Universal Reconciliation

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tribesman

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Yes, they are, your not illiterate, do your own study on the words.

Aionion Life , means Age during

Immortality, means deathlessness
These two terms are certainly related, not contrasted.

He is The Resurrection and The Life, and we are a new Creation in Him.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

So in answer to your second question, to the one who believes, it will be made manifest.
Do you believe in the resurrection of the body or not?
 
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wait isn't christ riased now are we not His body?
 
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Again you post scripture that contradicts your doctrine of universal salvation.

he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die
Shroom what are you talking about?

How does that contradict The salvation of All?

If I were to die in the flesh tomorrow, you would see me no more, but that doesn't mean that I don't
continuously Live.

The Life I possess is not in the flesh, but in The Spirit.
 
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enochson

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Then you're not reading it right.

Every man has free will, and can choose to believe what he wants.
Like I said chapther and verse. Come om if it's true then God would have said
"I haven't giving free will and choose unto man"
 
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Can you expound a little on that?
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
 
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Tombo

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I would still like to clarify. Do you believe that satan and the fallen angels will survive in any form after judgment day? Will they be reconciled to God?
Thanks!!!!

Tom
 

tribesman

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Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
And this you interpret as meaning the resurrection bodies will not be physical?

The resurrected Christ could be seen and touched and He ate food at least four times while visiting His disciples (Luke 24:30; 24:42-43; John 21:12-13; Acts 1:4).
 
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I would still like to clarify. Do you believe that satan and the fallen angels will survive in any form after judgment day? Will they be reconciled to God?
Thanks!!!!

Tom
Tom, The Devil is a slanderer, and the accuser of The Brethren right? If all is Redeemed and Restored
and Renewed, Then their remains no place for the Enemy anymore, he just ceases to be.

The Carnal mind is where the enemy comes from, the old man is the nature that is his food,
now if all are made whole then where is the Accuser, where is the slanderer, where is the son of perdition?

Those of us who dwells in the Heavens, know he has no place anymore. Truth destroys all forms of satan, the devil, and his messengers.
 
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Tombo

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Tom, The Devil is a slanderer, and the accuser of The Brethren right? If all is Redeemed and Restored
and Renewed, Then their remains no place for the Enemy anymore, he just ceases to be.

The Carnal mind is where the enemy comes from, the old man is the nature that is his food,
now if all are made whole then where is the Accuser, where is the slanderer, where is the son of perdition?

Those of us who dwells in the Heavens, know he has no place anymore. Truth destroys all forms of satan, the devil, and his messengers.
It sounds like your saying that satan and the fallen angels aren't real personalites. "The carnal mind is where the enemy comes from"??? I really don't know how you conjure these things up. You so twist the Bible it is beyond belief!!!!

Tom
 
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And this you interpret as meaning the resurrection bodies will not be physical?

The resurrected Christ could be seen and touched and He ate food at least four times while visiting His disciples (Luke 24:30; 24:42-43; John 21:12-13; Acts 1:4).
Yes, so.........What's your point? He had flesh and bone, but not blood.


Psa 78:24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.
Psa 78:25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.
 
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It sounds like your saying that satan and the fallen angels aren't real personalites. "The carnal mind is where the enemy comes from"??? I really don't know how you conjure these things up. You so twist the Bible it is beyond belief!!!!

Tom
Then why do you continue to listen to me?
 
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Tombo

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Then why do you continue to listen to me?
My concern if for other new Christians coming along and hearing such things. It will lead them away from Christ and into confusion or worse.
What you hold to is heretical. I know it's hard to hear that, but it's the truth. And I don't say it to hurt you, but that others might see the evil of this.
I pray that God will open your eyes.
God bless.

Tom
 

tribesman

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Yes, so.........What's your point? He had flesh and bone, but not blood.


Psa 78:24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.
Psa 78:25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.
I wonder what your point is? If you believe in any kind of physical resurrection (bloodless or not) then your statements where you contradict the resurrection with "eternal life" and immortality are quiet confusing. Maybe be a little clearer as to what you believe?
 
