Loss of salvation???
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I would suggest the question you ask can simply lead to all kinds of fears, doubts, and theological quagmires.
Instead, I think the issue is quite simple: Do you (I) today believe in Jesus Christ as our atoning sacrifice?
Yes = heaven
No = hell
Deep Holy Spirit assurance results from true heart belief in Jesus Christ, not from theological beliefs.
Instead, I think the issue is quite simple: Do you (I) today believe in Jesus Christ as our atoning sacrifice?
Yes = heaven
No = hell
Deep Holy Spirit assurance results from true heart belief in Jesus Christ, not from theological beliefs.
2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV — It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Many have denied that this proves sliding into disbelief does not nullify salvation. The belief that one can lose his salvation is purely rooted in works-based salvation. There is no getting around that. The horrid taint of salvation by works thinking corrupts many a professing believers theology out there. The Greek is all too clear on Paul's meaning. That so many fail to understand these verses only shines a spotlight on the weaknesses of our English translations and/or the lack of critical reading comprehension skills taught by public education.
MM
Many have denied that this proves sliding into disbelief does not nullify salvation. The belief that one can lose his salvation is purely rooted in works-based salvation. There is no getting around that. The horrid taint of salvation by works thinking corrupts many a professing believers theology out there. The Greek is all too clear on Paul's meaning. That so many fail to understand these verses only shines a spotlight on the weaknesses of our English translations and/or the lack of critical reading comprehension skills taught by public education.
MM
So do you believe then that the person who has truly been born again and has believed -- is then able to go back into unbelief, and even outrightly deny God, and (if he wants to) can curse and swear at God, and say that he does not want into God's heaven -- but that in the end God will still take him into heaven?
They may denounce faith at some point.
But that will not undo the faith's effect that took place when he believed in Jesus.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me,
but raise it up on the last day. NIV And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none
of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
John 6:39.
But that will not undo the faith's effect that took place when he believed in Jesus.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me,
but raise it up on the last day. NIV And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none
of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
John 6:39.
I believe that a person can fall away from the Lord.
2 Peter 2:20-22
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away
from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb,
“A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
No doubt you have an interpretation of the quotation above.
2 Peter 2:20-22
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away
from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb,
“A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
No doubt you have an interpretation of the quotation above.