Nephilim On The Ark

Barbet · May 24, 2011

The point is that it is in the bible, though we don't know it in detail. If they take human form than probably all that stuff is included

. Note beside that: only women brought forth these Nephilim, there is no sign of pregnant angelic beings.

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beside what overlaps with what I say, I am not fully supporting some of the other views here on demons etc. But those comments are so annoying with all colours, bad argumentation and not really quoting anything and too much text, I skip those comments. I appreciate your quick and down to earth comments more Adrian than that fancy stuff.

MaggieMye · May 24, 2011

Ok, if angels have a reproductive system they must have a digestive system, a respiratory system, a circulatory system, skin and about every other organ on the human body and they too must have been born from a woman to continue to reproduce the species, but guess what? they are NOT from our species, not even from our dimension. why can't you just understand that fallen angels didn't and CAN'T have sex with humans? You guys pull out some weird theories that are NOT in the bible. Please read your bibles in context. Why can't YOU read what the BIBLE says?? Gen 18 shows them EATING! Just because it seem illogical or 'unlikely' or even 'impossible' to you does not mean that GOD could not make it happen.

All things are possible with God.
His word is TRUE
1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. That makes most men, pretty foolish!!
Maggie

AnandaHya · May 24, 2011

Avinu said:

for those without access to a Bible. I'll post the scriptures for you.

('sides I like scriptures lol )

Genesis 6:4 (New King James Version)

4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 (New King James Version)

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan[a] also came among them.

Job 2:1 (New King James Version)

1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

MaggieMye · May 24, 2011

I'm totally miss your point, AnandaHya, Are you saying that angels CAN eat, drink, and have sex, etc, or NOT??

Maggie

Adrianv125 · May 24, 2011

Genesis 18

The Son of Promise

1 Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre,[a] as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, THREE MEN were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. 4 Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. 5 And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.”
They said, “Do as you have said.

Hmm, nowhere in that passage do I read sons of God, or any inclination that could point out to fallen angels or angels let alone.

To say that fallen angels have the capacity to do such a thing is to say these creatures have the power to procreate. Which is not correct because He created them before He created any creature that had the ability to procreate. This is a false teaching.

MaggieMye · May 24, 2011

Dude! Abraham BOWED HIMSELF TO THE GROUND and said "My Lord (capitol L, inidcating that one of them was Christ pre-incarnate) ....favor in Your sight, captial Y., Your servant. The only being Abraham was ever servant to was God. Verse 1 even SAYS the LORD appeard to him. The three men were the Lord and two of His angels, ALL in the form of MEN.

Maggie
Both KJB and NASB Captitalize the word "LORD" indicating it was GOD

1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Barbet · May 24, 2011

maybe posting your arguments a bit nicer would help too MaggieMye

there might me pre-Christians reading our discussion and if I would be one of them I'd think we're nuts going crazy and strong over such theological details

AnandaHya · May 24, 2011

MaggieMye said:

I am saying the BIBLE says the "sons of God" or the "bene haelohim" can do those things, but want to know if they are angels are not? if they are not then what are they?

I've always been told they are angels and wanted to know what the case was if they aren't angels then what are they?

Adrianv125 · May 24, 2011

I knew the part about Jesus, but the other two people you can't say with certainty that they were angels since it is not described there nor is it explained anywhere else.

Adrianv125 · May 24, 2011

Who did Jesus come to save? Humanity. From what? sin. What do fallen angels want humans to do? sin. So why would they want to reproduce with humanity even though they've all pretty much been created? Who knows. What would a creature with more ability and certainly power want to do in reproducing with something inferior? Who knows. It's like having a lion reproduce with a turtle.

If your argument is that they reproduced to alter the lineage of the Messiah you are insulting God, because there could never be anything in the way of the almighty God to accomplish what He came to do.

Avinu · May 24, 2011

Your questions here are kind of off base, why wouldn't they want to reproduce with God's special creation? Everything satan and those who followed him out of heaven have been doing everything they can to pervert God's plans. Since God made it clear that we are not to mix seed, what a better way to pervert it than fallen angels producing children through the daughters of men. Man has been mixing seed for ages with animals, fruits, etc. Ancient history all the way back to the Mayan days talks about giants that walked the earth and were worshiped and the women who glady gave themselves to them.

