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Oh, I didn't question whether he died, because "if Christ is not risen, [my] faith is in vain."
That said, I questioned whether Jesus Himself rise himself from the dead.
Jesus forgave sin, which only God can do.
Mark 2: 6-11
But some of the scribes were sitting there and thinking in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like this? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
At once Jesus knew in His spirit that they were thinking this way within themselves. “Why are you thinking these things in your hearts?” He asked. “Which is easier: to say to a paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, pick up your mat, and walk’? But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...” He said to the paralytic, “I tell you, get up, pick up your mat, and go home.”
Psalm 103: 2 & 3
Bless the LORD, O my soul, and do not forget all His kind deeds— He who forgives all your iniquities and heals all your diseases.......
John 8:
57Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?”
58“Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
59At this, they picked up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus was hidden and went out of the temple area.
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
These are not names but titles, and the name is singular.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
The name of the Father is Jesus.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Jews were told to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and the promise was to those afar off.
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Samaritans were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Gentiles were baptized in the name of the Lord who is Jesus.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Gentiles that were baptized with John's baptism were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Everything we do in word or deed we do in the name of Jesus so why would we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
This cannot be denied because scriptures declare it.
If there is a trinity they would all have the name Jesus but I believe in one God with no distinction of persons.
There is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Not 3 persons in one God but the 3 relationships He has with His children designated by titles.
Father- Creator and parent of the saints.
Son- God's visible relationship to the saints.
Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints.
Adam created in the image of God.
In the New Testament Adam created in the figure of Christ.
The image of God is the image of Christ.
God had the plan to come in the future in flesh and created Adam in that image an innocent nature in flesh.
So the let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.
I believe it is not speaking of a trinity but the Father, and the Son, the man Christ Jesus.
A prophetic statement to the coming of Jesus.
Jesus is at the right hand of God.
God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.
Jesus said all power is given to Him in heaven and earth.
There is one God, and one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus.
David said the LORD said unto my Lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.
For the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father that He may be all in all.
There is one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
I believe that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power because He is the mediator, until His enemies are conquered, and then He will submit to God that He may be all in all.
I believe that is the interpretation of right hand here.
I believe the only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which He told Philip if you have seen me you have seen the Father.
It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity that they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and it became their foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.
The pagan religions have a trinity so they do too.
The pagan religions have a female deity so Mary is the Queen of heaven.
And the practices they do that are not required when the Bible says love is the fulfilling of the law.
These are not names but titles, and the name is singular.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
The name of the Father is Jesus.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Jews were told to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and the promise was to those afar off.
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Samaritans were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Gentiles were baptized in the name of the Lord who is Jesus.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Gentiles that were baptized with John's baptism were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Everything we do in word or deed we do in the name of Jesus so why would we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
This cannot be denied because scriptures declare it.
If there is a trinity they would all have the name Jesus but I believe in one God with no distinction of persons.
There is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Not 3 persons in one God but the 3 relationships He has with His children designated by titles.
Father- Creator and parent of the saints.
Son- God's visible relationship to the saints.
Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints.
Adam created in the image of God.
In the New Testament Adam created in the figure of Christ.
The image of God is the image of Christ.
God had the plan to come in the future in flesh and created Adam in that image an innocent nature in flesh.
So the let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.
I believe it is not speaking of a trinity but the Father, and the Son, the man Christ Jesus.
A prophetic statement to the coming of Jesus.
Jesus is at the right hand of God.
God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.
Jesus said all power is given to Him in heaven and earth.
There is one God, and one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus.
David said the LORD said unto my Lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.
For the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father that He may be all in all.
There is one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
I believe that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power because He is the mediator, until His enemies are conquered, and then He will submit to God that He may be all in all.
I believe that is the interpretation of right hand here.
I believe the only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which He told Philip if you have seen me you have seen the Father.
It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity that they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and it became their foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.
The pagan religions have a trinity so they do too.
The pagan religions have a female deity so Mary is the Queen of heaven.
And the practices they do that are not required when the Bible says love is the fulfilling of the law.
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The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were all involved in the resurrection of Christ. There are verses pertaing to all three.
But did Christ say this? Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up...But he spake of the temple of his body.
Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. (John 2:18-22)
Okay, let's examine some of our Lord’s statements on this to see if they can be harmonized. In Matthew 17:22, 23, Jesus said, speaking of his approaching death: “The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again.” (See also Luke 9:22; Matt. 16:21.) The angels quoted our Lord’s words to the women who witnessed his resurrection, saying: "He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’ And they remembered His words." (Luke 24:6-8). These verses fit in with the Bible's testimony that God raised Jesus on the third day.
