Loss of salvation???
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I would suggest the question you ask can simply lead to all kinds of fears, doubts, and theological quagmires.
Instead, I think the issue is quite simple: Do you (I) today believe in Jesus Christ as our atoning sacrifice?
Yes = heaven
No = hell
Deep Holy Spirit assurance results from true heart belief in Jesus Christ, not from theological beliefs.
Instead, I think the issue is quite simple: Do you (I) today believe in Jesus Christ as our atoning sacrifice?
Yes = heaven
No = hell
Deep Holy Spirit assurance results from true heart belief in Jesus Christ, not from theological beliefs.
2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV — It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Many have denied that this proves sliding into disbelief does not nullify salvation. The belief that one can lose his salvation is purely rooted in works-based salvation. There is no getting around that. The horrid taint of salvation by works thinking corrupts many a professing believers theology out there. The Greek is all too clear on Paul's meaning. That so many fail to understand these verses only shines a spotlight on the weaknesses of our English translations and/or the lack of critical reading comprehension skills taught by public education.
MM
Many have denied that this proves sliding into disbelief does not nullify salvation. The belief that one can lose his salvation is purely rooted in works-based salvation. There is no getting around that. The horrid taint of salvation by works thinking corrupts many a professing believers theology out there. The Greek is all too clear on Paul's meaning. That so many fail to understand these verses only shines a spotlight on the weaknesses of our English translations and/or the lack of critical reading comprehension skills taught by public education.
MM
So do you believe then that the person who has truly been born again and has believed -- is then able to go back into unbelief, and even outrightly deny God, and (if he wants to) can curse and swear at God, and say that he does not want into God's heaven -- but that in the end God will still take him into heaven?
They may denounce faith at some point.
But that will not undo the faith's effect that took place when he believed in Jesus.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me,
but raise it up on the last day. NIV And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none
of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
John 6:39.
But that will not undo the faith's effect that took place when he believed in Jesus.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me,
but raise it up on the last day. NIV And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none
of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
John 6:39.
I believe that a person can fall away from the Lord.
2 Peter 2:20-22
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away
from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb,
“A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
No doubt you have an interpretation of the quotation above.
2 Peter 2:20-22
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away
from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb,
“A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
No doubt you have an interpretation of the quotation above.
Psalms 103:1-22 (NLTSE)
1Let all that I am praise the LORD;
with my whole heart, I will praise his holy name.
2Let all that I am praise the LORD;
may I never forget the good things he does for me.
3He forgives all my sins
and heals all my diseases.
4He redeems me from death
and crowns me with love and tender mercies.
5He fills my life with good things.
My youth is renewed like the eagle's!
6The LORD gives righteousness
and justice to all who are treated unfairly.
7He revealed his character to Moses
and his deeds to the people of Israel.
8The LORD is compassionate and merciful,
slow to get angry and filled with unfailing love.
9He will not constantly accuse us,
nor remain angry forever.
10He does not punish us for all our sins;
he does not deal harshly with us, as we deserve.
11For his unfailing love toward those who fear him
is as great as the height of the heavens above the earth.
12He has removed our sins as far from us
as the east is from the west.
13The LORD is like a father to his children,
tender and compassionate to those who fear him.
14For he knows how weak we are;
he remembers we are only dust.
15Our days on earth are like grass;
like wildflowers, we bloom and die.
16The wind blows, and we are gone–
as though we had never been here.
17But the love of the LORD remains forever
with those who fear him.
His salvation extends to the children's children
18of those who are faithful to his covenant,
of those who obey his commandments!
19The LORD has made the heavens his throne;
from there he rules over everything.
20Praise the LORD, you angels,
you mighty ones who carry out his plans,
listening for each of his commands.
21Yes, praise the LORD, you armies of angels
who serve him and do his will!
22Praise the LORD, everything he has created,
everything in all his kingdom.
Let all that I am praise the LORD.