If they could alter the lineage of Messiah don't you think they would jump on that? But you're right, Almighty God will acomplish what He planned to do, and no matter what satan and the fallen angels try to do, they will always fail. Shalom

happygal · May 24, 2011

One writer states,
"Angels can not come to earth (or anywhere else for that matter) without specific commission from God",
but Jude 6 recalls that some "angels did not keep their original position but FORSOOK their own proper dwelling place” in heaven. Forsake means refuse to obey, refuse to follow, turn away from entirely, resign usually by formal declaration, renounce. Our loving God created angels, as well as humans, with FREE WILL to make choices. First, Lucifer (an archangel) rebelled and became Satan the adversary. Then, many angels chose to DISOBEY God by leaving heaven when Satan caused them to lust for human women. After the flood, these angels were never permitted to enter back into heaven. One third of the angels are now Satan's demons.
This same writer states that ,
"ANGELS ARE ANGELS AND DEMONS ARE DEMONS. Why can't you wrap your brain around the FACT that God created both angels AND demons for His purposes?? God created ALL things. Nowhere in scripture are angels, fallen or otherwise ever call demons...Demons are demons. Angels are Angels, fallen or not. The fallen ones are locked up. Some when they come to earth today sin and so are forever earthbound. In the form of man, they STILL procreate. They spawn Nephilim to this day...not so easily recognized today because the human race, itself, has gotten larger due to advances in nutrition, but they are here!! Many Biblicalscholars and scientists think that even Obama may have some Nephilim blood."
For the sake of room and love for others on here, I will only briefly comment on those statements. God is love. He created both humans and spirits, but he did NOT create "evil" humans nor "evil" spirits (demons) for any purpose.
The same writer also stated that,
"demons" are sometimes referred to as 'devils' but that does not make them angels."
Satan the devil was once Lucifer the archANGEL before he rebelled against God. His demons were also angels before they rebelled against God.
The writer also states that,
"Well, the BIBLE says that they were on the earth during 'those days' (Noah's days) AND AFTER. What more do you want? Is not 2011 AFTER?? Where in scripture does it give a time reference for them NOT being here any longer... AFTER?? There is none!"
Think about my previous post for the explanation of "in which days? and after when?"
I may not always be completely correct, but when I am wrong, I will correct myself.
I must apologize. I previously used the incorrect word when I stated, "the Nephilim dematerialized." The Nephilim were the offspring of the disobedient angels who married human women. It was these disobedient angels, not the Nephilim, who dematerialized back into the spirit realm (I did not previously say "into heaven" as writer thought I did). I also stated that, "They are still around here among us though as demons forbidden to materialize." (I meant the disobedient angels, not the Nephilim.)
Have a great evening!!!

Avinu · May 24, 2011

Happygal, I agree with the rest of your post that this quote came from, but this I have to say is incorrect, because God's word says in Proverbs 16:4 "The Lord has made everything for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of evil. Shalom

AnandaHya · May 24, 2011

when did God create demons in the Bible? I thought Lucifer(fallen angel) and Satan(King of demons) were the same thing? We know the Serpent and Satan are the same and in Revelations it says Satan and his angels.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (New King James Version)

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 20:2
He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Luke 11:17-19 (New King James Version)

17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls. 18 If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? Because you say I cast out demons by Beelzebub. 19 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges.

AnandaHya · May 24, 2011

Avinu said:

if God created wicked men and demons then why does it say this about the preparations of the heart belonging to man?

Proverbs 16

1 The preparations of the heart belong to man,
But the answer of the tongue is from the LORD.
2 All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes,
But the LORD weighs the spirits.
3 Commit your works to the LORD,
And your thoughts will be established.
4 The LORD has made all for Himself,
Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

James 1:12-14 (New King James Version)

12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.

Avinu · May 24, 2011

PROVERBS 16:4 THE LORD HAS MADE EVERYTHING FOR HIMSELF, YES, EVEN THE WICKED FOR THE DAY OF EVIL." This verse really explains alot. Shalom

journey41 · May 24, 2011

AnandaHya said:

[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right Ananda! The "sons of God' as mentioned are describing angels. We get a clearer picture in Job chapter 2:1-3. There was a meeting. This is undeniable proof.

Job 2:1 Again , there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Job 2:2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down on it.

This shows us there was a meeting. Where? Heaven of course, because thats where the Lord's throne is. God had a meeting with the angels. Satan came also to present himself at that meeting. The angels were called sons of God. This can't refer to man here, for Christ had not yet come and he is the firstfruit of the resurected (pre-eminence) There were no men in heaven. They were all angels, called Sons of God. Whether good sons or wicked sons, they are sons nevertheless, because God is their true Father (creator)

Satan said he had been traveling to and fro in the earth. He had access to both, heaven and earth. Why do so many ignore this evidence in Job? It speaks a thousand words.

Avinu · May 24, 2011

This shows us there was a meeting. Where? Heaven of course, because thats where the Lord's throne is. God had a meeting with the angels. Satan came also to present himself at that meeting. The angels were called sons of God. This cant refer to man here, for Christ had not yet come and he is the firstfruit of the resurected. There were no men in heaven. They were angels, called Sons of God. Whether good sons or wicked sons, they are sons nevertheless, because God is their true Father (creator)

Satan said he had been traveling to and fro in the earth. He had access to both, heaven and earth. Why do so many ignore this evidence in Job? It speaks a thousand words.

