Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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here is what should concern every Christian. What we see happen in New York and other places with the increase of anti-Semitism and attacks on Jews People and Israel and by those "liberal Christians" should concern the church. Because I can ensure you very quietly


The Supreme Court ruled on a church in Southern California about churches having to be closed due to COVID-19

How many of you read the SCOTUS Judgment? Well, they found California violated the church in LA rights on Discrimination and ordered California to pay over 1miilon $ in court fee's for that One Church
Here is what the Justices asked How can Governor Gavin Newsom Close down all Christian churches but allowed Mosques to be open?

And that not be targeting Christians?

He did not have a reason. The People who violated the laws were the very ones who made them. They had special dinners, events, closed down parks yet they went to them. Closed down businesses yet kept their open.

IF we don't stand for the injustice done to jews in our own country and others we too will suffer the same.

I hear many Christian say We are to obey the law of the land and not doing so is a sin

WRONG!


it is unbiblical to obey a law that stops the gospel from being preached. You are just ruled by fear and cowardliness.

The law of this land IS the US Consitution which our POTUS and elected official swore to protect, they vioLated the law of the land

NOT YOU And I. Peter said this in Acts and I think it really sums it all up.

Peter was in trouble for doing a good deed and he was arrested, he said:

Acts 4:3-
And they laid hands on them, and put them in custody until the next day, for it was already evening. However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.



And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, “By what power or by what name have you done this?” Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: “If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, “let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

They attacked Peter for doing what was right. That was unlawful for these men to do Peter said when ordered by them :

"So they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus."

Peter and John answered that back

But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you more than to God, you judge“For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.”


Peter obeyed the laws of the land and Did a Good deed that was called evil.

Then he had an attack on the freedom to speak about Jesus as WE are today did He obey the leadership of the land Pastor?

Did he shut up and close the church Pastor? NO!. We better stand of for the jews because they are already attacking us.

And if you think hiding and holding on until the trumpet sounds is what the church is to do, I don't see that in the book of Acts.
 
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here is what should concern every Christian. What we see happen in New York and other places with the increase of anti-Semitism and attacks on Jews People and Israel and by those "liberal Christians" should concern the church. Because I can ensure you very quietly


The Supreme Court ruled on a church in Southern California about churches having to be closed due to COVID-19

How many of you read the SCOTUS Judgment? Well, they found California violated the church in LA rights on Discrimination and ordered California to pay over 1miilon $ in court fee's for that One Church
Here is what the Justices asked How can Governor Gavin Newsom Close down all Christian churches but allowed Mosques to be open?

And that not be targeting Christians?

He did not have a reason. The People who violated the laws were the very ones who made them. They had special dinners, events, closed down parks yet they went to them. Closed down businesses yet kept their open.

IF we don't stand for the injustice done to jews in our own country and others we too will suffer the same.

I hear many Christian say We are to obey the law of the land and not doing so is a sin

WRONG!


it is unbiblical to obey a law that stops the gospel from being preached. You are just ruled by fear and cowardliness.

The law of this land IS the US Consitution which our POTUS and elected official swore to protect, they vioLated the law of the land

NOT YOU And I. Peter said this in Acts and I think it really sums it all up.

Peter was in trouble for doing a good deed and he was arrested, he said:

Acts 4:3-
And they laid hands on them, and put them in custody until the next day, for it was already evening. However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.



And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, “By what power or by what name have you done this?” Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: “If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, “let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

They attacked Peter for doing what was right. That was unlawful for these men to do Peter said when ordered by them :

"So they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus."

Peter and John answered that back

But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you more than to God, you judge“For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.”


Peter obeyed the laws of the land and Did a Good deed that was called evil.

Then he had an attack on the freedom to speak about Jesus as WE are today did He obey the leadership of the land Pastor?

Did he shut up and close the church Pastor? NO!. We better stand of for the jews because they are already attacking us.