However, in John 2:19, Jesus said, in response to the Jews’ request for a sign from him: “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” John quotes Jesus and then gives the proper understanding of Jesus’ words. He says, “But he spoke of the temple of his body” (John 2:21). Here John is suggesting what Paul confirms: “For as the body is one, and has many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body. . . . Now you are the body of Christ, and members in particular” (1 Cor. 12:12, 13, 27). Further insight is provided in 2 Cor. 4:14, which reads: “Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by [with, through] Jesus, and shall present us with you.” In John 6:44 we read a similar thought: “No man can come to me, except the Father . . . draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” This shows that God’s power would not be exercised independently but through Jesus in the resurrection of the Body of Christ.
It's Jesus who will take an active role in raising his Church from the dead. John shows in 14:2, 3 when that will be. He says: “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there you may be also.” So it's at Jesus’ second advent that his faithful followers will be rewarded. Other Bible texts detail the timing of the Church’s resurrection. Peter declares that “One day is with the Lord as a thousand years” (2 Pet. 3:8). If we divide the time from man’s creation into one-thousand year days, Jesus was crucified and resurrected on the fifth (thousand year) day. If he returns in three days to raise his body members, counting inclusively from the fifth day, we arrive at the seventh (thousand year) day, which is the grand Millennial Day of blessing.
Now, let's examine John 2:19—“In three days I will raise it up”— from another standpoint. The disciples had come to regard Jesus’ death and resurrection as a precursor of their own resurrection. They remembered his promise: “Because I live, you shall live also” (John 14:19). Hence, we read: “When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said” (John 2:22). We need to remember that before Pentecost, Jesus’ disciples did not entertain a heavenly hope. The last thing they asked our risen Lord before he ascended was: “Lord, will you at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6). Subsequently, they came to realize they were to be a part of the body of Christ and that God would “raise up us also by Jesus” (2 Cor. 4:14). That is what they remembered Jesus’ words to mean.
This verse says more than what you have stated. It is more than Jesus simply stating that He has a God. He states that He is going to return to the Father..."to my God, and your God."
Jesus is God in the flesh. The flesh is was created. It was made and knit together I the womb of Mary. God did this. This means that when the flesh ascended to God the Father it returned to the maker of the flesh. It returned to God.
Jesus was the first to raise from the dead and return to the Creator God. He is the first fruits. He paved the way and leads by example.
However, while Jesus did this on the flesh, He also did this as God. This is where man begins to have difficulty understanding.
Jesus is man and as such obeys God and all His ways. Jesus is also God and has all the power and authority of God.
The actual Scriptures REFUTE everything you just said. Please read this again: When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Does that speak of the Church -- the Body of Christ -- or does that refer to Him rising from the dead? You are so thoroughly confused that yo cannot see the obvious.
God as the Trinity is a Mystery; he is three Persons in one God. There are no earthly comparisons, because God is God and we're not.
"Well think about it. If in deed Jesus is just the son of God, like some say. In this case, if we worship only the son would we not be disrespecting the Father? "
You first must define "Worship." In the Tanach (OT) you are ONLY to worship God, but the Jews also "worshipped" Saul. This worship however was as worship of a man & king of Israel, but not as God. This also applies to Y'shua (Jesus) as he was a "Man," by his own profession (Son of Man & not even an earthly King when asked concerning it, nor equal to God when charged by the Jews of this).
Your statement of Jn 20:17 is Correct. God has no God! throughout the Completed Codex (NT) he makes it very clear with many distinctions that he is NOT God! The Greeks & Romans of the early NT era however wanted a pantheon similar to what they had known & as the took over control of the church they forced their way upon it. This was the very thing God had been fighting against from the time of Moses.
Jn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
God did NOT send Himself! He sent another as God is the ONLY TRUE GOD! (Deut 6:4, Mal 2:10, Gal 3:20)
Lev 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
Only a MAN could repay the debt of the blemish caused to all of mankind when Adam spiritually died, thus God created another "Man" in a manner similar to how He created Adam. He "Spoke" (the word made flesh) through Gabriel to Mary (Lk 1:26-36) & when Mary accepted God's word God's spirit joined in her "Dirt or dust of the earth" by which all mankind is created to form a "Second Adam"; a.k.a. Y'shua.
God CANNOT die or cease to exist, therefore He had to create another Man to repay the Blemish caused to all mankind. Had God died, then there would not be any means for Y'shua to be raised from the dead & death's sting would have continued & there would be no victory.
It must also be pointed out ... Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
God cannot mediate between Himself & mankind. There must be another to mediate.
Y'shua was "Created" or Begotten by God through Mary to pay for the sin of mankind passed through Adam; to purchase mankind back from satan or from sin & this he did upon the cross. Because of this, when one becomes "Born Again" they become just like Y'shua was when he was born of Mary with the spirit (Presence) of God within them.
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You first must define "Worship." In the Tanach (OT) you are ONLY to worship God, but the Jews also "worshipped" Saul. This worship however was as worship of a man & king of Israel, but not as God. This also applies to Y'shua (Jesus) as he was a "Man," by his own profession (Son of Man & not even an earthly King when asked concerning it, nor equal to God when charged by the Jews of this).
