Biblical Eternal Security vs 'Calvinistic Eternal Security' -by Gregg Jackson
- Thread starter ChosenbyHim
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
No one said any such thing. Man was created to be God’s sons.
Sons are supposed to submit to their Father. If they don’t they will become lost.
It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ” Luke 15:32
Do the lost need salvation?
JPT
Sons are supposed to submit to their Father. If they don’t they will become lost.
It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ” Luke 15:32
Do the lost need salvation?
JPT
That is PRECISELY WHY the Law leads us to Christ and WHY those who are of the works of the Law are under the curse. Because they can't obey the command.
Only by coming to Christ can we be given rest from that curse.
There are lots of commands that God gives that people THINK they can obey but they can't.
That is the reason for Ezekiel 36:24-27
Only by coming to Christ can we be given rest from that curse.
There are lots of commands that God gives that people THINK they can obey but they can't.
That is the reason for Ezekiel 36:24-27
-
1
- Show all
Those who claim to be in Christ and have eternal life but don’t obey Hs commandments are liars, and the truth is not in them.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5
- He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
”I know Him” if a reference to having eternal life. See John 17:3
His commandments are the way of love, and are not burdensome.
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
Here is God's grace in action. gifting a new heart, a new spirit, to those whom God caused to scatter abroad, foreordaining what they will do when they are re-gathered. And to those that don't respond to God's gracious gifts HE punishes. So too with God's offer of grace and gifts of salvation and faith.
Ezekiel 11:14And the word of the LORD came to me: 15“Son of man, your brothers, even your brothers, your kinsmen,b the whole house of Israel, all of them, are those of whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, ‘Go far from the LORD; to us this land is given for a possession.’ 16Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: Though I removed them far off among the nations, and though I scattered them among the countries, yet I have been a sanctuary to them for a whilec in the countries where they have gone.’ 17Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.’ 18And when they come there, they will remove from it all its detestable things and all its abominations. 19And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, 20that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 21But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I willd bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord GOD.”
Ezekiel 11:14And the word of the LORD came to me: 15“Son of man, your brothers, even your brothers, your kinsmen,b the whole house of Israel, all of them, are those of whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, ‘Go far from the LORD; to us this land is given for a possession.’ 16Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: Though I removed them far off among the nations, and though I scattered them among the countries, yet I have been a sanctuary to them for a whilec in the countries where they have gone.’ 17Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.’ 18And when they come there, they will remove from it all its detestable things and all its abominations. 19And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, 20that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 21But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I willd bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord GOD.”
The only way I will agree to that is when 'faith' is used as a noun. And, as a noun, 'faith' refers to the whole body of what believers believe found in the Bible.
So, yes, God has gifted mankind with His written Word so that we can know His mind and plans for us.
Jer 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
But the action of believing the gospel is from the heart, not from God. And you have no verse that supports such a claim.
So, yes, God has gifted mankind with His written Word so that we can know His mind and plans for us.
Jer 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
But the action of believing the gospel is from the heart, not from God. And you have no verse that supports such a claim.
FreeGrace2 said:
Mankind was NOT created to be a plaything for God
Those who have followed the posts of Jerry know full well that he claims that God causes some totally depraved persons to believe and prevents others from believing, all on the basis of what He chooses.
He denies any free will, which means man is nothing more than a puppet or robot. To be played with, manipulated.
By faith in Christ. John 1:12, Gal 3:26
'Supposed to' is a subjunctive. It may or may not occur.
No one "becomes lost". Everyone is born lost. Those who have believed are saved and cannot become lost. John 10:28
This isn't salvation. The idiot prodigal was ALWAYS a son in the parable. He never lost his position as a son. What was lost in this parable was fellowsnip with his father.
Everyone needs salvation.
Mankind was NOT created to be a plaything for God
Those who have followed the posts of Jerry know full well that he claims that God causes some totally depraved persons to believe and prevents others from believing, all on the basis of what He chooses.
He denies any free will, which means man is nothing more than a puppet or robot. To be played with, manipulated.
By faith in Christ. John 1:12, Gal 3:26
'Supposed to' is a subjunctive. It may or may not occur.
No one "becomes lost". Everyone is born lost. Those who have believed are saved and cannot become lost. John 10:28
This isn't salvation. The idiot prodigal was ALWAYS a son in the parable. He never lost his position as a son. What was lost in this parable was fellowsnip with his father.
Everyone needs salvation.
Only when 'faith' is a noun, never a verb. God does NOT CAUSE anyone to believe. That would mean man is just a puppet or robot.
Well, thanks for revealing your very anti-grace orientation.
You probably are not aware of this verse about grace:
Berean Literal Bible
But He gives greater grace. Therefore it says: "God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
New American Standard Bible
But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”
Weymouth New Testament
But He gives more abundant grace, as is implied in His saying, "God sets Himself against the haughty, but to the lowly He gives grace."
God's grace is unlimited. But the anti-grace people either think it is limited by their own standards, or dearly wish it was limited.
There is no such thing as "too much grace", which you call "hyper-grace".
Well, thanks for revealing your very anti-grace orientation.
You probably are not aware of this verse about grace:
Berean Literal Bible
But He gives greater grace. Therefore it says: "God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
New American Standard Bible
But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”
Weymouth New Testament
But He gives more abundant grace, as is implied in His saying, "God sets Himself against the haughty, but to the lowly He gives grace."
God's grace is unlimited. But the anti-grace people either think it is limited by their own standards, or dearly wish it was limited.
There is no such thing as "too much grace", which you call "hyper-grace".