And if you think hiding and holding on until the trumpet sounds is what the church is to do, I don't see that in the book of Acts.
Yep
It is crystal clear
 

Truth7t7

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here is what should concern every Christian. What we see happen in New York and other places with the increase of anti-Semitism and attacks on Jews People and Israel and by those "liberal Christians" should concern the church. Because I can ensure you very quietly


The Supreme Court ruled on a church in Southern California about churches having to be closed due to COVID-19

How many of you read the SCOTUS Judgment? Well, they found California violated the church in LA rights on Discrimination and ordered California to pay over 1miilon $ in court fee's for that One Church
Here is what the Justices asked How can Governor Gavin Newsom Close down all Christian churches but allowed Mosques to be open?

And that not be targeting Christians?

He did not have a reason. The People who violated the laws were the very ones who made them. They had special dinners, events, closed down parks yet they went to them. Closed down businesses yet kept their open.

IF we don't stand for the injustice done to jews in our own country and others we too will suffer the same.

I hear many Christian say We are to obey the law of the land and not doing so is a sin

WRONG!


it is unbiblical to obey a law that stops the gospel from being preached. You are just ruled by fear and cowardliness.

The law of this land IS the US Consitution which our POTUS and elected official swore to protect, they vioLated the law of the land

NOT YOU And I. Peter said this in Acts and I think it really sums it all up.

Peter was in trouble for doing a good deed and he was arrested, he said:

Acts 4:3-
And they laid hands on them, and put them in custody until the next day, for it was already evening. However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.



And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, “By what power or by what name have you done this?” Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: “If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, “let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

They attacked Peter for doing what was right. That was unlawful for these men to do Peter said when ordered by them :

"So they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus."

Peter and John answered that back

But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you more than to God, you judge“For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.”


Peter obeyed the laws of the land and Did a Good deed that was called evil.

Then he had an attack on the freedom to speak about Jesus as WE are today did He obey the leadership of the land Pastor?

Did he shut up and close the church Pastor? NO!. We better stand of for the jews because they are already attacking us.

And if you think hiding and holding on until the trumpet sounds is what the church is to do, I don't see that in the book of Acts.
I fully agree,to bring harm upon any person based upon their religious or political belief is wrong, evil in my opinion

I watched the recent attack on Jews in LA while dining, sick!

You bet it will increased on conservatives and Christian's next, and has been the case already, the Jews aren't alone

As the cancel culture and doxing is taking place currently

Does Israel have a right to defend itself from 4,300 Hamas missiles, absolutely, and to stop future events also!

To think Israel warned the enemy of pending targets to be hit, so civilian casualties could be minimized, as Hamas hides behind women and children?
 

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I think some people have been brainwashed by Satan's profound principles
They say that they support Satan's doctrine, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, killing for killing, they claim that they are Christians, but they are blind
I don't want to provoke conflicts, so I'm not going to target anyone
Patriotism is good, but impulsive patriotism is irrational.
We are just discussing the truth of God.
PLs Don't talk about anti Semitism. This is to sow dissension, this is to spread strife.

I have died, no longer live for myself. R.I.P
 

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We are just discussing the truth of God.
PLs Don't talk about anti Semitism. This is to sow dissension, this is to spread strife.


I have died, no longer live for myself. R.I.P
I Agree, their last resort is false claims of Antisemetism, because the truth of Gods words has many "Exposed"
 
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Your claims of Antisemitism are "False" (n) CNN, MSNBC, fake news in a false narrative
No truth, there was no such thing as CNN et all when Martin Luther was spreading this false theology.


My Lord Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles were Jews, and their names are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem forever, and you call me Antisemitic, please!
Your theology is, yes.



The false teachings you promote in two peoples of God, fleshly Jews (Israel), and the (Church) known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) is found no place in scripture

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Jesus Is The Lord!
No, your theology is a lie saying the Jews are replaced, anti-Semitic. The Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect. The promises are everlasting and unconditional. You're ignoring what Romans 11 says entirely. No one can read that and come away not knowing who Paul is speaking to. You're just wrong.
 
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I Agree, their last resort is false claims of Antisemetism, because the truth of Gods words has many "Exposed"
Read up on history Truth, and where it led. The truth of God's Word says that Israel is the apple of His eye and that the Abrahamic Covenant is everlasting. You're simply wrong.
 
