Exactly !! He/She had almost made "friends" in the news forum until I brought up the subject of RT and Israel. Now they cheer anyone they think is against me. One person they didn't even know what the person believed and had to ask them. And that's an annoying thing that happens here at CC. They have a little gang following then people don't want to speak up to them. But as I said, it's the new ones coming in here and reading this false theology and start believing it is true. That is why I have stood against it since I've been here, a long, long time before HeIsHere showed up.
Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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Exactly !! He/She had almost made "friends" in the news forum until I brought up the subject of RT and Israel. Now they cheer anyone they think is against me. One person they didn't even know what the person believed and had to ask them. And that's an annoying thing that happens here at CC. They have a little gang following then people don't want to speak up to them. But as I said, it's the new ones coming in here and reading this false theology and start believing it is true. That is why I have stood against it since I've been here, a long, long time before HeIsHere showed up.
Do you think Enoch had no sin?
Wasn't he born of flesh?
Nt and ot is same doctrine, nt can explain ot, vice verser.
Why in ot they sacrifice lamb and ox?
It helps to pray for the protection of the Jews. That's what I do - it's just not visible. I think that's what other people do if they don't speak against these Jew haters.
Also keep in mind that no matter how these Jew haters rant and rave against them that God has it all in control. He will end their ranting and raving against Jews sooner or later. The Jews won't be replaced, but the Jewish believers will be gathered into the fold along with the Gentile believers.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, the future from what is past. I say what will be done, and it is brought about; I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'"
— Isaiah 46:9–11 (NIV)
The Jew haters and satan won't win this no matter how many people are amassed against the Jews.
I think God does want you to keep standing up for the Jew, it's just that not everyone else is called to that. But know that there are people praying for the Jews' protection and that God is doing just that and also for you as well!
“Do you think Enoch had no sin?”
i didn’t say either way what I said was there’s no indication on any way that I have ever seen that he or any Old Testament person needed to or would be “ born again “ because it’s an an entirely New Testament promise and concept .
“Wasn't he born of flesh?”
Yes every human being has a body of flesh …. And a living spirit . the body dies the spirit returns to god for judgement. This was true from Adam forward but still there’s absolutely no means or doctrine for any of them to be “ born again “ again , I’m open to that scripture or biblical doctrine but haven’t ever myself seen it
“Nt and ot is same doctrine,”
this is misunderstood they aren’t the same doctrine one foretells the other and the latter fulfills those prophetic points within the first the doctrine is contrary
Eye for an eye v turn the other cheek
Freely divorce and remarry if you’re not happy v there’s no reason to divorce and remarry but for adultery. Shew no mercy no pity for the offender v be merciful , forgive , don’t retaliate evil for evil or wound for wound or stripe for stripe …. Contrary doctrine with different ordinations and mediators same God two covenants
But again I’m always open to actual biblical statements in scripture .
In the ot they weren’t baptized into Christ they were baptized into Moses . Under a different covenant . Surely Moses spoke and wrote of Christ many figures like the brazen serpent but the brazen serpent was under the old covenant and when they looked upon it the thing moses had made they lived when they should have died being bitten
This didn’t include them in Christ or atone for thoer sins like jesus death it just was for the time them present a figure , found in thier first covenant of the second to come later
One was made with israel specifically and was broken and became the curse it warned of. The other was promised to them after this happened after they had broken it and lost hope he gave them promises of a new covenant not according to the old which they broke
there are many things in the law to witness of Christ to come later but thier cofenant eas very effective at the time it was present and meant the things it said
Like the day of atonement . It’s not as if the things they performed didn’t work , it was thier behavior of sin and rebellion that causes the defilement and made it ineffective. They had a complete covenant with a mediator a high priest a preisthood a sanctuary a chosen people ect ect
there’s a new one now. The new is where one can be and needs to be born again. I’ve never read a sentance about being born again in the old bit that doesn’t mean it’s not there my friend or that I’m not wrong about it.
just my opinion based on what I’ve read in scripture nothing more
They could have the kingdom this way that’s stated in thier covenant
old covenant
“Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.”
Exodus 19:5-6 KJV
then later a promise after it’s broken
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
Jeremiah 31:31-32
There are two distinct covenant words those of Moses for Israel’s tribes beforehand and those of Christ Jesus for all humanity
New covenant not according to the old
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
John 3:3, 5
The argument was about ot saints being born again . I wasn’t clear how this was an argument that proves they were all born again in the ot …..but totally agree with the scriptures from John and point there he is from everlasting to everlasting the beginning and end first and the last
“And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.”
