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I think I've contracted an infectious strain of the Forum Futility Virus. As an anti-Trinitarian and anti-Dispensationalist who sees Calvi-Armi as reconcilable and a false dichotomy; I generally find only disagreement or conflict. Catho-Ortho lying signs... Dead evangelical denominationalism... And thanks to the ridiculous NAR, a true biblical Continuationist like me doesn't find much common ground very many places.
I might wander over, but I'm sure everyone's Trinitarian. A perplexing dilemna for a Berean.
I greatly appreciate your barrage against the absurdity of the Scofieldian Darbyite regime. Most western evangelicals will only become aware of Talmudism and the San Hedrin shortly before their death.
Cue... Pseudo-Rapture. (Didn't we all just miss it Saturday... again?)
I might wander over, but I'm sure everyone's Trinitarian. A perplexing dilemna for a Berean.
I greatly appreciate your barrage against the absurdity of the Scofieldian Darbyite regime. Most western evangelicals will only become aware of Talmudism and the San Hedrin shortly before their death.
Cue... Pseudo-Rapture. (Didn't we all just miss it Saturday... again?)
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The fight is over just Israel the land but how come there seem to be terrorists and those who want to kill Jews(??) , that will not make things better anyway on either side. That land is their land since 1948 it is not wise to try to change that .If I was Israeli I would not hand it over to the other countries. Why should they. Even consider Revelations chapter 14. If we are wrong in being more anti-Jew the danger being if it is true God will judge those who really start fighting Israel / our dispute maybe with God not men..// My above former post I was only thinking out loud. See where God's character is in this. Rome fell possibly from just attacking Israel in 70 AD..Babylon fell though they also destroyed the Temple. Before 600 BC. The old prophets told that Babylon would be judged after that or destroyed for being used to bring any evil.
On second thought... The invention of Trinitarianism and Dispensationalism in men's minds qualifies for your little truistic statement. As does the endless hyper-semantical diversion of Calvinism vs. Arminianism. My mind didn't invent ANY of that... or all the NAR epidemic. And I'm not even a Cessationist!
Yeah, it is fairly funny, that so many will have to spend eternity with the thought that they used their intelligence to deny God, and justified themselves with empty words.
Eternity with that realization would be an enhanced version of hell.
I think that the man who refused God because he just could not accept one would be somewhat less tormented than the one who knew, and was too smart for his own good.
It is a trustworthy statement, that God chose the weak, and infirm, and the foolish, and that there are not many wise among us.
Eternity with that realization would be an enhanced version of hell.
I think that the man who refused God because he just could not accept one would be somewhat less tormented than the one who knew, and was too smart for his own good.
It is a trustworthy statement, that God chose the weak, and infirm, and the foolish, and that there are not many wise among us.
Since you keep responding to me, I continue to infer you're somehow referring to me. I don't really know what point you're trying to make. ...that you perceive I'll be more severely punished for eternity because of my intellect that you think has supplanted and/or subverted salvific faith? Speak plainly.
The punishment I was speaking of that of the mind, when it realizes it's error.
And lest you think that I consider myself to be beyond or past such things, I know that I will suffer loss when I see Him, and most of that loss will be because of my suspoaed intellect.
It is written that when we see Him we will know even as we are known. I believe that this will be a painful experience for us all, to some extent.
What I was mainly addressing is the tendency to take the evidence before our eyes as the most basic truth, and to ignore the still small voice which says that everything is not as it seems. The more intelligent a person is, the easier it is for them to turn off that quiet inner voice, and then trust their sight exclusively. What amazes me is that most of them still claim to believe in God, just that He is far away, and will remain so.
And so we see beliefs such as continuance and denial of the thousand year reign of Jesus, and even of the resurrection and His return.
Satan has been called the great deceiver, but in truth he is just a liar. We deceive ourselves.
And lest you think that I consider myself to be beyond or past such things, I know that I will suffer loss when I see Him, and most of that loss will be because of my suspoaed intellect.
It is written that when we see Him we will know even as we are known. I believe that this will be a painful experience for us all, to some extent.
What I was mainly addressing is the tendency to take the evidence before our eyes as the most basic truth, and to ignore the still small voice which says that everything is not as it seems. The more intelligent a person is, the easier it is for them to turn off that quiet inner voice, and then trust their sight exclusively. What amazes me is that most of them still claim to believe in God, just that He is far away, and will remain so.
And so we see beliefs such as continuance and denial of the thousand year reign of Jesus, and even of the resurrection and His return.
Satan has been called the great deceiver, but in truth he is just a liar. We deceive ourselves.
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would this be considered a curse or a judgment? for scribes and Pharisees are descendants of Israel right?
how would this passage apply in modern day terms?
Matthew 23:13-15 (New King James Version)
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.[a]
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
how would this passage apply in modern day terms?
Matthew 23:13-15 (New King James Version)
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.[a]
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Hi Anandya
These are just a couple of thoughts of my own
I will contend with those who contend with you
Isiaih 49:25
I don't know of anyone who believes God has placed Israel back in their OT homeland who believes they are at this point living the Christian life, or how God would have them live(with exceptions)
But neverthelsss to many of us, OT prophecies clearly state thast the Jews will be brought back to their former homeland and God will do it.
In the infinate plan of God that we can at times only partly understand until we see its working out, I would say. Is it possible that God chose to return the Israelites to their homeland before they had fully come back to him and accepted Christ as their saviour? I would say it is definately possible.
And either God was in them returning or he was not, which raises another question
Could they have returned and become a nation if God did not will it?
If God did will it and it ispart of his plan, anyone who contends with Israel or is against them is against God's plan for them.
I am a firm believer that a time is coming when all Jews in their homeland will be saved. With my human mind I cannot rationalise it, but to me scripture is clear on this.
And I wonder that if they finally do all turn to Christ as their saviour whether at that time the wars they are involved in will cease(apart of course from Armageddon)
Just an attempt to answer your question as best I can
These are just a couple of thoughts of my own
I will contend with those who contend with you
Isiaih 49:25
I don't know of anyone who believes God has placed Israel back in their OT homeland who believes they are at this point living the Christian life, or how God would have them live(with exceptions)
But neverthelsss to many of us, OT prophecies clearly state thast the Jews will be brought back to their former homeland and God will do it.
In the infinate plan of God that we can at times only partly understand until we see its working out, I would say. Is it possible that God chose to return the Israelites to their homeland before they had fully come back to him and accepted Christ as their saviour? I would say it is definately possible.
And either God was in them returning or he was not, which raises another question
Could they have returned and become a nation if God did not will it?
If God did will it and it ispart of his plan, anyone who contends with Israel or is against them is against God's plan for them.
I am a firm believer that a time is coming when all Jews in their homeland will be saved. With my human mind I cannot rationalise it, but to me scripture is clear on this.
And I wonder that if they finally do all turn to Christ as their saviour whether at that time the wars they are involved in will cease(apart of course from Armageddon)
Just an attempt to answer your question as best I can