Jesus is the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost

[Hearer]

No because Jesus says in a bit I will send the Holy Spirit to you or rather the father will send the spirit. Also we know Jesus will be coming back at the time he is speaking during his resurection or the parousia. Also how can Jesus be with them if he is at the right hand of the father making intercession for the saints.

1) why does Jesus say that the Spirit is not seen by the world but the disciples live with him constantly?

2)... the Spirit of Christ, in relation to the Lord's resurrection (Rom. 8:9); and as the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

3) The Spirit of Jesus Christ is "the Spirit" mentioned in John 7:39. This is not merely the Spirit of God before the Lord's incarnation but the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit with divinity, after the Lord's resurrection, compounded with the Lord's incarnation (humanity), human living under the cross, crucifixion, and resurrection.

Link: Philippians 1:19 note 4

 

[Scotth1960]

Could you PLEASE show me one verse in the Bible with the word "Trinity" or "Holy Trinity" or "God the Son" or "God the Holy Ghost". "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." (Jeremiah 17:5)


I Gave verse to support what I say. Not only are you blaspheming against the word of "God" [singular] but you are adding and taking away to the word of God. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."-(Revelation 22:18-19)

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Maybe this is why you don't understand. "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Daniel 12:10)

Praise the Lord our Father, Jesus Christ

Dear friend, Jesus Christ said, "I and the Father are one". He did not say, "I AM the Father". He said He is the Only-begotten Son (John 3:16). Confusing the Father with the Son is the ancient heresy of Sabellianism. If the Father is the Father, the Son is the Father, and the Holy Spirit is the Father, that is "three Fathers" and three gods. It's paganism/polytheism to say that Jesus Christ is the Father. That verse in Isaiah says His name shall be called Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. It does not say He is the Everlasting Father. It says, "For unto us a SON is born ...." Not a Father is born. The Father cannot be born. The Holy Spirit cannot be born. Only God the Son can be born.
He is true God and true man, God from God.
Here is the truth. I committed no blasphemy in teaching the Holy Trinity. Matthew 28:19 teaches the Holy Trinity.
Here is the truth. Rejecting these words would mean you don't understand what the Bible means!
"THE HOLY TRINITY" "The Holy Trinity is revealed both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, the Trinity is revealed in subtle ways; in the New Testament, the Trinity is revealed fully and plainly, beginning at the Baptism of our Lord.
"The Holy Trinity is one God in three Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These Persons are distinct, but not separate, and are not three gods. They are One God because They are one in essence or nature. The Father is the unbegotten Fountainhead of Deity. The Son is eternally begotten of the Father (John 1:18, John 3:16, John 16:28). The Holy Spirit is the Helper [Comforter] (John 14:16) and Spirit of Truth (John 14:17; John 16:13), Who proceeds from the Father (John 15:26)". OSB Orthodox Study Bible. page 4. Copyright 2008, by Fr. Jack N. Sparks, Ph.D., Dean, Saint Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.

Verses on the Holy Trinity
1. Genesis 1:1
2. Genesis 1:2
3. Genesis 1:3
4. Genesis 1:26
5. Isaiah 63:16
6. Psalm 2:7-8
7. Isaiah 6:1-3
8. Isaiah 44:3
9. Isaiah 48:16-17
10. John 1:1
11. John 8:58
12. Acts 2:17
13. Hebrews 1:8-10 Cf. Psalm 44:7, Psalm 101:26-28
14. Luke 1:35
15. Matthew 3:16-17
Matthew 3:16-17 When the Son of God was baptized in the Jordan by John, the Father's voice was heard from heaven, and the Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove. as the main hymn for the Feast of Theophany says, "When You, O Lord, were baptized in the Jordan, the worship of the Trinity was made manifest." OSB page 4.

God save us all in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen and Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

-"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" (Deuteronomy 6:4)
-"One Lord, one faith, one baptism, "(Ephesians 4:5)
-"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15)
-"And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer." (Psalms 78:35). "So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David." (1 Samuel 17:50)
-"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19) "name" notice it's singular not plural so these are titles not different people or gods but ONE God. This is the word of God!!

