden the serpent he has something odd I didn't notice for a long time which is "day of your life" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/3-14.htm Why I say this is that I thought this was an "eternal creature" that had a lifespan from when he was created and it/he(?) then would not then have a numbered amount of days he would live.
Now Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree of knowledge he would "surly die" (so if he had not eaten his life would be eternal?). And then examining the punishment to the serpent this might be that in causing man to die this serpents lifespan then became "numbered" as punishment(the same thing he did to man happened to the serpent). And so "all the days of thy life" could mean his crime/sin of causing death to man was that he also would also die and no longer be eternal.
Another strange thing is that the serpent is in the garden "before the flood" and since he is identified as the "dragon,serpent,Satan,devil" (verse 2) https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20.htm then he is also the same as in Job,on the mount tempting Jesus and the dragon from Revelation 12 and 17 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12.htm https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12.htm
Now in 1 Peter,2 peter and Jude there is a group of "angels that fell" and they are bound in chains until the day of judgement (at the flood see post #554) and so this one(serpent) exist both prior to the flood and after the flood and is to be bound in chains in Revelation 20:2 just prior to the thousand years but he is not among the ones from 1 peter,2 peter,or Jude(he wasn't bound at the time they were). So whatever the sins/crime that the group before the food committed that caused them to be bound in chains until the day of judgment the serpent did not do seemingly or he would have been bound in chains also at the time of the flood as the others were.They in short are all in a group of "fallen angels" but it doesn't seem commit the same sins/crime at the same times which is why I think there are two groups of fallen angels who commit different crimes. This is confusing I think because the serpent exist before and after the flood and is bound in chains at a different time from the other group of fallen angels.
Starting with the incident in the garden the serpent he has something odd I didn't notice for a long time which is "day of your life" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/3-14.htm Why I say this is that I thought this was an "eternal creature" that had a lifespan from when he was created and it/he(?) then would not then have a numbered amount of days he would live.
Now Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree of knowledge he would "surly die" (so if he had not eaten his life would be eternal?). And then examining the punishment to the serpent this might be that in causing man to die this serpents lifespan then became "numbered" as punishment(the same thing he did to man happened to the serpent). And so "all the days of thy life" could mean his crime/sin of causing death to man was that he also would also die and no longer be eternal.
Another strange thing is that the serpent is in the garden "before the flood" and since he is identified as the "dragon,serpent,Satan,devil" (verse 2) https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20.htm then he is also the same as in Job,on the mount tempting Jesus and the dragon from Revelation 12 and 17 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12.htm https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12.htm
Now in 1 Peter,2 peter and Jude there is a group of "angels that fell" and they are bound in chains until the day of judgement (at the flood see post #554) and so this one(serpent) exist both prior to the flood and after the flood and is to be bound in chains in Revelation 20:2 just prior to the thousand years but he is not among the ones from 1 peter,2 peter,or Jude(he wasn't bound at the time they were). So whatever the sins/crime that the group before the food committed that caused them to be bound in chains until the day of judgment the serpent did not do seemingly or he would have been bound in chains also at the time of the flood as the others were.They in short are all in a group of "fallen angels" but it doesn't seem commit the same sins/crime at the same times which is why I think there are two groups of fallen angels who commit different crimes. This is confusing I think because the serpent exist before and after the flood and is bound in chains at a different time from the other group of fallen angels.
Wrong on both counts. Genesis 2 simply expands on the creation of mankind -- Adam and Eve. And since the NIV is based on dynamic equivalence it is indeed a paraphrase. It fails to actually translate over and over again.
Hebrew Masoretic Text
וַיְכֻלּ֛וּ הַשָּׁמַ֥יִם וְהָאָ֖רֶץ וְכָל־צְבָאָֽם׃
Interlinear literal translation:Thus were finished the heavens and the earth AND ALL THE HOST OF THEM.
KJB (idiomatic)
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
NIV (paraphrased)
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
Hebrew Masoretic Text
וַיְכֻלּ֛וּ הַשָּׁמַ֥יִם וְהָאָ֖רֶץ וְכָל־צְבָאָֽם׃
Interlinear literal translation:Thus were finished the heavens and the earth AND ALL THE HOST OF THEM.
KJB (idiomatic)
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
NIV (paraphrased)
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
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Then why does the order of creation disagree with the order given in Gen 1?
Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
This is the 6th day. What does God make first? Land animals!
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Now man is made and has dominion over the animals that were made first.
Gen 1: animals created BEFORE man.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
God sees no man that would be for tilling the ground, farming. Historically mankind were not farmers but were primarily hunter-gatherers which modern Archeology has also documented. The fact that Adam is a farmer means he is a more modern type of human.
Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And he makes a man, alone. No female is created.
Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
He is in charge of the garden of Eden, working alone.
Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
God decides Adam needs help. Adam is alone! No animals are there!
Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Genesis 1, animals created before man.
Genesis 2, man created before animals.
Obviously these are two different creation accounts. Gen 2 is a smaller creation account in a smaller place where as Gen 1 details a much larger creation account in a larger area.
Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
This is the 6th day. What does God make first? Land animals!
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Now man is made and has dominion over the animals that were made first.
Gen 1: animals created BEFORE man.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
God sees no man that would be for tilling the ground, farming. Historically mankind were not farmers but were primarily hunter-gatherers which modern Archeology has also documented. The fact that Adam is a farmer means he is a more modern type of human.
Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And he makes a man, alone. No female is created.
Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
He is in charge of the garden of Eden, working alone.
Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
God decides Adam needs help. Adam is alone! No animals are there!
Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Genesis 1, animals created before man.
Genesis 2, man created before animals.
Obviously these are two different creation accounts. Gen 2 is a smaller creation account in a smaller place where as Gen 1 details a much larger creation account in a larger area.
Just isolating this, to say: I do not believe Adam and Eve were created as eternally living beings. They would have had to eat from the Tree of Life to attain to life ever after, just as we do. Now some people claim they did eat of this Tree, simply because they had life in the first place, but I see nothing in Scripture to justify this thinking. In fact, we all have life to begin with, but need to be born again of the Spirit. And also, God barred A&E from the Tree of Life after eating the forbidden fruit specifically so they could not live forever.
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It was their bodies that informed them of their change in state. They began to experience involuntary movements of the body that shamed them and so covered them. The body now obeys the law of death and not the will. The body now responds to the need to survive and obeys the laws that it requires.
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Gen 2
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.”
Your view requires this to be unexplained. That God said something untrue. That nothing physically changed that day
Gen3
Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.
Their eyes are opened and they cover their loins. We see they have been informed and what they covered. Think they might be connected?
Then God asks" who told you that you are naked?" Good question. Who? He follows with the answer. Have you eaten from the tree?
No one told them because in that day their eyes were opened to the knowledge of good and evil.
The deepest form of knowledge for earthly life is being. To know fully one must be what is known. To know a frog fully one must be a frog.
I'm happy to answer any further questions.
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.”
Your view requires this to be unexplained. That God said something untrue. That nothing physically changed that day
Gen3
Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.
Their eyes are opened and they cover their loins. We see they have been informed and what they covered. Think they might be connected?
Then God asks" who told you that you are naked?" Good question. Who? He follows with the answer. Have you eaten from the tree?
No one told them because in that day their eyes were opened to the knowledge of good and evil.
The deepest form of knowledge for earthly life is being. To know fully one must be what is known. To know a frog fully one must be a frog.
I'm happy to answer any further questions.