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Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
1 Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Y'shua cannot be between God & man if he is God too.
Num 35:30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.
Because of this statute set forth by God, Y'shua had to be fully a man for Death to eventually be defeated completely . . .
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
One is One, not three. Three gods is polytheism. It is exactly the sort of issue Moses dealt with after leaving Egypt. The Jews took the gods of their fathers, which they acquired while living in slavery (physically & spiritually). Because of this Joshua states . . .
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
At the Council of Nicaea Y'shua was "MADE" God by the Greeks & Romans which had taken control of the Church of God & they brought with them a desire for Polytheism. 56 years later they added another god which they called the holy spirit, but from the foundation of The Scriptures this spirit was God's breath, His presence or His power being manifest & not ANYTHING separated from Him. This Completed Codex (NT) god too was a manifestation of Polytheism in action.
God is NOT three, He is One!
Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one.
1 Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Y'shua cannot be between God & man if he is God too.
Num 35:30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.
Because of this statute set forth by God, Y'shua had to be fully a man for Death to eventually be defeated completely . . .
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
One is One, not three. Three gods is polytheism. It is exactly the sort of issue Moses dealt with after leaving Egypt. The Jews took the gods of their fathers, which they acquired while living in slavery (physically & spiritually). Because of this Joshua states . . .
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
At the Council of Nicaea Y'shua was "MADE" God by the Greeks & Romans which had taken control of the Church of God & they brought with them a desire for Polytheism. 56 years later they added another god which they called the holy spirit, but from the foundation of The Scriptures this spirit was God's breath, His presence or His power being manifest & not ANYTHING separated from Him. This Completed Codex (NT) god too was a manifestation of Polytheism in action.
God is NOT three, He is One!
Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one.
No he did not! They claimed he was equal to God.
Jn 10:34-38 KJV 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
One cannot "Send" himself, he just goes. Y'shua shows that he is NOT THE MOST HIGH as he is under the authority of another; of God The Most High. This is most perfectly illustrated in . . .
1 Cor 15:27-28 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Jn 10:34-38 KJV 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
One cannot "Send" himself, he just goes. Y'shua shows that he is NOT THE MOST HIGH as he is under the authority of another; of God The Most High. This is most perfectly illustrated in . . .
1 Cor 15:27-28 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
"Image" not Him! Adam was also made in God's image, but he was not God. You & I are made in His image, but we are not God! Y'shua stated that he was the "DOOR." He is the way to GOD, not actually God. There is no other "WAY or DOOR" by which we must go through to get into the presence of God. He is not The Most High but is subservient to The Most High. If he has a Superior who sends him or to whom he serves or gains his authority from, then he is NOT The Most High, but something or someone actually of lesser status & this The Scriptures clearly declared.
Jesus' Words in John 8:23b plus 24b
1 John 5:10-11
Jn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Then as your other quote meme, (which I hate as posts) states in 1 Jn 5:10, Y'shua is the son, not God the Father!
John also wrote, Jn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
If Y'shua CLEARLY SAYS that God is his Father & his God, then he is NOT the Father or God!
Nobody can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit of God.
Just a heads up here fyi: denying the Deity of Jesus is not tolerated here.
If you continue in it you will most likely find yourself ousted.
Please see this thread (<= link).
Just a heads up here fyi: denying the Deity of Jesus is not tolerated here.
If you continue in it you will most likely find yourself ousted.
Please see this thread (<= link).
Isa 6 & 9 are prophecies of a forth coming Messiah, but the Messiah had to be a man not GOD! God cannot pay the debt for the death of a man. Only a man can repay that which is done to man Lev 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
Let's look at Isa 9 however in the Original Text & not the Christian perversion of said text . . .
Isa 9:5 (6 in christian) For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
Notice that he being spoken of (Y'shua) is NOT God as the christian text all make him out to be. "Peace" in Hebrew is Shalom. It's meaning includes being in Completeness with God. Thus Y'shua brings us into Completeness by fulfilling The Scriptures. This "Completeness" is our restoration to our position before the fall of mankind. Y'shua is the "Way or Door" by which we enter into this "Peace" with God & not God himself. If Y'shua is not a man & subservient to God then he cannot be the "ONLY Way" to God & he cannot submit himself to God or he would be said to be submitting himself to himself.
1 Cor 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
We simply cannot gloss over his position of submission to The Most High. If he submits to The Most High then he cannot be The Most High. There is No Way Around this without lying!
Let's look at Isa 9 however in the Original Text & not the Christian perversion of said text . . .
Isa 9:5 (6 in christian) For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
Notice that he being spoken of (Y'shua) is NOT God as the christian text all make him out to be. "Peace" in Hebrew is Shalom. It's meaning includes being in Completeness with God. Thus Y'shua brings us into Completeness by fulfilling The Scriptures. This "Completeness" is our restoration to our position before the fall of mankind. Y'shua is the "Way or Door" by which we enter into this "Peace" with God & not God himself. If Y'shua is not a man & subservient to God then he cannot be the "ONLY Way" to God & he cannot submit himself to God or he would be said to be submitting himself to himself.
