i have quoted many verses to show how Jesus will come in Glory and that the pre trib rapture is not founded in the bible.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev. 1:7 is synonymous with the following:
Matthew 24:30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth
c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory
You say that you have quoted many verses, but they have been misquoted, in that you, as well as others, are not recognizing the appearing of the Lord and the gathering of the church, as being a different event from the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, which what both Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 1:7 is in reference to. The following scriptures belong together which are in reference to the gathering of the church and the Lord's returns to the earth to end the age:
The appearing of the Lord in the air to gather His church = 1 Corinthians 15:50-53, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Rev.3:10
The Lord's return to the earth to end the age = Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 1:7, 19:11-21
Jesus said that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world.
Matthew 24:21, 22. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved."
Once again, the error here is that you are confusing the event of the Lord's appearing to gather the church, with the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. As long as you and others continue to not discern these as two separate events, your understanding of end-time events will be in error.
How is it that you quote some scriptures to prove your point, while ignoring others? What I mean is, you are ignoring a basic truth which is that Jesus took upon himself God's wrath which every believer deserves, satisfying it completely. Therefore, God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer. And since God's wrath, in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, must take place prior to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, then the church must be removed from the earth prior to God's wrath. Regarding God's wrath, this is what the scripture says:
"Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
God's wrath has been satisfied on behalf of every believer. This is why we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, because Jesus already did. However, you and others disregard this very important truth. It is a basic principle, a legal precedent.
We can be like the huge trees that have lived through harsh time and become strong in the storms of life by putting their roots deep around rocks and stand when these times come or just presume that Jesus will take us away, so we can relax about it all.
Noah prepared by building an ark to go through the storm.
This is something else that you and others misunderstand, which is that there is a difference between the trials and tribulations that Jesus said believers would suffer because of our faith vs. God's coming unprecedented wrath. The former comes at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. While the latter will be God's direct wrath in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses will be causing. Again, believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath.
When the Lord came with the two angels to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, Abraham was concerned for Lot, who was living in Sodom, to which Abraham said the following:
"Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. And since God's wrath will be upon the entire world, then there will be no place to hide, no ark to get on and no small city to flee to. Shortly after the 7th bowl has been poured out the Lord will return to the earth to end the age, with His church and His angels. At that time, the majority of the population on the earth will have been decimated and all human government will be dismantled.
"At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of your people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." Daniel 12:1.
You are consistent in misapplying scripture! The scripture above is in regards to "the children of your people" which would be referring to Israel and not the church. And again when it says "thy people shall be delivered" it is referring to the resurrection of the OT saints of Israel, not the church.
Are we delivered before or after the storm????????
We are delivered/gathered before the storm, because the storm is God's coming wrath.
The Bible describes the 144,000 as "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.
There are two groups mentioned in Revelation 7:
Rev.7:1-8 - The 144,000, the first fruits who come out of Israel
Rev.7:9-17 - The saints who come out of the great tribulation, which are from every nation, people, tribe and language, which makes them all Gentiles.
That said, it is the Gentile saints who come out of the great tribulation and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. The information regarding the 144,000 who come out of Israel ends at verse 8. Then verse 9 introduces a new group, which is the great tribulation saints.
Jesus made the following statement immediately after mentioning the tribulation: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!
Again, the 'elect' is referring to the nation Israel and the great tribulation saints who will have made it through the entire wrath of God alive.
The children of Israel were not saved from Egypt before the plagues fell, but afterward. God demonstrated His love and power by preserving them in Egypt through the ten plagues. In the same way, the righteous will be in the world when the seven last plagues fall (Revelation 16), but God will preserve them.
First of all, the plagues of Egypt were not world-wide. And second, it was not God's intention to remove Israel from the earth, for then how could He keep His promise to give them the land He had promised them? The wrath that is coming via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgment, will affect the entire earth and there will be no where to hide. Furthermore, the word ekklesia/church is last used at the end of chapter 3 and is then never used again. It is never used within the narrative of God's wrath. That's because Rev.4:1 is a prophetic allusion to where the church is changed and called up.
God never promises that our lives will always be easy. Christ prayed to His Father for His disciples, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil [one]." John 17:15. Likewise, in 2 Timothy 3:12 Paul states, "All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." Paul also told a group of disciples that "We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.
i have given a few Bible verses and reasons why the popular and appealing theory is not true. I know it is hard to except but it may help you to be ready.
Again, you are correct, believers have and will suffer persecution, but not the wrath of God. You continue to make the common trials and tribulation equal with God's coming wrath and they are not the same. And you are correct in that, Jesus prayed that the Father would not take the disciples out of the world. For if He did, who would there have been to preach the gospel? Also, this saying does not mean that He will not take them out of the world, period. You see, we also have Jesus saying the following:
"Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?”
Jesus replied, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now,
but you will follow later.”
The meaning of this is that, they and all believers would follow Jesus in being resurrected and would go to the Father's house, so that where He is, we may be also.
The opening of the first seal is what initiates God's wrath and therefore, the church will be removed prior to that first seal being opened. You need to make a discernment between the trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would have vs. God's coming wrath, which we are not appointed to suffer.