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I think some people have been brainwashed by Satan's profound principles
They say that they support Satan's doctrine, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, killing for killing, they claim that they are Christians, but they are blind
I don't want to provoke conflicts, so I'm not going to target anyone
Patriotism is good, but impulsive patriotism is irrational.
We are just discussing the truth of God.
PLs Don't talk about anti Semitism. This is to sow dissension, this is to spread strife.

I have died, no longer live for myself. R.I.P

An eye for and eye comes from the Bible, perhaps you didn't know that. No where in the Bible does it say a country cannot defend it's people. In fact, it's the opposite. War is not killing to kill. Israel has a right to defend her people. Every country, literally every country defends its people. You're talking absolute nonsense.
 
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Read up on history Truth, and where it led. The truth of God's Word says that Israel is the apple of His eye and that the Abrahamic Covenant is everlasting. You're simply wrong.
Hmmm.....but in the same extract Israel was also abhorred by God....before God attacked them

10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings: 12 So the Lord alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.19 And when the Lord saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.............23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
 

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No truth, there was no such thing as CNN et all when Martin Luther was spreading this false theology.




Your theology is, yes.





No, your theology is a lie saying the Jews are replaced, anti-Semitic. The Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect. The promises are everlasting and unconditional. You're ignoring what Romans 11 says entirely. No one can read that and come away not knowing who Paul is speaking to. You're just wrong.
Once Again :)

Your claims of Antisemitism are "False" (n) CNN, MSNBC, fake news in a false narrative

My Lord Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles were Jews, and their names are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem forever, and you call me Antisemitic, please!

The false teachings you promote in two peoples of God, fleshly Jews (Israel), and the (Church) known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) is found no place in scripture

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Jesus Is The Lord!

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple :)

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ :)

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed :)

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

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Once Again :)

Your claims of Antisemitism are "False" (n) CNN, MSNBC, fake news in a false narrative

My Lord Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles were Jews, and their names are written in the foundations of New Jerusalem forever, and you call me Antisemitic, please!

The false teachings you promote in two peoples of God, fleshly Jews (Israel), and the (Church) known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) is found no place in scripture

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

Jesus Is The Lord!

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple :)

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ :)

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed :)

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
You are not seeing the people of Israel today are still the People of God and why we know this. it is very simple.
Yes although we are spiritually Israel, we are not Litally Israel Because the nation exists.

IF there is a Nation and the people of that nation are the Jewish People spoken in the word of God that were always God's people even in great sin and God said Literally that nation will return and in 1948 they did which was a Miracle.

When Jesus literally Left from that geographical location And is returning there as the Word of God says, How is the People in that land today no important and if they are not the people of God Why does Jesus have to come back there? Why not come back a Rome or New York?

I will tell you They are God's people. And yes He can still love them all the way to hell as HE will love all who choose to go.
 

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You are not seeing the people of Israel today are still the People of God and why we know this. it is very simple.
Yes although we are spiritually Israel, we are not Litally Israel Because the nation exists.

IF there is a Nation and the people of that nation are the Jewish People spoken in the word of God that were always God's people even in great sin and God said Literally that nation will return and in 1948 they did which was a Miracle.

When Jesus literally Left from that geographical location And is returning there as the Word of God says, How is the People in that land today no important and if they are not the people of God Why does Jesus have to come back there? Why not come back a Rome or New York?

I will tell you They are God's people. And yes He can still love them all the way to hell as HE will love all who choose to go.
Your claim is "False", scripture "Clearly Teaches" Israel of the "Flesh" these are not the children of God, 5th Grade reading comprehension

You deny scriptural truth before your eyes, clear, simple, easy to understand.