1 Cor 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
We simply cannot gloss over his position of submission to The Most High. If he submits to The Most High then he cannot be The Most High. There is No Way Around this without lying!
This is what I was expecting! Intolerance of any opinion other than that which conforms to Catholicism as set forth At the Council of Nicaea & Constantinople. I AM A CHRISTIAN, as I do accept that Y'shua is the Messiah. What I find in most places however, is that most Christians do not know or believe that which The Scriptures state & cannot tolerate being challenged to believe as God as always stated, The He is One & there is None other than He. If you cannot stand the truth then delete my account just as the Jews deleted the account of Y'shua!
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Who is sitting on the throne in Isaiah 6?
And how would a man know that he had made amends for every breach? And what can a man do to answer for the righteousness owed to God in place of the breach? And if a man can settle his own debts, why does he need Messiah? What is the purpose of Messiah suffering?
And how would a man know that he had made amends for every breach? And what can a man do to answer for the righteousness owed to God in place of the breach? And if a man can settle his own debts, why does he need Messiah? What is the purpose of Messiah suffering?
Catholicism, yep! The early church fathers who created the myth of the trinity are what were the foundation of Catholicism, but you ignore the real issue. Christianity is told to Go into the World & spread the gospel not to create walls to insulate itself from discussion & debate. I have use verse after verse to PROVE my position & I have done so without having twisted them in anyway, yet I am the one placed to defend myself to a system which is NOT in The Scriptures; the trinity system. Show me anywhere that I am wrong in what I have stated! Not because you simply don't believe it, but because The Scriptures declare it. Anything you have stated I have shown to be, shall we say, shortsighted. It is not that you are not declaring The Scripture, but that you have been instructed in a less-than Scritpturally full version. I was like you for almost 50 years. I graduated with doctorates - 3; I taught, sang & preached it until I finally threw it up! God fought with the Jews to prove that He was one & then after the Apostles dies, Christians went back to their polytheistic heritage.
If you can't handle the Truth . . .
Jn 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Y'shua rules as king of the Kingdom of God, as GIVEN to him by God, his Father & ours, until everything is submitted unto him, death being the last thing to submit & then he will submit himself back unto God , as well as this kingdom with you & I within it (1 Cor 15:27-28), but if you don't believe The Scriptures, then again I say go ahead & delete my account. It is after all your website & not mine, but you cannot honestly state that I have said anything which The Scriptures do not declare as "Truth!"
If you can't handle the Truth . . .
Jn 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Y'shua rules as king of the Kingdom of God, as GIVEN to him by God, his Father & ours, until everything is submitted unto him, death being the last thing to submit & then he will submit himself back unto God , as well as this kingdom with you & I within it (1 Cor 15:27-28), but if you don't believe The Scriptures, then again I say go ahead & delete my account. It is after all your website & not mine, but you cannot honestly state that I have said anything which The Scriptures do not declare as "Truth!"
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Messiah does not, nor does any man have to "Know" that he has atoned for every breach done unto man. The Only breach which had to be repaid by Messiah was that of Death as it was the ultimate breach/penalty for sin. You repay the max & you have covered the cost of it all.
Adam & Eve sinned by partaking of the Tree of Good & Evil. Y'shua was created sinless by God as His presence entered into Mary to Create Y'shua rather than by passing the bloodline of sin from Joseph. The child then born of Mary was sinless & remained that way by following the directions, the life which his Father had prescribed for him. He then was nailed on the symbolic Tree of Good & Evil & the sins of mankind were transferred upon him even though he had done nothing of his own accord to warrant such treatment. In this act he became the Eternal Paschal (Passover) Lamb of God offered for the sins (all of the sins) of mankind. By perfectly following His directions, he was then rewarded to sit at His right hand. He did not occupy the throne AS God or in the same location, but to God's right side. If Y'shua had actually been God, then he would have simply taken his position As God. Thus what Isaiah saw in a vision is reflective of a situation, but not necessarily the Actual situation. However, without that distinction we see that one lord is a vision of Adonay while the other is YHVH or Yehovah which are being addressed.
Adam & Eve sinned by partaking of the Tree of Good & Evil. Y'shua was created sinless by God as His presence entered into Mary to Create Y'shua rather than by passing the bloodline of sin from Joseph. The child then born of Mary was sinless & remained that way by following the directions, the life which his Father had prescribed for him. He then was nailed on the symbolic Tree of Good & Evil & the sins of mankind were transferred upon him even though he had done nothing of his own accord to warrant such treatment. In this act he became the Eternal Paschal (Passover) Lamb of God offered for the sins (all of the sins) of mankind. By perfectly following His directions, he was then rewarded to sit at His right hand. He did not occupy the throne AS God or in the same location, but to God's right side. If Y'shua had actually been God, then he would have simply taken his position As God. Thus what Isaiah saw in a vision is reflective of a situation, but not necessarily the Actual situation. However, without that distinction we see that one lord is a vision of Adonay while the other is YHVH or Yehovah which are being addressed.