There is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father. Want more prove "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father. More prove Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24). More prove we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins. Also what God would we have if He sent His only Son to die instead of Himself? But we don't have a God like that cuz Jesus is God the Father.

Dear R3V07UTI0N,
"Common Misrepresentations of The Holy Trinity" "While some misinterpret the Trinity to be polytheistic, others err on the side of modalism (or Sabellianism). This is the belief that God expresses himself through different forms or modes. There are not three individual persons; there is only one person who wears three different hats. .... [It is called] Jesus-Only or Oneness theology ... in the vast majority of Christian churches, this is considered to be heresy. ..."


There is only one Father (Ephesians 4:6), so Jesus Christ is not the Father. If Jesus Christ were the Father, there would be 2 Fathers. And then, if the Holy Spirit, being God, is also Father, there would be 3 Fathers. And that would mean 3 gods. Not one God. But no, there is only one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19, 1 John 5:7). Ephesians 4:6 says, "one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

God bless you.

In Erie Scott Harrington

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

I believe we should say it the way the Bible says it; case closed! If we quote the Scripture we will be saying God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, not God the Father is the Lord Jesus Christ. Stick with how the Scipture is written.

Do you mean like this?
"Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad."-(Psalms 14:7). Is Jacob different person from Israel. That's the Scripture says it.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6) could you explain this Scripture?

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

Dear friend, Jesus Christ said, "I and the Father are one". He did not say, "I AM the Father". He said He is the Only-begotten Son (John 3:16). Confusing the Father with the Son is the ancient heresy of Sabellianism. If the Father is the Father, the Son is the Father, and the Holy Spirit is the Father, that is "three Fathers" and three gods. It's paganism/polytheism to say that Jesus Christ is the Father. That verse in Isaiah says His name shall be called Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. It does not say He is the Everlasting Father. It says, "For unto us a SON is born ...." Not a Father is born. The Father cannot be born. The Holy Spirit cannot be born. Only God the Son can be born.
He is true God and true man, God from God.
Here is the truth. I committed no blasphemy in teaching the Holy Trinity. Matthew 28:19 teaches the Holy Trinity.
Here is the truth. Rejecting these words would mean you don't understand what the Bible means!
"THE HOLY TRINITY" "The Holy Trinity is revealed both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, the Trinity is revealed in subtle ways; in the New Testament, the Trinity is revealed fully and plainly, beginning at the Baptism of our Lord.
"The Holy Trinity is one God in three Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These Persons are distinct, but not separate, and are not three gods. They are One God because They are one in essence or nature. The Father is the unbegotten Fountainhead of Deity. The Son is eternally begotten of the Father (John 1:18, John 3:16, John 16:28). The Holy Spirit is the Helper [Comforter] (John 14:16) and Spirit of Truth (John 14:17; John 16:13), Who proceeds from the Father (John 15:26)". OSB Orthodox Study Bible. page 4. Copyright 2008, by Fr. Jack N. Sparks, Ph.D., Dean, Saint Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.

Verses on the Holy Trinity
1. Genesis 1:1
2. Genesis 1:2
3. Genesis 1:3
4. Genesis 1:26
5. Isaiah 63:16
6. Psalm 2:7-8
7. Isaiah 6:1-3
8. Isaiah 44:3
9. Isaiah 48:16-17
10. John 1:1
11. John 8:58
12. Acts 2:17
13. Hebrews 1:8-10 Cf. Psalm 44:7, Psalm 101:26-28
14. Luke 1:35
15. Matthew 3:16-17
Matthew 3:16-17 When the Son of God was baptized in the Jordan by John, the Father's voice was heard from heaven, and the Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove. as the main hymn for the Feast of Theophany says, "When You, O Lord, were baptized in the Jordan, the worship of the Trinity was made manifest." OSB page 4.

God save us all in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen and Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

What is OSB?

 

[Scotth1960]

What is OSB?

Dear friend, One of thehe best study Bibles available is the OSB.

