The second coming of Jesus

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maybe you would say you are bornagain now, but I would say not now untill meet Jesus in heaven.
we just trying not to be the old self but new one in Christ.
spiritual knowledge in Christ.
If we are not ....born again......while on this earth......we will not be .......saved..... final upon Judgement. by Christ.
 

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John 3. You must be born again to enter the kingdom of Heaven. The words of Jesus.
 

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Good morning!

"Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is."

"Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, and set apart for the gospel of God—the gospel He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh, and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,"

Friend, this is not a meaningless argument, but it is necessary for you to believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ and that believers are also going to be resurrected bodily. At the time the resurrection takes place, the bodies of those who have died in Christ will be raised immortal and glorified. Immediately after that, those in Christ who are still alive their bodies will be transformed immortal and glorified.

"Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

Why bother with the graves, if it is only a spiritual resurrection, which doesn't make any sense because the word itself means to stand up bodily.

I've already presented the definition of the word 'anastasis' translated as 'Resurrection' to you demonstrating that it refers to the physical body standing up again. I have also shown you that Jesus appeared to His disciples who thought that He was a spirit and His response was "a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have." After all these proofs how is it that you still don't believe? Jesus' bodily resurrection is a proof of His being the Son of God.

If you are not believing that believers in Christ will resurrect bodily, then you are not believing in the bodily resurrection of Christ either, which is a requirement for salvation.



As the scripture above proclaims, "when Christ appears, we shall be like Him."

When a believer dies their spirits go to be in the presence of the Lord. If the resurrection was speaking about being raised spiritually, why would there be a need for a resurrection, since the spirits of the dead are already in the presence of the Lord at the time of death?

I would urge you to do a study on the resurrection starting with 1 Corinthians 15, because unless you believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ you are not saved. And if you say that only Christ rose bodily, but believers will not be raised bodily, then you are not believing that Christ did either, even though you say you do, because believers will all be resurrected in the same way that Christ was, which is bodily.
Deuteronomy 34
1 And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
4 And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.
6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
Moses was buried in the Vally in the land of Moab, Like Jesus no man could find his body.
Mark 9
1And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Jesus, Elijah, and Moses all appeared not in flesh Bodies but in spiritual bodies and white robes shining exceeding white. They looked as we will at the coming of Jesus at the sound of the 7th trump when He gathers us to Him on the Mount of Olives as that Millennium Reign starts and every knee will bow down and every Toung confuses that Jesus Christ is Lord.
No blood, no flesh, just spiritual bodies some with a mortal soul and some with an immortal soul.
 

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He said inherit not enter.
Really?...

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. KJV

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, “Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. CSB

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ESV

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. NASB
 

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Really?...

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. KJV

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, “Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. CSB

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ESV

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. NASB
This is true you must be born of the flesh you must be born into this world before you can be born again. If you are not born of the flesh your spirit goes straight back to God. I had a 13 month granddaughter die a year and a half ago she was cremated are you telling me she is not with the Father right know. What about a child that is miscarried they don't have a flesh body are they just lost. I was in the Navy during the Vietnam we lost countess to body destroying injuries what about them. I am sorry to get graphic but it is to make a point.
 

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We are dead in our Savior, Messiah.

No, we are alive in our Saviour.

1Co_15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
 

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We are dead in our Savior, Messiah.
The comment Judge not, that you be not Judged is way out of line. He is not Judging but He does have the right and the power of decrement and is using it. He is right to compare thee bride of Christ to a dead rotting carcass is horrific and maybe even worse.
 

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This is true you must be born of the flesh you must be born into this world before you can be born again. If you are not born of the flesh your spirit goes straight back to God. I had a 13 month granddaughter die a year and a half ago she was cremated are you telling me she is not with the Father right know. What about a child that is miscarried they don't have a flesh body are they just lost. I was in the Navy during the Vietnam we lost countess to body destroying injuries what about them. I am sorry to get graphic but it is to make a point.
Maybe you need to get a bit more graphic because I don’t at all get your point in relation to the verses I posted. Or it seems your argument is with Jesus because that’s who I quoted. He made it crystal clear that a person MUST BE born again to enter God’s kingdom.
 
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This is true you must be born of the flesh you must be born into this world before you can be born again. If you are not born of the flesh your spirit goes straight back to God. I had a 13 month granddaughter die a year and a half ago she was cremated are you telling me she is not with the Father right know. What about a child that is miscarried they don't have a flesh body are they just lost. I was in the Navy during the Vietnam we lost countess to body destroying injuries what about them. I am sorry to get graphic but it is to make a point.
What scripture gives the right to cremate a body?
 
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This is true you must be born of the flesh you must be born into this world before you can be born again. If you are not born of the flesh your spirit goes straight back to God. I had a 13 month granddaughter die a year and a half ago she was cremated are you telling me she is not with the Father right know. What about a child that is miscarried they don't have a flesh body are they just lost. I was in the Navy during the Vietnam we lost countess to body destroying injuries what about them. I am sorry to get graphic but it is to make a point.

WOW...a new one...if not born in flesh..what other way can a birth occur?
 

