obedience to the gospel right ? So just a small example
“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest:
for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:
condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:
forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:27-38 KJV
I agree when someone is living that way as an example and speaking the gospel they would have a good position of respect and would have my own personal attention
the problem is hypocracy I’ve never met anyone who actually loved as Jesus taught and could say they were completely obedient . I do believe that’s a good standard for judging another persons sins if we ourselves are without sin then we would have that moral ground I’m just not sure that person exists
a lot of times we actually just think we are really doing great in obedience until we hear the word I think when this clicks with us
“All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes;
but the Lord weigheth the spirits.
Commit thy works unto the Lord, and thy thoughts shall be established.”
Proverbs 16:2-3
I would agree that someone who has come to complete obedience would be a good person to take a rebuke from I sure would , but that obedience for me would look like the gospel it would be not murdering or stealing , but the things Jesus taught and said were eternal life to believe
I appreciate the conversation and good spirit with which you discuss and interact.
I think that you misunderstood what I was attempting to say.
Perhaps I was too vague and it's my fault.
In either case, I wasn't suggesting that we have to be perfectly obedient before correcting another.
Instead, I meant that we shouldn't be rebuking others for things which we haven't yet dealt with in our own lives because that would be hypocrisy.
At the same time, I was trying to say that if God rebukes me for something, and I not only know that I need to repent of it, but also do actually repent of it, then if I see that same thing in another person it is as equally bad in God's eyes because he's no respecter of persons.
In other words, I need to remove the beam from my own eye FIRST via repentance, and then, and only then, can I see clearly enough to properly rebuke or reprove someone with but a speck of what I needed to FIRST repent of in my own life to repent themselves.
Again, if we realize how much grace and mercy we need from God ourselves, then we'll hopefully tend to be more gracious and merciful to others when dealing with them.
At the same time, if we realize how repulsive our own sin was in God's eyes before we repented of it, then we can know that it's equally as repulsive to God when he sees it in another, and we should seek to warn them accordingly.
Let me make this more personal...
I've gotten into confrontations with certain individuals on this forum who are presently believing and teaching things that I once taught and believed UNTIL GOD HIMSELF THOROUGHLY REBUKED ME AND I REPENTED.
Seeing how it was so horribly wrong in God's eyes when I was believing and teaching it, it's as equally horribly wrong now when others are doing the same.
With such being the case, I try to help them to see the error of their ways, having once been guilty of the same.
This is what I was trying to get across to you in my other post that you quoted.
Hope this clears things up.