Genesis 3:8 KJV
But …..he’s hidden by god purposefully in the old covenant until the right time of the new.
“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;
which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Nevertheless when it ( thier heart) shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
2 Corinthians 3:13-16, 18
None of theee things were in the old covenant it was actually veiled purposefully to bring gods promises of a new and better covenant to pass
Are you sure that the woman of Rev.12 becomes the harlot of Rev. 17?
There is much in Rev. 12 that makes me think she is the Hebrew early church.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
That would make the chapter a review of the past rather than a prediction of things to come, as it takes us back to the beginning of the New Covenant.
For the main part I agree with Mathew Henry on this chapter.
Clothed with the Sun is like the reference to Jesus in Malachi 4:2 "the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings".
Moon = reflected light of shadows and types, no longer needed when the new covenant "sun" rises, although Mathew Henry did not say that.
12 stars = 12 apostles Dan 12:3.
Dragon = Satan, but his seven heads and ten horns represent Rome, through which Satan operates, and under which Herod serves.
The stars that he casts down to earth represent the angels that serve Satan.
The story begins with some parallels to the time Herod was killing babies, and Mary, Joseph and Jesus are led to Egypt for refuge.
Vs. 7-12 give us an interesting heavenly perspective on the beginning of the Gospel as we read of Satan being cast out of heaven.
then we read of Satan's desperate persecution of the early church.
As this story continues into Ch.13 until Ch. 19 we will hear about the destruction of Jerusalem all over again, but with much more detail.
That was the whole plan in order to bring the Gospel to the Gentile nations (as the second born) like I described to you in a previous post about God/Jesus always using the 2nd born to do his work such as Ishmael & Isaac, Esau & Jacob, etc.. In the Jewish world, the first born ALWAYS received the blessings and inheritance from their fathers. In God/Jesus' world, not so much. He was changing up the order of things.
I was hoping to get your response from your original post on everything in "two" because I didn't understand what you were saying in the last few paragraphs of that post.
The woman in Revelation 12 is the woman represented in Joseph's dream in Genesis 37:9. She represents Israel and it's 12 tribes (12 stars on her head) who gave birth to Jesus and from which the scriptures came.
The harlot in Revelation 17 represents Mystery Babylon. In the Old Testament, Babylon serves as both a literal historical empire and a theological symbol of human rebellion and pride against God.
I find it.....odd (not really) that "some people" are confused about the fact that there is an intentional CONTRAST between the two women.
They try and make them one and the same or make one transition into the other.
Pretty crazy huh?
The manchild in verse 5 - is Jesus Christ and the Church was born out of Israel at Pentecost
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
If you are a Roman Catholic you are taught that the Woman in Revelation 12 is Mary
Unfortunately. I've had many a conversation about this with them on other platforms. They've been taught to look for any and every verse they can to prove that she is the Queen of Heaven.
The seven hills represent the seven heads...
Revelation 17
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Yes and what had seven heads and also seven hills? Rome.
In its time Rome was governed by seven forms of Government
1. Kings
2. Consuls
3. Dictators
4. Decemvirs
5. Military Tribunes
6. Military Emperors
7. Despotic Emperors
5 had fallen in Johns day they were already past
the one is - the 6th form of government that was present in Johns day was the Military Emperors
the not yet come - in Johns day were the 7th form - the despotic Emperors.
The Eighth head was the Papacy that took over the headship of the Roman Empire once the Roman Emperors were out of the way
Nope. That is standard amil and RT fantasy. Easily debunked.
@Revelation1v8 has a good head of steam going. Good for him!
Covenant theology is not about the return of Christ Jesus.
It is the correct and biblical view that all is fulfilled in Christ Jesus.
Covenant theology begins and ends with Christ and all is connected with and to Christ.
The truth is the people of God are defined Christologically not ethnically.... this is repeated over and over again in the NT
The New Testament does not hint at this new reality it actually drives this point right through the heart with a stake of the old covenant boundary markers.
Paul: “Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.”
Ephesians: Christ creates one new man, not two parallel peoples.
Peter: Titles once reserved for Israel now belong to the church.
This is not erasure—it is fulfillment. The olive tree is one, and its life is Christ.
(Pastor Lankford. The Shepherd's Church)
Prior to Scofield and Darby this was the position of many churches in the west and Independent Baptist Churches.
Write some leaflets, go on a speaking tour, accompanied by the new Scofield Commentary, the promise of a fake rapture and there it is, the church is adopting a whole new system.
I am sure WWW III will be great.