Your statement of Jn 20:17 is Correct. God has no God! throughout the Completed Codex (NT) he makes it very clear with many distinctions that he is NOT God! The Greeks & Romans of the early NT era however wanted a pantheon similar to what they had known & as the took over control of the church they forced their way upon it. This was the very thing God had been fighting against from the time of Moses.
Jn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
God did NOT send Himself! He sent another as God is the ONLY TRUE GOD! (Deut 6:4, Mal 2:10, Gal 3:20)
Lev 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
Only a MAN could repay the debt of the blemish caused to all of mankind when Adam spiritually died, thus God created another "Man" in a manner similar to how He created Adam. He "Spoke" (the word made flesh) through Gabriel to Mary (Lk 1:26-36) & when Mary accepted God's word God's spirit joined in her "Dirt or dust of the earth" by which all mankind is created to form a "Second Adam"; a.k.a. Y'shua.
God CANNOT die or cease to exist, therefore He had to create another Man to repay the Blemish caused to all mankind. Had God died, then there would not be any means for Y'shua to be raised from the dead & death's sting would have continued & there would be no victory.
It must also be pointed out ... Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
God cannot mediate between Himself & mankind. There must be another to mediate.
Y'shua was "Created" or Begotten by God through Mary to pay for the sin of mankind passed through Adam; to purchase mankind back from satan or from sin & this he did upon the cross. Because of this, when one becomes "Born Again" they become just like Y'shua was when he was born of Mary with the spirit (Presence) of God within them.
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The problem with this quote or most if maybe even all such quotes is that the authority or power by which Y'shua (Jesus) operated was acquired authority or power. It was not inherent within him because he was omnipotent, but because it was "GIVEN" to him by his superior; by God.
Jn 5:26-27 KJV
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Mt 9:8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.
Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Jn 17:2-3 KJV
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
In this last passage we also see how Y'shua compared to the Centurion as they were both "SENT" by their Superior or sent others to do things. One who is "SENT" by another is not equal to the one who is doing the sending or commanding, if you prefer.
Take note as well in Jn 17:3 Y'shua declares that there is ONLY (one) TRUE GOD & that it was HE who "SENT" him (Y'shua) & is thereby declaring in his own words that he (Y'shua) is NOT Him!
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name (a.k.a. Authority) of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him (Y'shua).
This was written by Paul after he had stated ...
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 3:17, then is offered to illustrate that Y'shua is NOT God but is merely the Temple wherein God was inhabiting. It also serves as an example of how He would indwell every believer through or because of their individual faith in that which Y'shua provided as His (God's) Eternal Paschal (Passover) Sacrifice.
Another, yet very different example can be found in 1 Cor 15:19 where we read . . . If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. "IF" Y'shua were God, then hope in him would be sufficient to eternal life, but here Paul is illustrating that Y'shua had need of God to raise him from the dead; that he alone could NOT raise himself or conquer death (the power of satan) & to prove the promises he had made toward eternal life & the resurrection of the dead.
Following this verse Paul goes on to explain how eventually, Y'shua will surrender the "Authority" which has been "Given" to him from God, back to God once again. Paul explains how he (Y'shua) will rule Until Death (the power of satan) is defeated & then he (Y'shua) will submit himself back to God.
1 Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
It is through the Same Authority, through the authority given to Y'shua (in his name), that we as his body are supposed to be doing the work of God! It is by this power (the holy spirit) that we are supposed to be healing (reconciling) the people of the world to God
[insert Casting Crown's song, If We Are The Body].
This was written by Paul after he had stated ...
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 3:17, then is offered to illustrate that Y'shua is NOT God but is merely the Temple wherein God was inhabiting. It also serves as an example of how He would indwell every believer through or because of their individual faith in that which Y'shua provided as His (God's) Eternal Paschal (Passover) Sacrifice.
Another, yet very different example can be found in 1 Cor 15:19 where we read . . . If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. "IF" Y'shua were God, then hope in him would be sufficient to eternal life, but here Paul is illustrating that Y'shua had need of God to raise him from the dead; that he alone could NOT raise himself or conquer death (the power of satan) & to prove the promises he had made toward eternal life & the resurrection of the dead.
Following this verse Paul goes on to explain how eventually, Y'shua will surrender the "Authority" which has been "Given" to him from God, back to God once again. Paul explains how he (Y'shua) will rule Until Death (the power of satan) is defeated & then he (Y'shua) will submit himself back to God.
1 Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
It is through the Same Authority, through the authority given to Y'shua (in his name), that we as his body are supposed to be doing the work of God! It is by this power (the holy spirit) that we are supposed to be healing (reconciling) the people of the world to God
[insert Casting Crown's song, If We Are The Body].
Do you accept that the epistles are God's word? If you do, I will respond to your points. If you do not, then you are a heretic and I will say no more.
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