It is the Orthodox Study Bible. I recommend if you want to

understand what the Bible really means, including Isaiah 9:6,

get also the ONT (Orthodox New Testament).

Available from Amazon.com at GOOGLE

ONT Orthodox New Testament. Volume 1, Evangelistarion, the

Holy Gospels. Volume 2, Praxapostolos, Acts, Epistles,

Revelation. Copyright 2000, by Holy Apostles Convent, trans-

lators, Buena Vista, CO.

See also OSB Orthodox Study Bible. Copyright 2008, by

Saint Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove,

CA. Fr. Jack N. Sparks, Ph.D., Dean, editor. Nashville, TN:

Thomas Nelson Bibles.

For the reason my thinking about John 15:26 changed, see:

Gillquist, Fr. Peter E. (1992). Becoming Orthodox: A Journey

to the Ancient Christian Faith. Revised and Expanded Edition.

Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press. Available from Amazon.com

on GOOGLE.

God bless you.

Also see: Wikipedia SABELLIANISM on the search engine

GOOGLE, or Yahoo, etc.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

God bless America. Amen.

God save our American nation and get a good solution in

Congress and Pres. Obama to the debt crisis.

 

[Scotth1960]

Do you mean like this?
"Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad."-(Psalms 14:7). Is Jacob different person from Israel. That's the Scripture says it.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6) could you explain this Scripture?

. That verse is from the KJV (King James Version). It is an English translation made by mostly Anglican translators in England in 1611 AD. It is based, not on the best version of the Old Testament, the Greek Septuagint Old Testament translation, but upon a faulty Rabbinic Masoretic Hebrew texts taken from Judaism in those Jews who do not believe that Christ is Messiah, so how could they know then what the best inspired Old Testament is.
Thus, the KJV translation of Isaiah 9:6 is erroneous because it is based upon an inferior Hebrew text, instead of the inspired translation of the Hebrew into Greek. The original Hebrew text has been lost to history, and indeed ISTM it has been falsified and suppressed by the Jewish rabbis who reject Christ.
Based on the correct OT text, the Jewish translation of the Hebrew into Greek from the second century Before Christ, Isaiah 9:5 in English translation in the OSB (Orthodox Study Bible, SAAS Saint Athanasius Academy Septuagint) reads:
"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. His name will be called the Angel of Great Council, for I shall bring peace upon the rulers, peace and health by Him."
Isaiah 9:6 in the KJV is Isaiah 9:5 in the OSB. And the OSB has the correct translation, "Angel of Great Council", and the words "Everlasting Father", are not in the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. Therefore, your belief that Jesus Christ is "the Everlasting Father" rests on the testimony of unbelieving Jews who bear witness to the Hebrew text behind the King James Version Old Testament, Jews who reject the LORD Jesus Christ: So how would they know what is the correct text of the Old Testament?
God bless us in Christ our LORD. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS While the Book of Hebrews explains that Jesus Christ is not an Angel, in the Old Testament, the "Angel of the LORD" is the LORD Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate Theophany. So this is what Isa. 9:5 in the OSB means. He is the Angel of Great Counsel, the Angel of the LORD. The Angel of the LORD is mentioned only in the OT. He is not mentioned in the NT, because He became a man, and no longer appeared as a Theophany (manifestation of God) as in the OT, but as God with us, Immanuel, God Incarnate, God manifest in the flesh.
God had many symbolic Theophanies in the OT, as in the 3 visitors to Abraham in Genesis 18, the burning bush with Moses, the Pillar of fire with Moses, and so on.

