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You consider all megachurches to be led by false Christs? People claiming to be Jesus Christ???
The entire world was not involved. How many people were killed in the good old USA?
You consider the famines we see now as world-wide?
It will be far more than spiritual death: " to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."
Let me quote it for you:
12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
You believe that has happened????
Read Revelation. There has been NOTHING like what Revelation describes will happen.
The entire world was not involved. How many people were killed in the good old USA?
You consider the famines we see now as world-wide?
It will be far more than spiritual death: " to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."
Let me quote it for you:
12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
You believe that has happened????
Read Revelation. There has been NOTHING like what Revelation describes will happen.
Huh?
It says right here:
Luke 21:21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee
Those which are in Judea are JEWS (The NATIONALITY)
Ya know? Jew?
Jew - G2453
Ἰουδαῖος
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.
Huh?
The days WERE shortened. Sayz so right here:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
I dont even know what your asking me?
Does anyone else not understand this?
It says right here:
Luke 21:21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee
Those which are in Judea are JEWS (The NATIONALITY)
Ya know? Jew?
Jew - G2453
Ἰουδαῖος
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.
Huh?
The days WERE shortened. Sayz so right here:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
I dont even know what your asking me?
Does anyone else not understand this?
But you said they WILL repent. No matter WHAT. Coz you think its prophecy.
And you say JEWS ARE PART OF ISRAEL.
So basically you are saying all Jews will be saved. Done deal. No matter what.
I mean...this is like hyper-dispyism. Your making God into some kind of dictator, and saying that Jews have no freewill.
Your saying whatever happens...all jews are gonna repent, regardless of what they wanna do...and will therefore be saved.
So all you non-predestination fellas who think you can lose your salvation....
QUICK....CONVERT TO JUDAISM...LOLZ!!!!
Then you'll be guaranteed of aquiring eternal life by way of 'Salvation by jewish prophecy'.
What are you waiting for??? lol...
...get to your nearest synagogue IMMEDIATELY!!!
And you say JEWS ARE PART OF ISRAEL.
So basically you are saying all Jews will be saved. Done deal. No matter what.
I mean...this is like hyper-dispyism. Your making God into some kind of dictator, and saying that Jews have no freewill.
Your saying whatever happens...all jews are gonna repent, regardless of what they wanna do...and will therefore be saved.
So all you non-predestination fellas who think you can lose your salvation....
QUICK....CONVERT TO JUDAISM...LOLZ!!!!
Then you'll be guaranteed of aquiring eternal life by way of 'Salvation by jewish prophecy'.
What are you waiting for??? lol...
...get to your nearest synagogue IMMEDIATELY!!!
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I rest my case?? So anyone that reads this does not think Strangelove has not taken to making personal attacks??
He does not care what I believe. he has already proven that.
he wants to debate. but how can one debate when you do not know what the other believes.
i tell ya abiding.. lets see how honest you are. are you ready to rebuke strangle for his attacks. or is it just me??
I mean unclfester rebuked red. and I agreed with the rebuke. Are people afraid to say a word aginst stranglelove? does he hold that much power over everyone?
He does not care what I believe. he has already proven that.
he wants to debate. but how can one debate when you do not know what the other believes.
i tell ya abiding.. lets see how honest you are. are you ready to rebuke strangle for his attacks. or is it just me??
I mean unclfester rebuked red. and I agreed with the rebuke. Are people afraid to say a word aginst stranglelove? does he hold that much power over everyone?
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i think He was bound but during the mass slaughter of the 2 world wars the pit was opened and now he works with the signs and wonders and prosperity is but a word away crowd. (they like to call it the latter rain) you know so that it might deceive even the elect if possible....
I'm mid trib leaning towards amillennial. lol though I didn't know the meaning of the terms till recently
I believe rapture and resurrection will occur after some tribulation but before Ammagedeon and the final out pouring of God's wrath and complete destruction of the Earth and creation of new Earth and new Jerealselum.
I'm mid trib leaning towards amillennial. lol though I didn't know the meaning of the terms till recently
I believe rapture and resurrection will occur after some tribulation but before Ammagedeon and the final out pouring of God's wrath and complete destruction of the Earth and creation of new Earth and new Jerealselum.
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nah, ignoring him would probably annoy him more. it does the kids I hung around that acted like him and my kids hate it when I ignore them but until they speak respectfully I just send them to their room. Don't see the point in rebuking him, sometimes negative attention is still attention and that is all some people want.
yes Doc that was a backhanded jab, I figure since you remind me of Zone I might as well treat you like I do her lol at least I haven't alluded to the idea that you two (doc and EG) might be in love or something...that's what had her annoyed with me last time....
i'm thinking this might not do anything but add fuel to the fire.... mmm, sometimes its nice to watch things burn, maybe it will cauterize the wound?
ok earthquakes? sun darkening? resurrection of the dead?
it happened when Jesus was cruxified and rose again....
