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I do what the Lord Jesus shows me to do. The 10 commandments came through Moses. If the Law could save anyone, Jesus died for nothing. The Christian life is a life of obedience and faith. But not faith in the Law or obedience to a few commandments.
Romans 8:14:
"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." It does not say, all who are led by God's law.

The argument that all 613 of the commandments are ceremonial is simply false. Some were for health reasons. According to the Law, if you have a contagious disease, you need to burn your house down. You should not eat pork, many kinds of fish, shellfish and such. Yet Peter was instructed to eat "unclean" foods in violation of God's law. It is up to God what we can and should not do.

I was saved while I was in the military. On the one hand, apparently I should not have reported for duty on Saturdays. Except I'd be letting down colleagues and risking their lives. Not much of a witness, I suspect.

The folly of legalism is that the Christian life is far harder than obedience to the Law. Following a set of rules is simple and requires no faith. Following the leading of the Spirit requires faith and ears to hear what the Spirit is saying.
There was a Seventy-day Adventist named Desmond Doss who won the medal of honor in his role as a medic. It is an interesting story.
 

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will you say that in order to know what sin is, you need to understand the law.

i agree that knowing the Law will not set anyone free from the power of sin.
Jesus is the only way.
But how do we confess our sins if we don't know what sin is.
to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.

nothing about keeping the Sabbath...
 

rrcn

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to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.

nothing about keeping the Sabbath...
There are quite a few verses about the Sabbath:
[Isa 58:13-14 KJV] 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].
 

SabbathBlessing

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to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.

nothing about keeping the Sabbath...
Thats a definition of sin, but its not the only one

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

The Sabbath is one of God's commandments and part of the law of God that did not go away in the NT, it is still a commandment- meaning its a sin to break

Luk2 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

God only gave a name to one day, the seventh day Sabbath, that He claimed as His holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:18 that was made for man Mark 2:27 because we are made in the image and likeness of God to follow Him.

Jesus kept the Sabbath and if we abide in His love, we would also follow His example John 15:10 1 John 2:5-6

We are told if we break one of the commandments of God we break them all quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten James 2:10-12 why Jesus taught not to break the least of these commandments as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30

God knows what's best for us and only wants to bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify His children Eze 20:12, because we cannot do that ourselves, we need God.
 

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Moral law has never but the way/law to fullfil it has changed. Not by the old way of the letter BUT the New way of the Spirit.

Priesthood under the OC change so also the law in which they administer. This includes the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments is also called "the covenant law" which refers to the OC.
Yes, the New Covenant was established on Better Promises Heb 8:6,it still has "God's law" now written in the heart. The location of the Ten Commandments changed, not the law itself, God promises He would not alter His words Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle can pass until Jesus comes in the Clouds because no one is above the Authority of God. Its why in the NC the Sabbath is still a commandment Luke 23:56 and why the apostles also kept holy every Sabbath decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Act 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 a Christian is a follower of Christ- Christ always led by example and He kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16-17 and if we abide in His love we would also keep the commandments and follow in His footsteps 1 Peter 2:21-22 1 John 2:5-6
 

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The Pharisees were admired and respected for their righteous way of life. Yet they hated Lord Jesus. It is possible to be outwardly righteous yet inwardly dead. I'll stick with Jesus, my righteousness, my wisdom, my sanctification and my power. I'll walk in the Spirit and so have the power to overcome the flesh. You keep trying to please God. I died and my life is hidden in Christ with God. I died to the Law, to the world, to self and to sin. I rose with Christ to new life. That suits me just fine.
Was the Pharisees being condemned for keeping the commandments of God, or not keeping them? Jesus condemned them for not keeping and replacing them with their own laws, which is what we do, when we rely on our own version of right and wrong doing and not God's Psa 119:172, and His is everlasting Psa 119:142 our version is as fifthly rags. Isa 64:6


Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (quoting from the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

Following their example Jesus says leads to a ditch- why He taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments as our righteousness must exceed the Pharisees Mat 5:19-20

The path we are on right now is based on our choices. Whoever we obey is who we serve. Sin unto death, obedience to God unto righteousness. We can listen to the noise out these telling us we can break one God's commandments, but Adam and Eve listen to the wrong voice and it didn't work out so well.

Obeying God the way He said through faith and love reconciles

Isa 56:4 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

Rev 22: 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 

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I believe the keeping of the Sabbath is a sign of our loyalty to God. God tests His children, just like He tested Adam and Eve in the Garden. God gave Adam and Eve dominion over the whole world and told them they could eat of every tree in the garden except one. Them choosing to listen to the "other spirit" telling them, if they eat from the tree they would not surely die, the opposite of what God said and that decision is why we have all of the curses we see today.