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Make a joke; You do that rather than open your bible and show me in your bible where Paul lied when He said flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Matthew 17:1
King James Bible
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
American Standard Version
And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart:
Young's Literal Translation
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, and James, and John his brother, and doth bring them up to a high mount by themselves,
17:2
King James Bible
And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
American Standard Version
and he was transfigured before them; and his face did shine as the sun, and his garments became white as the light.
Young's Literal Translation
and he was transfigured before them, and his face shone as the sun, and his garments did become white as the light,
17:3
King James Bible
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
American Standard Version
And behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.
Young's Literal Translation
and lo, appear to them did Moses and Elijah, talking together with him.
17:4
King James Bible
Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
American Standard Version
And Peter answered, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, I will make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.
Young's Literal Translation
And Peter answering said to Jesus, 'Sir, it is good to us to be here; if thou wilt, we may make here three booths -- for thee one, and for Moses one, and one for Elijah.'
17:5
Young's Literal Translation
And Peter answering said to Jesus, 'Sir, it is good to us to be here; if thou wilt, we may make here three booths -- for thee one, and for Moses one, and one for Elijah.'
American Standard Version
While he was yet speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold, a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Young's Literal Translation
While he is yet speaking, lo, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying, 'This is My Son, -- the Beloved, in whom I did delight; hear him.'
Where in this do you see anything that might be a flesh body. Moses, and Elijah were both dead and buried in the flesh. Those bodies are not in any of these 3 verses.
 

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What scripture gives the right to cremate a body?
God himself burned many people to death, yet it was only their flesh bodies at that time that perished.


2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;


Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Here God spoke of such a thing, though it was stopped by God later.


1 Samuel 31:12 All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.
1 Samuel 31:13 And they took their bones, and buried them under a tree at Jabesh, and fasted seven days.


Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.



Since the body returns to the dust, it really doesnt matter how that happens, whether by decomposition, burning, or even drowning and decomposing under water. The spirit instantly returns to God at death.
 
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God himself burned many people to death, yet it was only their flesh bodies at that time that perished.


2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;


Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Here God spoke of such a thing, though it was stopped by God later.


1 Samuel 31:12 All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.
1 Samuel 31:13 And they took their bones, and buried them under a tree at Jabesh, and fasted seven days.


Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.



Since the body returns to the dust, it really doesnt matter how that happens, whether by decomposition, burning, or even drowning and decomposing under water. The spirit instantly returns to God at death.

None of those support your contention.

I suspect you agree that one can commit suicide. and be ok with God.......do you?
 

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None of those support your contention.

They do offer support while you have presented nothing negative against it.

1Sa 31:12 All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.
 
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Once while in the Rockies I happened to be with two astrophysicists at my camp siste one night. I noticed what I guessed was a satellite moving thought the night sky. Pointing it tout to my friends we three watched as it moved silently across the sky when it stopped between two stars and backed up a bit and seemed to just park there stationery.

When.. I have seral friends who formed the astrophysics department at that time, but these two were but two of them, and a bit on the flake side of the box. The one declared it must be aliens' in a space ship stopping to observe the earth and perhaps more than just observe.

Something occurred to me and I asked if it were possible to launch a satellite and put it in a stationary orbit, and so the one said, , " Right, we have just witnessed a satellite being put into a synchronous orbit of the earth.

This goes to show that not all PhD-s are completely in control of what they see., and observe. Even this hillbilly from the Ozarks was able to fill them in on what was going on in near space. lol.
Were you able to see the Milky Way? At least that is the way I heard it referred to when you are in the mountains and the sky has thousands of stars.
 
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I didn't say something like this "Behold,here is the christ" or "there he is" or "behold,he is in the wilderness"
So far, none of this has happened. Can you think what the Bible says will really happen?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

2008.5.12 There was a 8.8 magnitude earthquake in China,WenChuan Earthquake
I have seen the sun was darkened in news,it was not that it doesn't glow,
I can only describe a large dark area in the part of the solar wind,
It's not something that can be seen with the eyes, it's seen by astronomical observation equipment
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Can total solar eclipse and total lunar eclipse be ok????So much has happened these years
I really don't know the stars,
But I did see a star fall from the sky,
Then it turned into a civil aircraft flying over my head, silent and powerless.I'm serious.
Were you near where the earthquake of 2008 was? Many people were killed and children at schools collapsed?
 

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Were you near where the earthquake of 2008 was? Many people were killed and children at schools collapsed?
Anyway, the earthquake was felt all over China. I was on the 14th floor of the building. I was in the state next to the state where the earthquake occurred. I could no longer stand up and could not walk.

But I want to say that this earthquake may be related to the Three Gorges Project. A large amount of water pressure has changed the address structure. The earthquake center is just where the three waterways meet. Maybe even the groundwater structure has been affected.

But even if my theory is correct, it will not affect anything. If this earthquake is the one predicted, that's it.

2008.5/12 the WenChuan earthquake

5 1 2

5 sounds as "I" in Chinese
1 sounds as "want " or "need"
2 sounds as "love"

Normal we use "521" represent as "I love you" in China
 
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Anyway, the earthquake was felt all over China. I was on the 14th floor of the building. I was in the state next to the state where the earthquake occurred. I could no longer stand up and could not walk.

But I want to say that this earthquake may be related to the Three Gorges Project. A large amount of water pressure has changed the address structure. The earthquake center is just where the three waterways meet. Maybe even the groundwater structure has been affected.

But even if my theory is correct, it will not affect anything. If this earthquake is the one predicted, that's it.

2008.5/12 the WenChuan earthquake

5 1 2

5 sounds as "I" in Chinese
1 sounds as "want " or "need"
2 sounds as "love"

Normal we use "521" represent as "I love you" in China
Very interesting, 521 and Jesus 521. I was just on this chat site talking of how water in oceans and lakes affect earthquakes.