Where have I ever said I dont ask forgiveness for my sins?
Why the big lecture?
Simply by repenting (recognizing our sins) we are asking forgiveness. It's a completely automatic, natural process. All worked by the Holy Spirit. I barely even need to conciously do it. That is saying that you don't have to ask forgiveness for sins. Its NOT all worked by the holy spirit. its a CONCIOUS deceison that YOU have to make. and to say its not leads people astray. This has been the same thign i have ALWAYS said from the begining. Its not an automatic process that you are barely aware of. if you thin kthat there may be many sins you ACTUALLY are not asking forgiveness for.
I dont know what you want me to do. I dont know what 'suffer in the flesh' or 'dying to self' means.
Read your bible and pray about it. Its ALL over the bible. If you dont know what it means, then that means you dotn do it. Peter says suffering in the flesh is NOT givign into temptation. Read it. I posted it actually in the first post.
All I know is faith bears natural repentance. Every day.
Not true, please show me scriptrue that sasy FAITH bears repentance?
Please show me scripture that says "having faith is all that repenance is"
You accuse me of idolatry. Fine. Heres the other cheek.
Not accuse. Point out. im tellign you thats exactly what it is.
Thats really rich Rob. I dont understand? Me?
Show me you do. Any time we have had this conversation you mock ridicule, and avoid, anythig nthat TRULY has to do with denial of WILL. and then you call others hypocrites. I have had this conversation with you before. and that was months ago, it doesn stil lseem like you understand.
In the same paragraph you proclaim it's not our doing and then proceed to tell every one that WE must do this and WE must do that.
Nope in the same paragraph i say beign sinless is not our doing its JESUS in us. But WE must take a step so that JESUS can work that sinlessness in us(and it IS a process) that is what santification is. And WE can stop the process by not repenting, and askign forgiveness EVERY time. YOu have admitted previously, and still continue to admit you dont ask EVERY time, and you almsot make it seem like its another gospel, one contrary to JESUS to say that one MUST ask for forgiveness everytime. But its truly not. Im not ritign this to attack you, but in love im pleading with you to pray about it, and consider that you may have some thigns a little wrong, when it comes to forgivenss.
You are horribly confused.
Nope.
And I'll tell you one thing. Your righteousness certainly doesnt exceed that of the pharisees but your PIOUSNESS DOES.
Ok.
Ugh.....just sickening.
And yet you avoid the very thign we are actually talking about.
I dunno what you want me to do.
I dont want you to do anything. except see that maybe you are wrong that YOU have nothing to do when it comes to forgiveness.
Summink about going to the cross? No idea what yer talking about. It just sounds like pious lecturing.
Yeah i know.
Do you still sin Rob? Or are you perfect like Christ because you DO STUFF?
I do stumble, sure.(and as i mature in my walk i will stop stumbling to) We are not to live like sin is inevitable, but like sin is the LAST thing we shoudl do. I we feel tempted to even LOOK at somthign i na way that we shouldnt, we MUST resist it. THAT is suffering in the flesh. Im on my WAY to Mortifying the deeds of the flesh. are YOU? its what we MUST do. YOU say there is nothing more you must do. But thats not wha the bible says we MUST Put to death our sin natrue. and what is DEAD doesnt live.
Forget about sin buddy.
Jesus died to give us ETERNAL LIFE. Thats the inheritance.
Its the inherentence WITH stipultations. You must follow Jesus. if you follow him you must DENY SELF. and then you must ADHERE till the END to be saved. have you adhered till the end? SO if you beleive the words of JESUS why do you act like that is not waht we are to follow?
You dont understand 1 John because you think cleansing us from all sin means we stop sinning. It doesnt, it means that we are found not guilty of our sins before God. We are as clean as Jesus because we wear HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS instead of our own dirty righteousness which is filthy as rags.
Nope. YOU are wrong. and i cant stand when people quote isaiah, to justify SELF(besides the fact that you are taking it out of context) as to make an excuse where THERE righteousness is flithy rags. GOD has put works in your life to do, JESUS is suposed to be IN you, so thigns YOU do are NOT flithy rags.
YOu SIN nature, before you were born again were flihty rags NOW we are SUPOSED to be the righteousness of GOD. and we are the righteousness of GOD NOT becasue we say so, but becasue BY OUR WORKS, by our acions we prove that JESUS is in us. We ARENOT as clean as Jesus. No way. JEsus never gave into SIn. if YOU give into sin then YOU are saying JESUS did. Do you see the contradiction? We MUST be pure, holy and righteous, forget the FAKES claiming a false humlity for worldly gain. NO. We MUST be righteouss. its a must. we MSUT obey, and we MUST be clean, holy, and pure. We MUST walk in the spirit
You need to get to grips with that concept Rob. Until then it is YOU who is preaching a fals Gospel.
Nope. its sad that you cant see it. GOD calls us to be STRICTLY, COMPLETLY obedient. if we are NOT, then we do NOT love GOD wit hall our heart, soul, strength and mind, and cant POSSIBLY love the bretheren with that either. if we arent OBEDIENT and PUTTING TO DEATH the deeds of the flesh, then you CANT be loving GOD. IMPOSSIBLE. NOw if YOU are doign that, then GREAT, but if you are doing that, then hy arent you teling the little ones the same thing? We MUST be in the spirit, and its POSSIBLE to be in the spirit at al times. IF(again the word if, means if, if )you DO sin then We GO to Jesus on our knees and ask HIM for forgiveness. we must go to the sacrifice(the cross)
Its called works righteousness. An ancient error.