Ask away.. I am willing to answer any question any about my biblical beliefs

[Laodicea]

I've read in Daniel about the seventy weeks of years, which was 490 years, and that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day, but I've not read that 1 day = 1 year. Do you have a reference for that?

Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

Both Moses & Ezekiel were prophets so then when it is prophetic language we are to use the year day principle. For more information see attached file

 

[4runner]

I have a great idea...Laodicea, and Dominion either pm each other or one of the two of you start a new thread on the subject of the 1/2 hr in heaven/ 1 day= 1,000 yrs or the 1 day = 1yrs or whatever, and discuss it there.

I truly appreciate it

God Bless

 

[distinctiveministry]

I have a great idea...Laodicea, and Dominion either pm each other or one of the two of you start a new thread on the subject of the 1/2 hr in heaven/ 1 day= 1,000 yrs or the 1 day = 1yrs or whatever, and discuss it there.

I truly appreciate it

God Bless

Please guys, start a thread. Hijacking threads is not nice.

 

[Dominion]

I'll go you one better. I'll leave. You're of no real interest to me.

 

[1joh39]

4runner i sent you a pm, before i read this,,, now this is more like it.. And I thank God that there are teachers like you, Understand scripture, What a gift! Is it the gift of knowledge, or the gift of wisdom, or both? Ignore the pm,, Our growth is in God's hands, does he have a PAUSE button? Wh ydo i feel like i am on PAUSE? Disobedience?

 

[needmesomejesus]

Do you believe tongues and prophesy still exist and why?

 

[4runner]

4runner i sent you a pm, before i read this,,, now this is more like it.. And I thank God that there are teachers like you, Understand scripture, What a gift! Is it the gift of knowledge, or the gift of wisdom, or both? Ignore the pm,, Our growth is in God's hands, does he have a PAUSE button? Wh ydo i feel like i am on PAUSE? Disobedience?

God does not have a pause button, but we do. Sometimes we plato, and that plato may seem like we are going backwards but we are not, we just are momentarily not moving forward. However Paul tells us tin Philippians 3 that we need to put those things done in the past whether good or bad behind us and keep moving forward toward the high calling of Christ.

Do not feel down brother, God's conviction or discipline is not to bring us worldly sorrow, but godly sorrow that will bring repentance, and back into obedience.

Keep your head up bother, I am sure you are right were God wants you to be

 

[4runner]

Do you believe tongues and prophesy still exist and why?

Yes I do because the bible says they do. There are many scriptures that speak of tongues and prophecy, but not one that would cause me to think God have revoked those or any other gift from His children.

Two things Paul wrote are..

1st Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

1st Thessalonians 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.

We are not to despise prophecies, but covet them. Furthermore we are never to forbid someone from speaking in tongues.


Why would Paul write these things if they are no longer available? Unless you believe that the Bible itself is not for the Church today?

 

[Crazy4GODword]

@4runner

You are following old covenant? Works for salvations? You need to read the new testament especially Romans the book.

 

[4runner]

@4runner

You are following old covenant? Works for salvations? You need to read the new testament especially Romans the book.

This is more of a statement than a question. However I will address it.

This is almost funny, but more so it is sad. I believe the gospel taught by Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the Apostles. for you to suggest it is the old covenant or that I need to read the New Testament and or Romans only shows your lack of understanding not mine.

Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

This in a nut shell is the gospel I believe and teach along with this....


Galatians 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.


Those in the O.T. didnt have the indwelt Spirit of God living in them therefore they were incapable of obeying His Law, we do have the Spirit of God if we are His children therefore we are capable of living a life of obedience to our Lord.

Romans 8
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.



No works outside of faith in Christ would ever be enough to save us, but we were ordained before the foundation of the Earth to walk in good works.







I would suggest you go to the op, and read the first answer to the first question.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Works is the out come of faith. But we are saved by grace. So no matter how much you work, it's not getting you anywhere but obedience and maybe blessings. We don't deserve Heaven, but by Jesus we are in...not by our works.

 

[4runner]

Works is the out come of faith. But we are saved by grace. So no matter how much you work, it's not getting you anywhere but obedience and maybe blessings. We don't deserve Heaven, but by Jesus we are in...not by our works.

I would tend to agree with that statement. My only concern would be the hear behind it seeing as you think someone that believes in righteousness and obedience to the Lord is teaching a works salvation. Jesus, Paul, and every Apostle taught these things.

The fact is keeping God's word is the most important part of discipleship outside of love. However these two really go hand in hand as Jesus tells us twice in John 14 that if we love Him we will keep His commandment, and then in Luke 6:46 Jesus says ''Why do you call me Lord and do not the things that I say''.

If we keep God's word then we show our love for Him, if we do not we show a lack thereof. If we desire to fulfill our own flesh, rather than obey God's commandments, then we show that we do not love God as we should. God will not so much judge our disobedience as He will our hearts. But if we continue in disobedience then it shows that our hearts are impure.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

I would tend to agree with that statement. My only concern would be the hear behind it seeing as you think someone that believes in righteousness and obedience to the Lord is teaching a works salvation. Jesus, Paul, and every Apostle taught these things.