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

Dear friend, Jesus Christ said, "I and the Father are one". He did not say, "I AM the Father". He said He is the Only-begotten Son (John 3:16). Confusing the Father with the Son is the ancient heresy of Sabellianism. If the Father is the Father, the Son is the Father, and the Holy Spirit is the Father, that is "three Fathers" and three gods. It's paganism/polytheism to say that Jesus Christ is the Father. That verse in Isaiah says His name shall be called Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. It does not say He is the Everlasting Father. It says, "For unto us a SON is born ...." Not a Father is born. The Father cannot be born. The Holy Spirit cannot be born. Only God the Son can be born.
He is true God and true man, God from God.
Here is the truth. I committed no blasphemy in teaching the Holy Trinity. Matthew 28:19 teaches the Holy Trinity.
Here is the truth. Rejecting these words would mean you don't understand what the Bible means!
"THE HOLY TRINITY" "The Holy Trinity is revealed both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, the Trinity is revealed in subtle ways; in the New Testament, the Trinity is revealed fully and plainly, beginning at the Baptism of our Lord.
"The Holy Trinity is one God in three Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These Persons are distinct, but not separate, and are not three gods. They are One God because They are one in essence or nature. The Father is the unbegotten Fountainhead of Deity. The Son is eternally begotten of the Father (John 1:18, John 3:16, John 16:28). The Holy Spirit is the Helper [Comforter] (John 14:16) and Spirit of Truth (John 14:17; John 16:13), Who proceeds from the Father (John 15:26)". OSB Orthodox Study Bible. page 4. Copyright 2008, by Fr. Jack N. Sparks, Ph.D., Dean, Saint Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.

Verses on the Holy Trinity
1. Genesis 1:1
2. Genesis 1:2
3. Genesis 1:3
4. Genesis 1:26
5. Isaiah 63:16
6. Psalm 2:7-8
7. Isaiah 6:1-3
8. Isaiah 44:3
9. Isaiah 48:16-17
10. John 1:1
11. John 8:58
12. Acts 2:17
13. Hebrews 1:8-10 Cf. Psalm 44:7, Psalm 101:26-28
14. Luke 1:35
15. Matthew 3:16-17
Matthew 3:16-17 When the Son of God was baptized in the Jordan by John, the Father's voice was heard from heaven, and the Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove. as the main hymn for the Feast of Theophany says, "When You, O Lord, were baptized in the Jordan, the worship of the Trinity was made manifest." OSB page 4.

God save us all in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen and Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

You are putting words in my mouth because I do not believe in polytheism I believe in monotheism. According to what you are saying the Trinity is poly. I only believe in Oneness that is Mono. I don't know if you know the definition or polytheism but persons is plural more then one therefore you are contradicting yourself I Believe Jesus is a name. Father Son Holy Ghost Prince of Peace Counselor Almighty Saviour all these and more are titles. When some one asks you what is your name do you say father? Or maybe son? Not cuz we know that you are a son they didn't ask you a obvious question they asked name not title.

 

[Scotth1960]

You are putting words in my mouth because I do not believe in polytheism I believe in monotheism. According to what you are saying the Trinity is poly. I only believe in Oneness that is Mono. I don't know if you know the definition or polytheism but persons is plural more then one therefore you are contradicting yourself I Believe Jesus is a name. Father Son Holy Ghost Prince of Peace Counselor Almighty Saviour all these and more are titles. When some one asks you what is your name do you say father? Or maybe son? Not cuz we know that you are a son they didn't ask you a obvious question they asked name not title.

Genesis 1:26 proves persons. God said, "Let us make man in our image".
US. Our. Plural within the Unity of the Godhead. There is Only One God (Isaiah 44:6). Matthew 28:19 shows the persons, as does 1 John 5:7. If you say all three are the Father:
You say the Son is the Father. You say the Father is the Father. And, if you believe the Holy Spirit is God, you would then have to say the Spirit is the Father. That makes 3 Fathers. But Ephesians 4:6 says there is only one Father. Your view that Jesus is the Father would make at least 2 fathers, and that is polytheism, whatever else you want to call it; whereas Eph. 4:6 says there is only one Father.