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The word your quoting "condemned" is Judged,........Big difference.

Notice it says "Their Part"?

Please pick up a concordance and look at the words in the Greek, they do not mean what our
English words do.
Those that choose not to believe have been judged to take part (be a part of those) in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone - they will take part (be a part of those) in the second death because there shall in no wise enter into it (heaven) any thing that defileth neither whatsoever worketh abomination or maketh a lie. . . . .
To be made alive, is to be "Quickened" do you understand what this word means?

It means to put on immortality.

What do you think? that they are raise in the old flesh body that they had?

Do you understand the difference between Breathe of Life, and The Life of The Holy Spirit?
I have my doubts that you do. Which really saddens me.
syzoopoieo - 1) to make one alive together; a) of Christians, with Christ
I was once dead in sins but upon my belief in Jesus Christ I was born again and I was made alive with Christ spiritually.
zoopoieo - 1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young; 2) to cause to live, make alive, give life a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate; b) to restore to life; c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life; d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life; 3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing
When I was born again, begotten of God's seed - I was forgiven of all sins - that new creation created within me was brought to life (quickened). I have not been talking about the resurrection where this corruptible shall put on incorruption and this mortal shall put on immortality.
 
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My concern if for other new Christians coming along and hearing such things. It will lead them away from Christ and into confusion or worse.
What you hold to is heretical. I know it's hard to hear that, but it's the truth. And I don't say it to hurt you, but that others might see the evil of this.
I pray that God will open your eyes.
God bless.

Tom
Tom, please understand what I am about to say, I have been where you are in your beliefs,
And if it wasn't for The Lord Revealing in me His Son, I would probably not be typing to you right now.

There is so much confusion in those who call themselves Christians, you cannot agree on anything, last I heard there were about 33,000 different denominations.

The Secular Church, is NOT The CHURCH, There is nothing but mass confusion, and it is getting worse.

But for us who by God's Grace brought us out of that system, we give in one accord and one mind, and one spirit witness, that there is NO disunity in our beliefs, NONE. When we don't see things the same, we know, that there is more, so we ask, and it is given.

Jesus was also called a heretic for what He taught. There were very few that believed Him either.

God has put all my doctrines through the fire, and the did not stand, I was raised Pentecost, and have been taught by baptist, and many others, till I was so confused I didn't even know what I believed.
I was disparate To know Him, and Him alone. And that is when He began to teach me, the things you now hear. I know these things are not mainstream, but neither was Christ.

I love you all, but I cannot go back to that chaos of the soul, it is time for the Church of Christ to take a
stand for something. And get it together.

Bless you and your search for Truth, may you find it, this side Jordan
 
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Shroom what are you talking about?

How does that contradict The salvation of All?
You promote universal salvation, but twice now you have posted verses that contradict the doctrine you're trying to promote.

Those who BELIEVE will have eternal life.

If I were to die in the flesh tomorrow, you would see me no more, but that doesn't mean that I don't
continuously Live.

The Life I possess is not in the flesh, but in The Spirit.
If you die before Christ returns, you will be dead. 100% dead. Just as every other person who has died, except Christ. He is the only one risen to eternal life so far. Everyone else is dead, and will remain dead until one of the coming resurrections.
 

tribesman

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I'll be back later.

Blessings
When you can you may want to explain your belief about resurrection. What you have stated so far on it is contradiction.

Do you believe in the resurrection of the body or not?
The flesh body? NO

A New body yes.
The resurrected Christ could be seen and touched and He ate food at least four times while visiting His disciples (Luke 24:30; 24:42-43; John 21:12-13; Acts 1:4).
Yes, so.........What's your point? He had flesh and bone, but not blood.
First you said you do not believe in a resurrection of the flesh body, then you admit that Christ's resurrected body indeed had flesh and bones. Contradiction.