The fact is keeping God's word is the most important part of discipleship outside of love. However these two really go hand in hand as Jesus tells us twice in John 14 that if we love Him we will keep His commandment, and then in Luke 6:46 Jesus says ''Why do you call me Lord and do not the things that I say''.

If we keep God's word then we show our love for Him, if we do not we show a lack thereof. If we desire to fulfill our own flesh, rather than obey God's commandments, then we show that we do not love God as we should. God will not so much judge our disobedience as He will our hearts. But if we continue in disobedience then it shows that our hearts are impure.

That's where you are stopped I want to say. You are right on points, and makes sense. To abide is to keep His commandments. But like the theif on the cross, well he didn't have a chance to perform works but die and confess (first). But if someone is disobedient and is trying to repent but is always falling into temptation...he not going to hell because God knows He is trying but there can be a twist so I can't judge.

A smoker is not going to hell if he is a believer trying to stop. He might be still disobeying but is trying to repent.....its all about grace and heart then works come along.

 

[4runner]

That's where you are stopped I want to say. You are right on points, and makes sense. To abide is to keep His commandments. But like the theif on the cross, well he didn't have a chance to perform works but die and confess (first).

True, good works cannot save you, it is onlt through faith in Christ and a death bed confession is affective if the people is truly repentant.

But if someone is disobedient and is trying to repent but is always falling into temptation...he not going to hell because God knows He is trying but there can be a twist so I can't judge.

None of us in ourselves can stop sinning, we have to yield to Christ and allow Him to free us

A smoker is not going to hell if he is a believer trying to stop. He might be still disobeying but is trying to repent.....its all about grace and heart then works come along.

This is where we will probably disagree. I do not believe good works can saved us, but our disobedience condemn us. A smoker that cannot stop smoking hasnt truly repented, and put their faith in Jesus, trusting HIM to deliver them.

 

[needmesomejesus]

Yes I do because the bible says they do. There are many scriptures that speak of tongues and prophecy, but not one that would cause me to think God have revoked those or any other gift from His children.

Two things Paul wrote are..

1st Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

1st Thessalonians 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.

We are not to despise prophecies, but covet them. Furthermore we are never to forbid someone from speaking in tongues.


Why would Paul write these things if they are no longer available? Unless you believe that the Bible itself is not for the Church today?

Oh okay fair enough. I don't agree, but fair enough.

 

[4runner]

posted in the wrong said....oops

 

[4runner]

2. what is the biblical definition in your opinion of the five fold ministry since you disagree with what Zone posted from some self proclaimed apostles and prophets websites?

I believe all 5 of the 5 fold ministries are still in effect, and will be until we (the church) come to unity in faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Just to expand on this answer.

Apostles are basically Church planters, not sent to churches to correct their false doctrines.

Prophets are called to correct the church, rebuke leaders for teaching false doctrine. They hear directly from the Lord, and speak what He says.


Pastors are to shepherd the flock, and teach them truth, not correct other pastors of their false doctrine, but teach their flock correctly.


Evangelist is to teach Christ and Christ alone, not correct or rebuke, and they are sent to the world, not the church.


A teacher is to disciple new converts teaching them the way they should go, not rebuke or correct leaders with in the church ect......



One side note: Today's Evangelist walk more in the role of a prophet speaking to the church. (not that all evangelist are prophets, most are not). While the missionary walks in the role of an Evangelist taking the gospel to the lost.

 

[zone]

Just to expand on this answer.

Apostles are basically Church planters, not sent to churches to correct their false doctrines.

Prophets are called to correct the church, rebuke leaders for teaching false doctrine. They hear directly from the Lord, and speak what He says.


Pastors are to shepherd the flock, and teach them truth, not correct other pastors of their false doctrine, but teach their flock correctly.


Evangelist is to teach Christ and Christ alone, not correct or rebuke, and they are sent to the world, not the church.


A teacher is to disciple new converts teaching them the way they should go, not rebuke or correct leaders with in the church ect......



One side note: Today's Evangelist walk more in the role of a prophet speaking to the church. (not that all evangelist are prophets, most are not). While the missionary walks in the role of an Evangelist taking the gospel to the lost.

IN YOUR DREAMS buddy.
i'm against you NAR guys from start to finish.
your post is total RUBBISH.
you have no clue.

 

[4runner]

IN YOUR DREAMS buddy.
i'm against you NAR guys from start to finish.
your post is total RUBBISH.
you have no clue.

Thank you for joining Zone

Actually I had never heard of NAR before hearing about them from you. I get my info straight from God's word.

I pray Jesus will reveals Himself to you, and brings you peace.

 

[damombomb]

This is not exactly a bible question. It is about the federal reserve and how it controls
america. What can we do about this? Just your opinion.