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

. That verse is from the KJV (King James Version). It is an English translation made by mostly Anglican translators in England in 1611 AD. It is based, not on the best version of the Old Testament, the Greek Septuagint Old Testament translation, but upon a faulty Rabbinic Masoretic Hebrew texts taken from Judaism in those Jews who do not believe that Christ is Messiah, so how could they know then what the best inspired Old Testament is.
Thus, the KJV translation of Isaiah 9:6 is erroneous because it is based upon an inferior Hebrew text, instead of the inspired translation of the Hebrew into Greek. The original Hebrew text has been lost to history, and indeed ISTM it has been falsified and suppressed by the Jewish rabbis who reject Christ.
Based on the correct OT text, the Jewish translation of the Hebrew into Greek from the second century Before Christ, Isaiah 9:5 in English translation in the OSB (Orthodox Study Bible, SAAS Saint Athanasius Academy Septuagint) reads:
"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. His name will be called the Angel of Great Council, for I shall bring peace upon the rulers, peace and health by Him."
Isaiah 9:6 in the KJV is Isaiah 9:5 in the OSB. And the OSB has the correct translation, "Angel of Great Council", and the words "Everlasting Father", are not in the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. Therefore, your belief that Jesus Christ is "the Everlasting Father" rests on the testimony of unbelieving Jews who bear witness to the Hebrew text behind the King James Version Old Testament, Jews who reject the LORD Jesus Christ: So how would they know what is the correct text of the Old Testament?
God bless us in Christ our LORD. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS While the Book of Hebrews explains that Jesus Christ is not an Angel, in the Old Testament, the "Angel of the LORD" is the LORD Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate Theophany. So this is what Isa. 9:5 in the OSB means. He is the Angel of Great Counsel, the Angel of the LORD. The Angel of the LORD is mentioned only in the OT. He is not mentioned in the NT, because He became a man, and no longer appeared as a Theophany (manifestation of God) as in the OT, but as God with us, Immanuel, God Incarnate, God manifest in the flesh.
God had many symbolic Theophanies in the OT, as in the 3 visitors to Abraham in Genesis 18, the burning bush with Moses, the Pillar of fire with Moses, and so on.

So are you sang that we can not believe the Old Testament because the original Hebrew language has be lost? So do you mean we don't even know who created us and we don't know if Adam and Eve are even their names do you mean to say we should not believe in the Old Testament only the knew? Idk but you have a wicked mind you asked me where in the Bible does it say we should go only by the Bible so this means that you don't have faith in the word of God but not only that you are trying to trust in man instead of the word of God. Wait so are you assuming that man is more wise or even has more authority the God? No you are wrong Scott you should not mislead people if you add to the Word of God then plagues and if you take away like you are trying to do then your name will be taken away from the book of life.

I will pray for you God bless

 

[foundthetruth]

This is how I understand it:

Jesus is God, Father is God, Holy Spirit is God

Jesus is the Father (God- the Creator) made flesh (in some mysterious way I can't fully comprehend), the Father is God (the Creator), the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, for God is Spirit. "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

This is how I understand it:

Jesus is God, Father is God, Holy Spirit is God

Jesus is the Father (God- the Creator) made flesh (in some mysterious way I can't fully comprehend), the Father is God (the Creator), the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, for God is Spirit. "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

Yes that is what I believe if Jesus is God and the Father is God and the Holy Ghost is God and there is only one Spirit of God. This means Jesus is the Holy Son given unto us and the Father as the creator. How can God do this because He is who He Is. Is anything to hard for Him? We are not gods to completely understand how Jesus does his miracles we are man chosen by God we did not choose God.

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

1) why does Jesus say that the Spirit is not seen by the world but the disciples live with him constantly?

2)... the Spirit of Christ, in relation to the Lord's resurrection (Rom. 8:9); and as the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

3) The Spirit of Jesus Christ is "the Spirit" mentioned in John 7:39. This is not merely the Spirit of God before the Lord's incarnation but the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit with divinity, after the Lord's resurrection, compounded with the Lord's incarnation (humanity), human living under the cross, crucifixion, and resurrection.