That is right on the money. Shalom

MaggieMye · May 24, 2011

The "one writer" is me. Please just refer to me as Maggie...or whomever you quote...by name.
One writer states,
"Angels can not come to earth (or anywhere else for that matter) without specific commission from God",
but Jude 6 recalls that some "angels did not keep their original position but FORSOOK their own proper dwelling place” in heaven. Forsake means refuse to obey, refuse to follow, turn away from entirely, resign usually by formal declaration, renounce. Our loving God created angels, as well as humans, with FREE WILL to make choices. First, Lucifer (an archangel) rebelled and became Satan the adversary. Then, many angels chose to DISOBEY God by leaving heaven when Satan caused them to lust for human women. No, that is not correct. The angels CHOSE TO LEAVE heaven and follow Lucifer. They did not disobey by leaving, they made a choice to leave. It was because of their chosen rebellion that they HAD to leave. The forsook their proper dwelling; their proper place of dwelling was heaven. The GAVE IT UP, choosing to rebell with Lucifer, rather than to obey and stay with God. THey were kicked out WITH Lucifer....God would not allow and rebellion to remain in heaven.After the flood, these angels were never permitted to enter back into heaven. Wrong again. The angels refered to in Jude 6, the same that were ousted WITH Lucifer are locked in chains. They were not physically on the earth at the time of the flood, then nor after as they are STILL locked in chains. One third of the angels are now Satan's demons. Wrong again! One third of the angels followed Lucifer out of heaven. They are STILL angels, locked in chains. They have never not been locked in chains since they left heaven. They are NOT demons, they are ANGELS LOCKED IN CHAINS. They have never been able to inhabit a human being.
This same writer states that ,
"ANGELS ARE ANGELS AND DEMONS ARE DEMONS. Why can't you wrap your brain around the FACT that God created both angels AND demons for His purposes?? God created ALL things. Nowhere in scripture are angels, fallen or otherwise ever call demons...Demons are demons. Angels are Angels, fallen or not. The fallen ones are locked up. Some when they come to earth today sin and so are forever earthbound. In the form of man, they STILL procreate. They spawn Nephilim to this day...not so easily recognized today because the human race, itself, has gotten larger due to advances in nutrition, but they are here!! Many Biblicalscholars and scientists think that even Obama may have some Nephilim blood."
For the sake of room and love for others on here, I will only briefly comment on those statements. God is love. He created both humans and spirits, but he did NOT create "evil" humans nor "evil" spirits (demons) for any purpose. Wrong AGAIN!!

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

The same writer also stated that,
"demons" are sometimes referred to as 'devils' but that does not make them angels."
Satan the devil was once Lucifer the archANGEL before he rebelled against God. His demons were also angels before they rebelled against God. There is no Biblical text to support this THEORY. Satan/Lucifer was also called a 'dragon' but that was a metaphor and he never was a real dragon. Demons/devils (note, not THE devil, singular, but devilS) from the Greek diamon, meaning evil spirit. Strongs (NASB) 1142. It does NOT say evil angel, rebellious angel, sinful angel or any other kind of angel. Demons are Demons complete and separately different creations OF GOD.
The writer also states that,
"Well, the BIBLE says that they were on the earth during 'those days' (Noah's days) AND AFTER. What more do you want? Is not 2011 AFTER?? Where in scripture does it give a time reference for them NOT being here any longer... AFTER?? There is none!"
Think about my previous post for the explanation of "in which days? and after when?" Inserting the UNBiblical concept of "after God's statement" is just that...inserting and adding to God's worth that which is not there. That is heresy, it is error. You have been taught by those that do not comprehend God's word nor rightly divide it. Again... learn some Hermeneutics so you can study on your own and get it right.
I may not always be completely correct, but when I am wrong, I will correct myself.
I must apologize. I previously used the incorrect word when I stated, "the Nephilim dematerialized." The Nephilim were the offspring of the disobedient angels who married human women. It was these disobedient angels, not the Nephilim, who dematerialized back into the spirit realm (I did not previously say "into heaven" as writer thought I did). And just WHERE is the Biblical text to support that they angels that went into the daughters of men 'dematerialized'...who 'vanished'??? It is NOT THERE. That is a heretical concept. I also stated that, "They are still around here among us though as demons forbidden to materialize." (I meant the disobedient angels, not the Nephilim.) Again, no scriptural support. Again, Angels are angels and demons/devils are EVIL SPIRITS, NOT ANGELS. Can you show even one scripture in which ANGELS are refered to as demons or devils??
Have a great evening!!! You too!

trust_in_the_name · May 24, 2011

16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1:16)

17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (Colossians 1:17)

36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Romans 11:36)

3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, (Hebrews 1:3)

7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.' (Isaiah 45:7)

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