(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed :)

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

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When Jesus literally Left from that geographical location And is returning there as the Word of God says, How is the People in that land today no important and if they are not the people of God Why does Jesus have to come back there? Why not come back a Rome or New York?
Good point. ;)


"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration OF ALL THINGS OF WHICH GOD SPOKE BY the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." Acts 3:21 [that is, the OT prophets and prophecies]


[see also Acts 1:6 "restore" ...and Acts 15:14-16]
 

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Good point. ;)


"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration OF ALL THINGS OF WHICH GOD SPOKE BY the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." Acts 3:21 [that is, the OT prophets and prophecies]


[see also Acts 1:6 "restore" ...and Acts 15:14-16]
And Jesus has not yet returned therefore ALL IS NOT FULFILLED. AND Israel is not lost or without hope.
 

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I know very well that if I say that someone doesn't like to listen, even if they understand the truth, they will reject truth from their heart,CUZ Disgrace
 

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And Jesus has not yet returned therefore ALL IS NOT FULFILLED. AND Israel is not lost or without hope.
Right.

Note carefully John 6:39-40...

"39 Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day.
40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone beholding the Son and believing in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up in the last day.”




...verse 39 speaks of THINGS

...whereas verse 40 speaks of PERSONS.


____________


The word "King" (re: Jesus) is ONLY used TWO TIMES in all of the epistles... and BOTH of them are "FUTURE TENSE." ;)
 

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And Jesus has not yet returned therefore ALL IS NOT FULFILLED. AND Israel is not lost or without hope.
Israel/Jerusalem will see the future fulfilling of the Gentiles for 42 months Rev 11:2, and the future slaughter of 2/3 of the Jews in the land will be cut off and die Zechariah 13:8, Luke 21:20-23

(A Far Cry From All Jews Being God's Chosen, The Truth)

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Zechariah 13:8KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

Luke 21:20-23KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
 

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^ Luke 21:20-23 (you quote) is a part of the section in vv.12-24a [which PRECEDE "the beginning of birth pangs," FAR / LONG before them] about the events surrounding "70ad" [again, things re: 70ad... same as Matt22:7 and Lk19:41-44]... and v.24b continues on from there... whereas v.24c is speaking of what will not be concluded until the end of the far-future trib yrs


IOW, "...and shall be led away captive into all the nations" (in the events surrounding "70ad")...

..."and Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN OF THE GENTILES UNTIL the *TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled" (speaks of "Gentile domination over Israel" which started in 606/605bc, think: Neb's "dream/statue/image," with Neb as "head of gold" and which will not be CONCLUDED until the END of the future Trib yrs, per Rev11:2)

[*entirely distinct from the phrase "until the FULNESS of the Gentiles BE COME IN [G1525]" ;) ]



... v.24 having two very lengthy items, see... (from the perspective of the 70ad events that Lk21:12-23 speak of!)... including the "UNTIL" thing. ;)
 

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^ Luke 21:20-23 (you quote) is a part of the section in vv.12-24a [which PRECEDE "the beginning of birth pangs," FAR / LONG before them] about the events surrounding "70ad" [again, things re: 70ad... same as Matt22:7 and Lk19:41-44]... and v.24b continues on from there... whereas v.24c is speaking of what will not be concluded until the end of the far-future trib yrs


IOW, "...and shall be led away captive into all the nations" (in the events surrounding "70ad")...

..."and Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN OF THE GENTILES UNTIL the *TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled" (speaks of "Gentile domination over Israel" which started in 606/605bc, think: Neb's "dream/statue/image," with Neb as "head of gold" and which will not be CONCLUDED until the END of the future Trib yrs, per Rev11:2)

[*entirely distinct from the phrase "until the FULNESS of the Gentiles BE COME IN [G1525]" ;) ]



... v.24 having two very lengthy items, see... (from the perspective of the 70ad events that Lk21:12-23 speak of!)... including the "UNTIL" thing. ;)
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IOW, "...and shall be led away captive into all the nations" (in the events surrounding "70ad")...
...the lengthy items here corresponding with Daniel 9:26b's "shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" and the "desolationS [PLURAL] are determined" (which happen SEQUENTIALLY AFTER the "BE CUT OFF" part, regarding "the Messiah the Prince [v.25, JESUS] of that prophecy, in 32ad).


IOW, your "chronology" is all screwed up, man ;) (speaking to @Truth7t7 )