Link: Philippians 1:19 note 4

1)they have the Holy Ghost which is the spirit of Jesus

2)Jesus is Holy right? And he has a Spirit that means Jesus is the Holy Spirit

3) yes again Jesus is the Holy Spirit

 

[angelos]

1)they have the Holy Ghost which is the spirit of Jesus

2)Jesus is Holy right? And he has a Spirit that means Jesus is the Holy Spirit

3) yes again Jesus is the Holy Spirit

point 2 is flawed logic

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

point 2 is flawed logic

Yes it's logic but some people like Scotth1960 do not understand this or believe it. He thinks that the Father is one person and the Son is obviously Jesus and that the Holy Spirit is another person idk why he thinks this. I told him I believe in one God only and he said that is polytheism. But it's not it's monotheism. He probably just plays with the word of God but I don't I take it serious.

 

[angelos]

Yes it's logic but some people like Scotth1960 do not understand this or believe it. He thinks that the Father is one person and the Son is obviously Jesus and that the Holy Spirit is another person idk why he thinks this. I told him I believe in one God only and he said that is polytheism. But it's not it's monotheism. He probably just plays with the word of God but I don't I take it serious.

it's flawed logic though just because Jesus has a Spirit doesn't mean he is the Holy Spirit. also I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God and the Son is God and the Father is God. The Father is not the son and the Son is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father. I believe there is only one God.

 

[Joshua175]

Once again, who is Jesus?

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Plain and simple, try and make it difficult all you want. But it's as simple as understanding the parts of man. Man has three parts, spirit, soul and body. Man was created in God's image. Those three parts are one, all the same person, with the same thoughts but different forms of that same person.

 

[Scotth1960]

Dear R3V07UTI0N,
No Trinity? What to believe, then? ...
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." 2 Timothy 4:3-4 NKJV
God bless you in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: the Holy Trinity. Amen. In Erie PA USA July 15/28, 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington
PS Jesus Christ is not God the Father.
Jesus Christ is God the Son, true God, and true Man.
The Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son.
The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One God, The Holy Trinity. Three Persons in One God.

-"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" (Deuteronomy 6:4)
-"One Lord, one faith, one baptism, "(Ephesians 4:5)
-"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15)
-"And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer." (Psalms 78:35). "So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David." (1 Samuel 17:50)
-"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19) "name" notice it's singular not plural so these are titles not different people or gods but ONE God. This is the word of God!!

There is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father. Want more prove "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father. More prove Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24). More prove we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins. Also what God would we have if He sent His only Son to die instead of Himself? But we don't have a God like that cuz Jesus is God the Father.

 

[Scotth1960]

So are you sang that we can not believe the Old Testament because the original Hebrew language has be lost? So do you mean we don't even know who created us and we don't know if Adam and Eve are even their names do you mean to say we should not believe in the Old Testament only the knew? Idk but you have a wicked mind you asked me where in the Bible does it say we should go only by the Bible so this means that you don't have faith in the word of God but not only that you are trying to trust in man instead of the word of God. Wait so are you assuming that man is more wise or even has more authority the God? No you are wrong Scott you should not mislead people if you add to the Word of God then plagues and if you take away like you are trying to do then your name will be taken away from the book of life.

I will pray for you God bless

The unbelieving Jews have corrupted the Hebrew. It exists only in patches, as in Isaiah 53:11 in the Dead Sea Scrolls Bible in Hebrew, the oldest manuscript extant of the Hebrew Bible.
The most faithful JEWISH TRANSLATION of the HEBREW BIBLE is THE GREEK OLD TESTAMENT SEPTUAGINT VERSION OF AROUND 200 BC.
THIS IS THE BIBLE OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND THE BIBLE KNOWN TO JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.
Actually, I know what I believe and I'm not wrong anymore. I used to be wrong when I said "Who proceeds from the Father and the Son" (FILIOQUE). But I don't say that anymore. I'm still a sinner in need of God's mercy, but I'm not so wrong about doctrine anymore. I've always TRIED to believe in SOUND DOCTRINE.
Sometimes, I've failed. BUT GOD ALWAYS RESTORED ME TO SOUND FAITH, TRUE FAITH.
God restore you to belief in the Holy Trinity. AMEN.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Jesus is God's Son

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”?
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”
To which of the angels did God ever say,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”? Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

In Jesus name