The Sabbath started at Creation, man was made on the 6th day in the image of God, the Sabbath was made for man and the word Jesus used here means mankind or human beings Mark 2:27 We were made in the image and likeness of God- God kept the Sabbath Exo 20:11 so did Jesus Luke 4:16. The Sabbath was part of God's perfect plan before sin entered and God does not change.

I believe we are entering into end times, and the Sabbath is going to be a huge part of it. There are many people in the news media claiming we need a National Day of Rest and Sunday is the Sabbath.

This is contrary to what God said so plainly. He wrote His commandments with His own finger and spoke them with His own voice and no one has the authority to change anything from God.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

We were warned that this would happen. That God's times and laws would be changed, not by God

Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.

The only law that is both a time and law is the Sabbath.
Law- Sabbath Commanemnt
Time- seventh day
And it was changed just as predicted not by God

Who made this change to God's law?

The Catholic church takes credit for this change saying if one keeps Sunday instead of the Sabbath one is obeying a commandment of the Catholic church and are obeying the authority of the catholic church over the authority of God.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

They claim this change is a mark of their authority

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

In the end we will either have the seal of God or the mark of the beast. Only the beast (which means a government power) the forth beast is a government mixed with clay, so its also a religious power and only the beast can tell us what the mark is. They did. It was changing God's commandment from Sabbath to Sunday based on their authority over God's authority that almost all denominations followed suit.

The mark of the beast is about worship. Jesus said false worship is keeping our rules over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

The Sabbath is a sign that we are God's people and He is our God

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

The Sabbath is the one commandment that brings us back to the God who Created heaven and earth and all that is in them Exo 20:11 and its the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7

We will either have God's seal
Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, Seal the law among my disciples.

Or by default the mark given by the beast

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

The antidote is serving God and having faith in what He said- Jesus told us to live by

Rev 14:12 Here is the [g]patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Whoever we obey is who we serve- sin unto death, obedience unto righteousness Rom 6:16

God is telling His people to come out of our false teachings before its too late. Rev 18:4 Once Jesus comes all decisions will be sealed Rev 22:11
 

rrcn

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I believe the keeping of the Sabbath is a sign of our loyalty to God. God tests His children, just like He tested Adam and Eve in the Garden. God gave Adam and Eve dominion over the whole world and told them they could eat of every tree in the garden except one. Them choosing to listen to the "other spirit" telling them, if they eat from the tree they would not surely die, the opposite of what God said and that decision is why we have all of the curses we see today.

The Sabbath started at Creation, man was made on the 6th day in the image of God, the Sabbath was made for man and the word Jesus used here means mankind or human beings Mark 2:27 We were made in the image and likeness of God- God kept the Sabbath Exo 20:11 so did Jesus Luke 4:16. The Sabbath was part of God's perfect plan before sin entered and God does not change.

I believe we are entering into end times, and the Sabbath is going to be a huge part of it. There are many people in the news media claiming we need a National Day of Rest and Sunday is the Sabbath.

This is contrary to what God said so plainly. He wrote His commandments with His own finger and spoke them with His own voice and no one has the authority to change anything from God.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

We were warned that this would happen. That God's times and laws would be changed, not by God

Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.

The only law that is both a time and law is the Sabbath.
Law- Sabbath Commanemnt
Time- seventh day
And it was changed just as predicted not by God

Who made this change to God's law?

The Catholic church takes credit for this change saying if one keeps Sunday instead of the Sabbath one is obeying a commandment of the Catholic church and are obeying the authority of the catholic church over the authority of God.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

They claim this change is a mark of their authority

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

In the end we will either have the seal of God or the mark of the beast. Only the beast (which means a government power) the forth beast is a government mixed with clay, so its also a religious power and only the beast can tell us what the mark is. They did. It was changing God's commandment from Sabbath to Sunday based on their authority over God's authority that almost all denominations followed suit.

The mark of the beast is about worship. Jesus said false worship is keeping our rules over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

The Sabbath is a sign that we are God's people and He is our God

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

The Sabbath is the one commandment that brings us back to the God who Created heaven and earth and all that is in them Exo 20:11 and its the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7

We will either have God's seal
Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, Seal the law among my disciples.

Or by default the mark given by the beast

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

The antidote is serving God and having faith in what He said- Jesus told us to live by

Rev 14:12 Here is the [g]patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Whoever we obey is who we serve- sin unto death, obedience unto righteousness Rom 6:16

God is telling His people to come out of our false teachings before its too late. Rev 18:4 Once Jesus comes all decisions will be sealed Rev 22:11
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