Matthew 27:50-54
New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
like I said how do you know Rev 6 has not been fulfilled?
yes Doc that was a backhanded jab, I figure since you remind me of Zone I might as well treat you like I do her
lol at least I haven't alluded to the idea that you two (doc and EG) might be in love or something...that's what had her annoyed with me last time....i'm thinking this might not do anything but add fuel to the fire.... mmm, sometimes its nice to watch things burn, maybe it will cauterize the wound?
ok earthquakes? sun darkening? resurrection of the dead?
it happened when Jesus was cruxified and rose again....
Matthew 27:50-54
New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
like I said how do you know Rev 6 has not been fulfilled?
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Matt 24 they ask Jesus 3 questions one of which is about the destruction of the temple He talked about in verses 1 and 2. therefore which verses answer that question about the destruction of the temple?
I say 15 -22 verses describe for them what to expect and how to react.
what are you thoughts?
have to read the rest of the post but just wanted to ask that one real quick...
I say 15 -22 verses describe for them what to expect and how to react.
what are you thoughts?
have to read the rest of the post but just wanted to ask that one real quick...
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try one more time
section one answers question 3 of the disciples: When does the age end and what signs to watch.
we agree on the second part about the temple, that is the ONLY thing fulfilled 70 AD. (which by the way you just agreed that the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled at the destruction of the temple)
Jesus saves all flesh now so I don't see the point, but it talks about the end times and after the Son of perdition is revealed who is NOT the Abomination as mentioned earlier...
the immediacy is that God's timeline is not ours and our lives are but a grain of sand but God loves us even though we are but a blink in the landscape of time.
you keep wanting to blend all three answers into one event. that's why my responses don't make any sense to you.
3 separate events answering three different questions.
want to discuss them one at a time or keep being confused about which one we are even discussing?
1. end of age
2.destruction of temple
3. return of Christ
section one answers question 3 of the disciples: When does the age end and what signs to watch.
we agree on the second part about the temple, that is the ONLY thing fulfilled 70 AD. (which by the way you just agreed that the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled at the destruction of the temple)
Jesus saves all flesh now so I don't see the point, but it talks about the end times and after the Son of perdition is revealed who is NOT the Abomination as mentioned earlier...
the immediacy is that God's timeline is not ours and our lives are but a grain of sand but God loves us even though we are but a blink in the landscape of time.
you keep wanting to blend all three answers into one event. that's why my responses don't make any sense to you.
3 separate events answering three different questions.
want to discuss them one at a time or keep being confused about which one we are even discussing?
1. end of age
2.destruction of temple
3. return of Christ
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12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
ok seriously, I personally would not down play the suffering of the world to prove my own estachological position but I guess that is your choice...
..i have to go soon but let me post a few scriptures that you might want to reexamine:
Matthew 27:50-54
New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
Luke 10
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather[f] rejoice because your names are written in heaven.
Revelation 12:9-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Angels are referred to as Stars in Revelations....anyways. I've got to go I'll catch up on this discussion when I get a chance. probably not till Monday.
hope everyone has a blessed weekend.
13) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
ok seriously, I personally would not down play the suffering of the world to prove my own estachological position but I guess that is your choice...
..i have to go soon but let me post a few scriptures that you might want to reexamine:
Matthew 27:50-54
New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
Luke 10
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather[f] rejoice because your names are written in heaven.
Revelation 12:9-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Angels are referred to as Stars in Revelations....anyways. I've got to go I'll catch up on this discussion when I get a chance.
probably not till Monday.hope everyone has a blessed weekend.
I believe the topic changed completely between verses 2 and 3. Verses 3 and following concern the end times, not the destruction of the temple. I could be wrong.
Verse 7, for example, I believe is referring to things that will happen in Revelation, not at the destruction of the temple.
You have given me something to check more in to, Ananda.
Verse 7, for example, I believe is referring to things that will happen in Revelation, not at the destruction of the temple.
You have given me something to check more in to, Ananda.
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yeah it talks about how God will always have a remnant of faithful people and not allow all of them to be killed
but the whole save the whole world idea is so much more cozy. eeehhh? forget the fact God will give glorified bodies upon His return and other pesky details about the goat and the sheep, the tares and the wheat, etc.
but the whole save the whole world idea is so much more cozy. eeehhh? forget the fact God will give glorified bodies upon His return and other pesky details about the goat and the sheep, the tares and the wheat, etc.